Thinking about LVG for next year makes me physically ill.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Our image is in tatters, we play the worst football in the league with a manager who comes off like a clueless loon most of the time, and we are a laughing stock that is still keeping him employed when any other team that makes the boasts we do about being "the biggest club in the world" would have gotten shot of his ass months ago.
It's a horrible thought. I just don't think I can watch another season of dull as dishwater football and simultaneously see us going down the pan.
I do think he's staying, but I'm desperate to be wrong!
I do think he's staying, but I'm desperate to be wrong!
Actually, by image I mean the controversies. Our image is not that high because we bore everyone. Mou wont change that. And this sort of image is recoverable. Look at Arsenal from "1-0 to the arsenal" to the team that plays the most entertaining football.
Under Mou, the controversies that will come to light would be "player revolt" " Staff revolt" " assault on rival manager" "Abuse of rival manager".. Thats way worse than anything right now!
Trust me, he isnt staying. There is just no way.
Im sure Ed has sponsors up his ass for us being out of the champions league 2 out of 3 years. It is unacceptable on every level.
Your posts are just tiresome at this point, we get it... you hate Jose.
Nothing is worse than right now, what the f is wrong with you.
To become a legendary team, you need to win trophies. No ifs. No buts.
If we finish 4th and 5th every year, people won't even remember this in 2 years, let alone in 20 years.
Under Fergie we were always aiming for 1st place.
Under LVG we are always aiming for 4th place.
Winning is the most important factor in ALL professional sports.
I'd love to score 73 goals in 1 season.
Right now, we are on course to finish on about 50 goals.
No it's not worse, we need some damn fight back in the club, and under Fergie we were hardly a bastion of goodwill from anyone, he was a bully and everyone knew it and we had players karate kicking fans, deliberately breaking another players leg, shagging hookers while his wife was pregnant and another having a decade long affair with his brothers wife. The club's idea that it has some shiny image is fallacy..
We are on 39 now, with what, 6 games to go?
So we have to score 2 per game to hit 50. Not gonna happen imho
We have Villa don't we? No it isn't going to happen.
we'll manage to scrape a 1-0 win.
Guys...ive read somewhere that the idiot is staying and wi be handed 100 mil to rebuild...the telegraph is reporting this
I'm not that close but I'm getting nearer to the bit where I would gladly finish well out the top 4 this season and lose to West Ham in the replay. In doing so, I'd inevitably be wanting the opposition to win. I cannot accept this guy staying another season, he has ruined something that I used to enjoy and look forward to most days. He's made watching and supporting us a chore.
100m euros. That cannot be right. He will never be able to strengthen the side with so little. It's rumoured Everton will be spending more than that and likely recouping a pile more as well. It just doesn't add up.
Same here.
Yeah, fair point. I am not saying and have never said LVG shouldn't be sacked, but getting Mou is just replacing a bad manager with a slightly better manager. I'd rather wait 2-3-5 years and become champions that everyone remembers than win the league next year and not be remembered.
Sure, Mou will aim for 1st and there is a good chance he would get it, but thats based on history! Historically he has also been involved in equally poor football, never gave chances to youth,etc. Historically even LVG was a winner, and it would be interesting to bring up the posts of people when LVG was hired, because although I hadn't joined the caf then, I'm pretty certain that the reasoning why he'd be a success here would have been on similar lines.
Its basically a trade off between what you want more- Victory or identity. For me, I'd retain identity.
Fergie was a press conference genius who would play mind games with managers without actually abusing them. That is an acceptable thing and it adds to the intensity of competition. The remaining examples are basically things that are player related. You can't stop those as its tough to vet a player's personal life, but if you dont try to stop an impending disaster in this area, that's not a very smart thing
Not the English Telegraph, the Dutch one.
The point still stands because this makes no difference in the context of what was said. They (Chelsea) still finished 2nd in terms of the goals scored, narrowly surpassing Arsenal who ended up 3rd on the column - still streets ahead of where we will end up at the end of the season (by a margin of close to a couple dozen is my guess). Plus, there's a need to assess what they were doing in relation with the rest of the league. One might argue that Mourinho's Chelsea didn't score that many goals in the mid 2000s (especially against the big opposition) in no small part due to the period, which was closely associated with the tactical peak of the Premier League; and managers like himself, Fergie, Wenger, Benítez who fueled English dominance on the continental scene - with clubs regularly reaching European Cup finals, and semi-finals in a loosely defined half decade window.
And wrt União de Leiria, they were were in no way expected to finish atop the goals column ahead of the likes of Benfica, Porto and Sporting CP just going by aggregate evidence, and Mourinho wasn't just going to turn up and buckle that trend over a few months. Just like you make the point about a Ronaldo inflating his numbers at Real (this is a dodgy point too mind, because almost every big manager has a player who elevates the attacking output) - we must also consider União's strength of personnel (or lack thereof, when compared with some of the better Portuguese clubs).
