Loyalty can only be pushed so far mate.
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Loyalty can only be pushed so far mate.
He really should have done that. But again, my personal feeling is that he doesn't care about having a career as a manager - he only cares about being Man Utd manager - that's the difference. That's of course my take on it.
With the exception of March 2015 and September 2015, the whole thing has been a disastrous and, at times, an embarrassing experience altogether
That is exactly it. It is about him. Of course he should realise he could be a Manchester United manager on the level of Wilf McGuiness, where he likely thinks he is the next Busby/SAF.
From SAF & co pushing the claims of a thoroughly inexperienced Giggs; to Giggs doing an opportunistic sit-in at United; to Woodward and van Gaal putting their jobs before the club; when the hell are our leaders going to place the club's interests first?
Exactly. You need to have big balls for the United job - the pressure is immense. If he's afraid of taking on lesser clubs with much less pressure - how on earth is he going to cope at United? I blame the people encouraging this delusion. Giggs has no experience out of United and no self awareness it seems, otherwise he would apply some common sense and see it can't work the way he's going about things.
I just cannot get my head round this at all.
This is like Conte getting sacked and Chelsea replacing him with John Terry.
The difference is it wouldn't happen at Chelsea as Abramovich isn't so bloody stupid.
If the LVG staying rumours are true and the club are seriously going to appoint Giggs as his successor then I just give up.
Let's see if his mates have the courage to criticise him if things start going wrong, or will it be like with Rooney, excuse after excuse?
That's what I would like to know. It seems it's all self interest - no one gives a feck about the club. That's why I believe the only thing left for fans to do is to stop spending money with them and make a big deal about not doing so on social media or wherever. A few panicking sponsors will wake them up.
His mate Andy Mitten wrote a big piece recently saying he should get the job....
His reasons? "He gets United" "He feels he is ready" "He's United through and through"
I am still waiting for someone to give me one single practical reason in support of him getting the job. I've been waiting since May 2014
There will be - 'you have to give him time'. All the media will be saying this and trying to brainwash the fans. I hope to God our fans don't give them the response they want.
They won't Steve. It's turned into the ultimate old boys network. It's like they all turn up on a matchday for a good drink and a meal and a football match breaks out.
Manchester United should be appointing world class coaches not rookies. The whole club is being run dreadfully.
Maybe our chief executive needs to grow some balls and tell the likes of SAF and Sir Bobby to mind there own business. Ultimately it will be his balls on the chopping block if another managerial appointment goes tits up!
We are all still waiting to hear what the hell that actually means. Absolute codswallop.
But this is it! Not one of his mates ever point out one single managerial quality that he has. Not one. I hate to say it, but seems everyone (incl our 'legends') are all about their own interests. Not one of them really cares about the club it seems. Just us fans.
I blame the cnut who whispered in Giggs' ear that the United job was his to just 'inherit'. Did him no favours at all and probably killed his managerial career before it started, even if he gets the job the way his backers have gone about promoting him and the Van Gaal mess have made the job doubly difficult and certainly reduced the goodwill that he could have counted on had he actually earned the job. Now if he gets it in this manner he will get the same treatment to the last guy who got it on nepitistic basis - the Moyes treatment which will be heartbreaking.
You see it might work, but my god if it doesn't the fallout will be absolutely spectacular and United reputation will be in tatters. They are risking everything on a dream.
SAF IMO is the greatest football manager of all time, but I really wish he would just cut all official ties with the club. If he still wants to be the one making the decisions etc, he should never have retired!
Agree with you Gareth. Woody needs to grow a pair. Why is he afraid of upsetting the two Sirs? What can they do? SAF might drag his arse in the media - but that's been happening anyway without SAF input, so what's the worse they can do?
If he doesn't grow a pair, he's going to be a laughing stock as a CEO.
