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[Triple.Threat]

if this deluded fraud stays on for another season i would just have to find another passion for that duration.

Hell that would even kill the transfer window excitement. It is that bad.

 

[clarkydaz]

if this deluded fraud stays on for another season i would just have to find another passion for that duration.

Hell that would even kill the transfer window excitement. It is that bad.

Never thought of that, you are right

 

[Scorpy]

When you see De Telegraaf's story:

 

[bucky]

So people actually believe this? After the season we've had? With the money we've spent? I don't. He's gone and anything else would really be surprising.

 

[spwd]

Any option that rids us of LvG is the one I'd go for, he has made us a joyless team to watch.

This by far, I actually turned the game off on Sunday to watch the f1 as i was recording two channels!

But surely winning is the main thing.
Everything else is secondary.

If we were playing like Arsenal or Barca or Buyern then maybe there is a point there but we're not so winning before anything else is the way we should go and it's more likely to happen under Mourinho than any other available manager at the minute, we need to get back to being Utd of old not this new aiming for 4th/we need to lower expectations bs, the only reason we've had to lower our expectations is because we hired two managers that haven't got a clue for various reasons!

The only time where people say "its the taking part that counts" is in schools.
The moment money comes into the equation (ie. professional sport) winning is the most important factor.

Some people seem to be living in the past where we had little close competition in England for the best players and wages etc, now if we don't put it right soon, with the tv money we will have even more competition for the same players etc and even though we will be raking it in with the sponsors, if we're no better than Spurs or Liverpool for instance and we play like shit, why the hell would anyone come here!

No goals in the first half in 2/3rds of our matches at OT. More than 10 matches with less than 2 shots on target. Literally hours and hours of football watched without us actually trying to get the ball into the opposition net.

I watch football to be entertained. Not to gloat about boring teams to 5th spot, or even 4th spot.

LVG's football with United is the worst of any team I've ever seen. It doesn't even have the comic relief of relegation fodder. There's nothing to enjoy. And if you're someone who watches sports for the thrill - what's the point?

At this stage, I'd much rather we played without a manager, lost every match for the rest of the season but at least had a go at playing football. The Moyes season was far, FAR more enjoyable than this, for the 90 minutes each week I dedicate to watching us.

Same here, I've lost so much interest in football, the only thing keeping me interested is either Leicester or Spurs winning the league which would be fantastic for either of them but coming from just outside Leicester obviously it would be great for them and English football if they could do it.

To become a legendary team, you need to win trophies. No ifs. No buts.
If we finish 4th and 5th every year, people won't even remember this in 2 years, let alone in 20 years.
Under Fergie we were always aiming for 1st place.
Under LVG we are always aiming for 4th place.
Winning is the most important factor in ALL professional sports.

Exactly!

They won't Steve. It's turned into the ultimate old boys network. It's like they all turn up on a matchday for a good drink and a meal and a football match breaks out.

Unfortunately this sums it up for me.

Nah the Glazers would get rid of Woodie, SAF, Sir Bobby and Giggs himself it goes tits up and possibly decide its time to take a more active role - which would be disastrous. I think this season is a crossroads, if we feck up again in the summer we are done as a top club. We really need to take serious but correct measures to get the club back on the up, spending millions whilst making idiotic decisions won't cut it for much longer!

But it seems they are happy to do exactly that, the money being lost and wasted by the club from future revenue at the minute due to indecision and stupidity is ridiculous, just to "not be a sacking club".

Yet we wouldn't pay the 5m for the agent to get Hazard for instance, the club is a total fcukup and has been for a while now unfortunately!

 

[golden_blunder]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

 

[gza the genius]

Seems that a lot think if LVG does stay it's so Giggs can be the manager the year after. What exactly is the point of this? Why will Giggs be ready after another year with LVG, what will he gain in that time that he hasn't seen in his 3 years as assistant here now?

 

[Sunny Jim]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

Just fly the fecking banner

 

[Scorpy]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

Agreed.

 

[devilish]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

this.

 

[Dong Fangzhuo]

I absolutely can't take another season of LvG football. I'm already at the point where I don't care one bit if I have to miss a match.

 

[Robbie Boy]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

Spot on. This nonsense from some of our fans that think we are above booing is actually counterproductive.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Agreed.

Spot on. This nonsense from some of our fans that think we are above booing is actually counterproductive.

I totally agree with this, we are no different to any other set of fans. The reluctance to show dissent is, it seems at least, largely driven by self-mythologising, a belief that we are better than other supporters and a desire to be seen as such. This is totally self-defeating in my view, and if Liverpool fans were behaving in this way, we'd ridicule them for it.

