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Dobbs said:
I know you're not going to answer it, stumped by your own silly logic.

If you think Rooney is the 5th best striker in the league you must be dreaming. Right now Rashford looks better.
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So you're one of these form fanboys. You didnt ask who is in form, you just stated you would consider Benteke (really? he is far from in form either) and Berahino are better forwards. Not sure where you're going with it but it is a bizarre argument. You then brought in Danny Rose..

You seem to forget Rooney is close to being our all time top scorer and has broke record after record at the club.
 
I know people are saying City had their problems even before the Guardiola announcement but I cant help but feel the fact that their manager is now a "lame duck" has contributed to their recent woes, which have definitely accelerated in recent months. I have at times worried that the uncertainty around Van Gaal's position at our club is also contributing to our inconsistency, but we dont seem to be in quite as bad a state as City. You can easily make the case that this vindicates Woodward's decision to keep our own negotiations quiet, and allow Van Gaal to continue with at least a shred of his authority intact.
 
TheReligion said:
So you're one of these form fanboys. You didnt ask who is in form, you just stated you would consider Benteke (really? he is far from in form either) and Berahino are better forwards. Not sure where you're going with it but it is a bizarre argument. You then brought in Danny Rose..

You seem to forget Rooney is close to being our all time top scorer and has broke record after record at the club.
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Your argument is all over the place. I'm a form fanboy(whatever that is)? I've been arguing against that during this discussion. I just said player X is better than Rooney. It was you who brought form and fitness onto it.

Benteke has been poor this season, hasn't been picked. Still scored the same number of league goals as Rooney in much less minutes.

I'll leave it there as this has gone off topic and turned into a Rooney debate.
 
Dobbs said:
Your argument is all over the place. I'm a form fanboy(whatever that is)? I've been arguing against that during this discussion. I just said player X is better than Rooney. It was you who brought form and fitness onto it.

Benteke has been poor this season, hasn't been picked. Still scored the same number of league goals as Rooney in much less minutes.

I'll leave it there as this has gone off topic and turned into a Rooney debate.
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This makes it even worse. So you're saying a red up Benteke, Berahino and Rashford are better than a red up Wayne Rooney? :lol:

Rooney has had a poor season and has been injured and has the same goals as Benteke, whats your point.
 
TheReligion said:
This makes it even worse. So you're saying a red up Benteke, Berahino and Rashford are better than a red up Wayne Rooney? :lol:

Rooney has had a poor season and has been injured and has the same goals as Benteke, whats your point.
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Red up?

Look I've been here before many times. You're obviously a Rooney fan. Fair enough but debating with a Rooney fan is like debating with a Scientologist. Not something I really want to do.
 
Dobbs said:
Red up?

Look I've been here before many times. You're obviously a Rooney fan. Fair enough but debating with a Rooney fan is like debating with a Scientologist. Not something I really want to do.
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I am a Rooney fan am I? How do you work that out?

I am pretty sure if you did a world wide poll an in form Rooney would come out on top over in form Berahino, Benteke and Rashford.

Are you really arguing otherwise??

PS by not understanding the "red up" terminology you already lost my universal football respect. Google is your friend!
 
TheReligion said:
I am a Rooney fan am I? How do you work that out?

I am pretty sure if you did a world wide poll an in form Rooney would come out on top over in form Berahino, Benteke and Rashford.

Are you really arguing otherwise??

PS by not understanding the "red up" terminology you already lost my universal football respect. Google is your friend!
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English is my friend pal.
 
If we come top 4 I think he will leave quietly after a conversation with Ed.
 