I have said before, that if Giggs lands the job, I will be expecting us to win trophies in his first season, no settling in period. He will have had four year of settling in. As you say the pressure will be intense on him and his family and of course all his off the field antics will be dragged up by the press here and abroad, if we are in europe of course.
The sad thing is, I don't believe it will work at all. He just doesn't have it. I don't mind being proven wrong, but I'm almost sure it will be the disaster that we anticipate, and the club will have to start all over again. Unfortunately, we'll face hell trying to get back in this competitive league.
When you think about it this whole Giggs as manager plan didn't even exist a few years back. They handed Moyes a six year contract for Christ sake.
I just don't understand any of this. And to think that if this is happening we'll have another season of the Dutch fraud to endure first
I'd love to hear Giggs' plans, both tactically and his strategy for the club going forward...
Wonder how quick Sir Alex will be to throw Giggs under the bus and that it had nothing to do with him if it goes wrong. The amount of times the buck will be passed it will make it dizzy.When you think about it this whole Giggs as manager plan didn't even exist a few years back. They handed Moyes a six year contract for Christ sake.
I just don't understand any of this. And to think that if this is happening we'll have another season of the Dutch fraud to endure first
Neville just shown that cronyism will not work. Got the job not on ability, but through his 'contact' and 'business partner', and we see the result. Now imagine the absolute carnage with Giggs managing and United being 10 times more of a pressure cooker, and him being without an ounce of experience, or even a bit of charisma to help him out some?
There's a tradition in Brit football of unjustly rewarding time-servers rather than the true talent. The Giggs-as-United-manager thing is similar to when laughing-stock Heskey ended up as a full, regular England player just because he'd paid his dues through the u-16 to u-21 ranks.
No one has taken Mitten seriously for about 3 years. Anyone on here could offer the "Insight" he does.
It'd be an insane decision to give an ex player the job without experience elsewhere as it is.
But a guy who's played a key role in the last 2 underachieving regimes? That'd be even sillier.
And if Mourinho comes in, he surely won't want "the next manager" Giggs hanging around.
Meaning Giggs is in an impossible position. if he'd settled for a lower role here he could have had a role for life. But it's beyond that now, meaning he'll most likely have to look elsewhere, which would obviously be a huge upset to him.
And what would it take as success to qualify to manage us one day?
You say that about Heskey, but alongside the periods he was a national joke, there were also times he was a very key part of it, and was spoken of highly by the top striker in the team like Owen.
Doubt he has one mate
True but even then he was hardly Peter Bearsdley, was he?
When you think how players like Le Tissier and Hoddle were treated, they would have been cherished by other countries, here they are a luxury and as you say donkeys are rewarded.
Buy the players with the best birds.Doubt he has one mate
Do what Simeone has. If he has the talent as he believes, and the desire to succeed as a manager - and not just dreaming of being United manager - then it won't matter where he goes. As long as you're good - there will always be opportunities. He's also young (at least in my estimation!) - he has time to build his managerial career. I honestly am at a loss as to why he doesn't have any desire to take a logical route with much less pressure.
But that's still a hell of a lot more than you will ever know about him though.
OK pal. Feel better?
And even worse, if we do promote Giggs, and then go into a serious decline - worse than so far - the club will probably not want to lose face by sacking him, and we'll be told to be patient whilst we're visiting Carlisle and Milton Keynes, and eventually Eastleigh.
Nah the Glazers would get rid of Woodie, SAF, Sir Bobby and Giggs himself it goes tits up and possibly decide its time to take a more active role - which would be disastrous. I think this season is a crossroads, if we feck up again in the summer we are done as a top club. We really need to take serious but correct measures to get the club back on the up, spending millions whilst making idiotic decisions won't cut it for much longer!
Don't blame you at all. It's one thing to see a team struggle and to go through hard times with them, but when it's purposely self-inflicted and could be addressd at any time, then you do tend to feel a bit let down and the only way that they will be affected is if fans start to hit them where it hurts. The wallet.
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