That said, I very much doubt the board are basing their future strategy on the atmosphere at Old Trafford. They have eyes; they can see the football is garbage and we are struggling to fulfil the demands of our sponsors. They will (hopefully) know the competition is getting fiercer by the year and, if we fall behind on the pitch, we'll fall behind in the commercial office as well.

 

[ColvaleGoa]

Can somebody start a petition - LvG out. Don't think it will take long to get thousands is signatures and come to the notice of the board?

 

[Wumminator]

I think the behaviour of our home (and more importantly the away) fans do stand us as "better" than the majority of fans. I certainly won't be booing LVG or the team and I don't know of anyone I go with (season ticket holder or those who go once or twice) who would boo either.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I think the behaviour of our home (and more importantly the away) fans do stand us as "better" than the majority of fans. I certainly won't be booing LVG or the team and I don't know of anyone I go with (season ticket holder or those who go once or twice) who would boo either.

Deluded.

 

[Wumminator]

Deluded.

We have the best away support in the leagues. How is that deluded?

 

[Robbie Boy]

We have the best away support in the leagues. How is that deluded?

Are you changing the parameters here? Your post insinuated that our fans are somehow "better" for not booing. That, to me is pathetic. Why not show some dissent towards a manager that has underperformed in his role for nearly two seasons now, despite being given significant funds. Why not let the board know exactly how the fans feel instead of this blind support that LvG gets at Old Trafford.

 

[ZupZup]

I think the behaviour of our home (and more importantly the away) fans do stand us as "better" than the majority of fans. I certainly won't be booing LVG or the team and I don't know of anyone I go with (season ticket holder or those who go once or twice) who would boo either.

I won't be booing either. I think a lot of match-going fans tend to be a bit more pragmatic than most of what you would read on the Caf lately if I'm honest.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I think the behaviour of our home (and more importantly the away) fans do stand us as "better" than the majority of fans. I certainly won't be booing LVG or the team and I don't know of anyone I go with (season ticket holder or those who go once or twice) who would boo either.

A lot of our fans did boo though after the Norwich game, for example. Are you implying they're worse fans than those who did not boo?

 

[sunama]

So, if a fan boos a poor performance, this fan is a bad fan?
And if a fan claps a poor performance he is a good fan?

That's good logic.

 

[Wumminator]

Are you changing the parameters here? Your post insinuated that our fans are somehow "better" for not booing. That, to me is pathetic. Why not show some dissent towards a manager that has underperformed in his role for nearly two seasons now, despite being given significant funds. Why not let the board know exactly how the fans feel instead of this blind support that LvG gets at Old Trafford.

I think he did well enough last year and if he gets top four and an FA cup he can stay again.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I think he did well enough last year and if he gets top four and an FA cup he can stay again.

No, he clearly hasn't done "well enough" or anything like it. If he stays another season, it will a fecking disaster. Although, I personally feel he will stay given the boards incompetence and the support that LvG seems to have from some member/s of the board. So yeah, you might well have your wish granted of LvG being here next season.

 

[prateik]

So, if a fan boos a poor performance, this fan is a bad fan?
And if a fan claps a poor performance he is a good fan?

That's good logic.

When an 18 year old teenager has the guts
To Boo a 64 year old Uncle
This is called The Real Passion!

 

[Wumminator]

No, he clearly hasn't done "well enough" or anything like it. If he stays another season, it will a fecking disaster. Although, I personally feel he will stay given the boards incompetence and the support that LvG seems to have from some member/s of the board. So yeah, you might well have your wish granted of LvG being here next season.

He took us from 7th to 4th last year. That was clearly good enough.

This yeah he faltered. After the Southampton game I would have agreed he had to go. Since then though we've played relatively well. Looking like top 4 is doable.

 

[Adebesi]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

I still think you are being a bit dramatic. As in, I completely understand your nervousness / paranoia about this. But I am confident the board / Woodward are well aware the fans are frustrated. Hence my confidence Van Gaal will move on (by "mutual consent" I imagine) and Mourinho will come in. We dont need to boo to make this happen, IMO, it will happen anyway. And I personally applaud the dignified resilience of our home supporters.

But as you suggested there are other ways to register discontent if you think my attitude is complacent.

Have you signed this?

https://www.change.org/p/manchester...k-louis-van-gaal-from-the-managerial-position

 

[Robbie Boy]

He took us from 7th to 4th last year. That was clearly good enough.

This yeah he faltered. After the Southampton game I would have agreed he had to go. Since then though we've played relatively well. Looking like top 4 is doable.