Adisa said:
If we come top 4 I think he will leave quietly after a conversation with Ed.
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He really won't though. In his proudly, warped mind he'll see it as sufficient progress because we put a few youngsters in the frame this year, made the F.A. cup quarter final and went one round further in the carling cup. You could throw in the fact we made round 16 of the Europa League where as we weren't in Europe last year. In his mind hes doing a sterling job because English football and the Europa league are too FANTASTIC competitions full of FANTASTIC teams so it's no shame in underperforming
 
Stacks said:
He really won't though. In his proudly, warped mind he'll see it as sufficient progress because we put a few youngsters in the frame this year, made the F.A. cup quarter final and went one round further in the carling cup. You could throw in the fact we made round 16 of the Europa League where as we weren't in Europe last year. In his mind hes doing a sterling job because English football and the Europa league are too FANTASTIC competitions full of FANTASTIC teams so it's no shame in underperforming
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He has hinted on many occasions that he might not stay for a third year. I have no doubt that if Ed says we need new ideas, he will leave without much fuss. It will be painted as a mutual decision.
 
TheReligion said:
I am a Rooney fan am I? How do you work that out?

I am pretty sure if you did a world wide poll an in form Rooney would come out on top over in form Berahino, Benteke and Rashford.

Are you really arguing otherwise??

PS by not understanding the "red up" terminology you already lost my universal football respect. Google is your friend!
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And? when was the last time Rooney in form? I think sad reality rooney's peak cycle looks to be over, no question the frontline needs improving, but I would take rashford over a current fit rooney, because the former is scoring goals, the latter looks to be past his best. Would the current rooney score a goal like rashford done against city? rashford has given united something they are missing upfront, pace, movement and ability to trouble defenders with the ball at his feet
 
cold-zebra said:
Nah, the rules changed after Everton/Liverpool debacle. Meaning we wouldn't qualify. Hence Spurs not qualifying when Chelsea won the Champions League a few years back.
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The rules changed again last year, hence Spain having five teams in the CL this season.
 
I don't worry that some have forgotten how shit he is, we'll fall on our face again versus WHU and we're back on track with our shite season.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
The rules changed again last year, hence Spain having five teams in the CL this season.
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Ah ok, wasn't aware of that.

Just read up and it'd seem if we finish 4th, City win the Champions League and Liverpool win the Europa League (with neither of them finishing top 4) then we'll be pushed into the EL. Can't see it happening but I may never put my head out the door again if it did.
 
So...we are OK with settling for mediocrity? We beat a terrible City team, not Barcelona.
 
The specific scenario mentioned above isn't dealt with in the rules - which is natural enough, since there isn't anything exceptional about it: As long as the CL winner finishes in the top four, the extra spot (introduced recently) isn't needed. And the same applies to the EL winner (but the latter is, of course, much likelier to finish outside the top four - and so you get the situation we've had this season with the Spanish teams).
 
Chesterlestreet said:
The specific scenario mentioned above isn't dealt with in the rules - which is natural enough, since there isn't anything exceptional about it: As long as the CL winner finishes in the top four, the extra spot (introduced recently) isn't needed. And the same applies to the EL winner (but the latter is, of course, much likelier to finish outside the top four - and so you get the situation we've had this season with the Spanish teams).
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• Regarding the top three associations (i.e. Spain, Germany and England*): if two clubs from one of these countries win the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League, and neither finish their domestic league in a position that qualifies them for the UEFA Champions League, the following will happen:

– The club that won the UEFA Champions League will go straight into the group stage
– The UEFA Europa League winners will go into the UEFA Champions League play-offs
– The club that had qualified for a UEFA Champions League play-off spot via their domestic league competition (i.e. finished fourth) will transfer into the UEFA Europa League
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http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2215121.html
 
LARulz said:
That's my worry, I'm very conflicted. I want top 4 but I need some sort of guarantee he won't be in charge next season because he will not improve us. I genuinely think if we get top 4 he should resign, he honestly won't do better next season than that. He leaves with his head held high and we all move on.
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This is my concern as well, it's hard to fully enjoy anythig without knowig for certain he'll be gone in the summer regardless, sneaking 4th place isn't worth it if it means this clown stays for another season.
 