He's done, even Moyes was promised a warchest which led him to stagger around Europe, dick in hand, on scouting missions a few weeks before he got the shock of life.
Phew....cheers
Don't we still have Villa at home to come?!
That match alone should be enough to get us to 50
Cant say more cause I'll get banned..
But a very good source who you'd probably all know has said behind a paywall that the Mourinho thing is a media/fan invention and isn't happening.
So, excited for another 13 months of LvG?
But a very good source who you'd probably all know has said behind a paywall that the Mourinho thing is a media/fan invention and isn't happening.
So, excited for another 13 months of LvG?
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The dutch one is more reliable at least on Van Gaal stories they were first on reporting LVG is taking over United....
Feck:/ i want him gone so much
So they have a source in the LVG camp but I doubt even LVG himself knows much about his future as things stand. Woodie might be a tool but even he knows better than to tell LVG he's done whilst he is still useful.
Seriously, I won't be spending another penny on anything United if LVG stays and we have another season like this only to be followed by Giggs. I know my not spending money will have no effect on United's balance sheet. But I hope a lot more fans do likewise - it's the only way the club will get a clue. If we keep handing over our money - in whatever way - they won't give a shit.
Withhold the money, and see how quickly they get themselves in order. Simple. Those on twitter, spread the word.
Cant say more cause I'll get banned..
But a very good source who you'd probably all know has said behind a paywall that the Mourinho thing is a media/fan invention and isn't happening.
So, excited for another 13 months of LvG?
There was a guy on Paddy Crerand's phone in (might have been called Ken) who hit the nail on the head, completely. He's 72, and said he's never watched such dire football from United. He's right. Entertainment and good football has been sadly lacking.
It bothers me that good results will cover up the cracks and might mean another year of LVG's philosophy.
Someone else said that LVG had been brought here to prepare Giggs for the manager's job...he stated this as a fact, not as supposition. Have I missed something? Has it actually been said officially that Giggs is being groomed? There's probably a joke in there, except it's not a funny situation. The idea of Giggs becoming manager is more terrifying than the prospect of Donald Trump becoming POTUS.
It bothers me that good results will cover up the cracks and might mean another year of LVG's philosophy.
Someone else said that LVG had been brought here to prepare Giggs for the manager's job...he stated this as a fact, not as supposition. Have I missed something? Has it actually been said officially that Giggs is being groomed? There's probably a joke in there, except it's not a funny situation. The idea of Giggs becoming manager is more terrifying than the prospect of Donald Trump becoming POTUS.
Hearing Pep saying that a treble is a must for the Bayern fans!
Well that is the most stupid plan ever. Giggs will never learn what the job is all about unless he goes out and does it for a sustained period of time. Sitting around and watching LVG is not the way to prepare for being a manager much less United manager in this very competitive league. All these great managers would chew him up and spit him out.
Whoever agreed to that kind of madness needs their heads examined.
Well seeing that happen will certainly add some entertainment in the future. Not the right sort, but at least some. We can see how dopey he looks on the touchline.
Same. For what it's worth I fully expect him here next season. I've decided that if he is here next season I won't be investing anymore money in the club until his gone so won't be going to Old Trafford next season if need be. And before any T0p reds want to try and criticise me, I've been going to games since 1990 and have finally had enough of being treat like crap.
Good for you Joaquin. Keep that money in your pocket. The club would be treating the fans with contempt if they insist on carrying on like this. It doesn't make you a 'bad' fan. The board won't listen any other way.
i understand the sentiment behind craving entertainment of any sort, but i'd hate to see that to giggs (even if he perhaps deserves it in a karma-related sense!). his appointment would just be wrong on so many levels.
I haven't been a season ticket holder for as long but I'm even debating whether or not to renew next season. I've had enough. It's not just the fact we are crap but the fact no one at the club is making the decisions to change it and expecting us fans (who yes, we have very high expectations) to just put up with it.
Cant say more cause I'll get banned..
But a very good source who you'd probably all know has said behind a paywall that the Mourinho thing is a media/fan invention and isn't happening.
So, excited for another 13 months of LvG?
Why hasn't the club come out and denied it then? One statement from the club months ago would have stopped all this speculation dead.
The funny thing is, if Giggs had fecked off when Fergie retired he'd now have 3 years of managerial experience behind him.
That's a very rose tinted view to have of Fergie's conduct mate, I doubt many who had to deal with him would agree at all.
He's too terrified to leave in case he fails, in which case should be good enough reason not to give him the job. He will have been promised the job down the line. He is like some overindulged child.
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