Took us from 7th to 4th? Oh dear god. You do realise that there is no way we should have finished 7th, right? It's not as if he took over a team like Everton and "took them from 7th to 4th". I would say he got us back into the CL, but we were far from convincing last season and our football was dire, for the best part. A better manager given the funds that he was given / squad he inherited, would have done a far better job, I would imagine. I have given him credit in the past for moving certain players on but now, I'm not so sure as he hasn't really replaced them with genuine quality, again, for the best part.

This season has been an unmitigated disaster. We got knocked out of the CL in the group stages in what was a pretty kind group, got knocked out of the EL by Liverpool after showing no bollocks whatsoever and we currently sit 5th in the league. Not to mention the fact that our football is still horrendous and we have never looked anything like convincing. No, I'm sorry but the man has done an utterly terrible job.

 

[Adebesi]

Praising Van Gaal for taking us from 7th to 4th is a bit like giving an Olympic swimmer a medal for getting into a pool and not drowning.

Admittedly, when you have just seen an Olympic swimmer get into a pool and then seize up with severe cramps, thrash around a bit and then die, live on international television, the thought might cross your mind. But if you think about it rationally, being able to survive in a pool is the least you should expect from an Olympic swimmer. And getting into the top 4 is the least you should expect from us.

 

[bcubed]

This yeah he faltered. After the Southampton game I would have agreed he had to go. Since then though we've played relatively well. Looking like top 4 is doable.

Not sure where you get your glasses or psychotherapy. Apart from two half decent performances (Arsenal and City), we have been way below dire.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Could you imagine if he's allowed to stay on this summer? I wonder what effect the overwhelming apathy now towards the LVG regime could have on ticket sales. Before it was hard for a day tripper like myself to get the odd ticket, now i'm being offered a range of seats by comparisson.

Could you imagine the lack of patience from the fans entering a new season without a change of managment? , the first standard LVG 0-0 performance at Old Trafford could see boo's start to rain down just a few games in. Whereas it took until Christmas this season before we were all collectively pissed off enough to start booing.

 

[Leftback99]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

The timing of Midtjylland and Arsenal wins were crucial. The match going fans were ready to turn at that point. It will happen again once 4th is impossible and reality hits home.

The football hasn't improved, we still barely register any attempts on goal, it's just the results have improved (we could have very easily not won any of City, Watford or Everton). Similar to when we were top of the league, eventually we'll come unstuck because the underlying football isn't good enough.

 

[sunama]

Praising Van Gaal for taking us from 7th to 4th is a bit like giving an Olympic swimmer a medal for getting into a pool and not drowning.

Admittedly, when you have just seen an Olympic swimmer get into a pool and then seize up with severe cramps, thrash around a bit and then die, live on international television, the thought might cross your mind. But if you think about it rationally, being able to survive in a pool is the least you should expect from an Olympic swimmer. And getting into the top 4 is the least you should expect from us.

BRILLIANT!

 

[sunama]

The timing of Midtjylland and Arsenal wins were crucial. The match going fans were ready to turn at that point. It will happen again once 4th is impossible and reality hits home.

The football hasn't improved, we still barely register any attempts on goal, it's just the results have improved (we could have very easily not won any of City, Watford or Everton). Similar to when we were top of the league, eventually we'll come unstuck because the underlying football isn't good enough.

I stated this in many other threads: LVGs target score line is 1-0.
The problem happens when our opponent scores 1 or 2 goals, our players/tactics is unable to accommodate 2 goals.
If DDG had left in the Summer, 1 goal would not get us many (if any) wins and I'd bet that we'd be in the bottom half of the table.

Some people say we don't have any identity right now. I would disagree.
Our identity is:
A team built to score 1 goal then defend that 1 goal.
Boring, risk averse, unexciting.

 

[iKeano]

The thing is, we all moan on forum boards and many people say they aren't spending anymore next season or nit renewing tickets if lvg stays on, but all the board see is the reaction at the matches which is all polite clapping and backslapping lvg well done. Until they actually see the backlash from fans they will continue to live in their little bubble. We should be jamming the switchboards with complaints, or someone delivering a big fat letter to woodie with thousands of signatures and statements from fans. Hell even a but if booing wouldn't go amiss, but hey we don't boo because we think we're above the level of other fans (or something). Inaction will see lvg remain in charge, especially if he flukes 4th spot

Exactly. Gets my goat when he says "The fans are happy"... no Luis... No. Walking off past the "friends & family" section is safe.
The idiotic, moral high-horse riding fans that clap anything because "We're Utd" are doing us more harm than good.
All the board see are rising commercial revenue thanks to Woody and his Japanese Tractor partnerships 7 idiotic smiling faces at OT. Unless they see some venom int he crowd they're oblivious to it all. It's not like they log in here and read this, or even give a single hoot about anything any of the fans have to say. Until the public perception changes, the internal satisfaction will remain. Those money-blinded fools can't even see that the revenue will drop if the football continues down this rancid route.

God damn I hate Van Gaal.

 

[NK86]

I won't be booing either. I think a lot of match-going fans tend to be a bit more pragmatic than most of what you would read on the Caf lately if I'm honest.

Help me out here. What do you mean when you mention the word "pragmatic" in this context?

 

[ZupZup]

Help me out here. What do you mean when you mention the word "pragmatic" in this context?

I reckon you know what pragmatic means... no?

 

[Raoul]

Praising Van Gaal for taking us from 7th to 4th is a bit like giving an Olympic swimmer a medal for getting into a pool and not drowning.

Admittedly, when you have just seen an Olympic swimmer get into a pool and then seize up with severe cramps, thrash around a bit and then die, live on international television, the thought might cross your mind. But if you think about it rationally, being able to survive in a pool is the least you should expect from an Olympic swimmer. And getting into the top 4 is the least you should expect from us.

 

[K2K]

If he survives to next season, then He will be like Rodgers where any poor results and the fans will be on his back. Even in the first 10 games of the season. He has little if any goodwill left with most of the fans, and a lot of us believe that he should have been fired ages ago.

Its been very hard seeing him being our manager for the last few months. Through all the embarrassing results, the woeful football and the excuses and arrogance. The only thing that has given me hope is that we couldn't possibly be stupid enough to give him another season, but there is always that bit of doubt in your mind. I think our board is run by people with their own self interests in mind, and saving face by not having to fire another manager within 3 years of Sir Alex's retirement could be a significant factor in seeing him surviving.

We are not a very ambitious club. I think we are generally content with where we are, and our decision making over these last few years attests to that. We talk a good game, but financially we are meeting our goals , and I generally believe that is the most important thing.

As for next season, I can see this being the first time when Woodward gets a proper wake up call about our relative attractiveness. As a world class talent, the only reason I would consider joining United is the money, and only if it is substantially better than others. City have the lure of the best manager in the world, Chelsea have London and finances, and we play dire football, do not have great players to attract other talents, and likely to have no Champions league football.

 

[mark_a]

I stated this in many other threads: LVGs target score line is 1-0.
The problem happens when our opponent scores 1 or 2 goals, our players/tactics is unable to accommodate 2 goals.
If DDG had left in the Summer, 1 goal would not get us many (if any) wins and I'd bet that we'd be in the bottom half of the table.

Some people say we don't have any identity right now. I would disagree.
Our identity is:
A team built to score 1 goal then defend that 1 goal.
Boring, risk averse, unexciting.

I've heard talk in various places about our not-conceding (admittedly some on 5 Live), but that's down to DDG!

I totally agree with you that without him pulling off saves other keepers might not, we'd be in a much worse place. He's totally flattering the back 4!

 

[JohnnyKills]

If he survives to next season, then He will be like Rodgers where any poor results and the fans will be on his back. Even in the first 10 games of the season. He has little if any goodwill left with most of the fans, and a lot of us believe that he should have been fired ages ago.

Its been very hard seeing him being our manager for the last few months. Through all the embarrassing results, the woeful football and the excuses and arrogance. The only thing that has given me hope is that we couldn't possibly be stupid enough to give him another season, but there is always that bit of doubt in your mind. I think our board is run by people with their own self interests in mind, and saving face by not having to fire another manager within 3 years of Sir Alex's retirement could be a significant factor in seeing him surviving.

We are not a very ambitious club. I think we are generally content with where we are, and our decision making over these last few years attests to that. We talk a good game, but financially we are meeting our goals , and I generally believe that is the most important thing.

As for next season, I can see this being the first time when Woodward gets a proper wake up call about our relative attractiveness. As a world class talent, the only reason I would consider joining United is the money, and only if it is substantially better than others. City have the lure of the best manager in the world, Chelsea have London and finances, and we play dire football, do not have great players to attract other talents, and likely to have no Champions league football.

Yeah the first point is a very good one, and one that has been overlooked. If LVG stays, the atmosphere will be mutinous from the first game of next season and the fans will turn at the first sign of trouble. A lot of fans who are reticent about booing now would be far more openly hostile if they found LVG was continuing for another year. You might even see direct action outside the ground. It would be extremely hard for LVG to deliver results in such an atmosphere.

Not sure about the rest of your post though. Well, at least I hope it's not true.