The most annoying thing about this year has been LVGs persistence with playing people out of position and people who clearly aren't good enough when there are alternatives out there.
Yesterday, square pegs in square holes and bingo we look semi-decent.
Fellaini not on the pitch and we look a little more mobile in midfield meaning Carrick doesn't get isolated. Mata playing at #10 instead of on the right wing. Its not fecking rocket science and yet I get the feeling he stumbles onto these things rather than plans them. Almost as if he's trying to prove how much of a genius he is by mixing things up.
"Football is a simple game, complicated by idiots". So true.
 
Devil may care said:
This is my concern as well, it's hard to fully enjoy anythig without knowig for certain he'll be gone in the summer regardless, sneaking 4th place isn't worth it if it means this clown stays for another season.
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This is how I feel to, I would love for us to finish in the Top 4. But if it keeps Van Gaal in the job for us to be as poor again next season after wasting more money then it might not be the worst thing to happen to us to finish out of it for a year (granted Jose Mourinho is coming in of course).
 
golden_blunder said:
But it would make us all feel better
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Its inevitable at the end of the season. And makes more sense to do that than now with 8 games left. The short term salvation is to get that top 4 and best chance of that is to just stick with what we have. An assurance from Van Gaal that he is going to leave will probably the best outcome but I don't see that happening. I would be surprised if he stays on even if he gets top 4 and FA cup just because he is old and not going to be long term anyway. The only stupid way he stays on is if the board is convinced about Giggs taking over after another year under him.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
This is how I feel to, I would love for us to finish in the Top 4. But if it keeps Van Gaal in the job for us to be as poor again next season after wasting more money then it might not be the worst thing to happen to us to finish out of it for a year (granted Jose Mourinho is coming in of course).
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It would be nice to go into the last 8 games knowing we were aiming to get top 4 with confirmation that the reigns will be handed to Mourinho in the summer, that would feel like were genuinely heading in the right direction.
 
Oneunited26 said:
And? when was the last time Rooney in form? I think sad reality rooney's peak cycle looks to be over, no question the frontline needs improving, but I would take rashford over a current fit rooney, because the former is scoring goals, the latter looks to be past his best. Would the current rooney score a goal like rashford done against city? rashford has given united something they are missing upfront, pace, movement and ability to trouble defenders with the ball at his feet
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I am not arguing otherwise.

@Dobbs was saying a fully fit and on form Wayne Rooney is not as good as a fully fit and on form Rashford/Benteke/Berahino - I disagree.
 
TheReligion said:
I am not arguing otherwise.

@Dobbs was saying a fully fit and on form Wayne Rooney is not as good as a fully fit and on form Rashford/Benteke/Berahino - I disagree.
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That is hard to say because we don't know rashfords full potiential, his inconsistency, but the irony? Rooney has been inconsistent his whole career, rashfords he could go on to be one hell of striker when you see what quality he has got, he has pace Rooney does not, and that is one weapon that cannot be denied, and he used it that hurts defenders
 
TheReligion said:
I am not arguing otherwise.

@Dobbs was saying a fully fit and on form Wayne Rooney is not as good as a fully fit and on form Rashford/Benteke/Berahino - I disagree.
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No it was yourself who inserted the fitness and form clauses. I just said they were better players.
 
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Moonred said:
Its inevitable at the end of the season. And makes more sense to do that than now with 8 games left. The short term salvation is to get that top 4 and best chance of that is to just stick with what we have. An assurance from Van Gaal that he is going to leave will probably the best outcome but I don't see that happening. I would be surprised if he stays on even if he gets top 4 and FA cup just because he is old and not going to be long term anyway. The only stupid way he stays on is if the board is convinced about Giggs taking over after another year under him.
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VG is like a manager that stumbles across starting 11's, its almost by luck

Here is a VG and Woodward right here, while the rest of us are like frank grimes, just baffled by the guys logic and the people running the place lol

 
TheReligion said:
I am really not sure how you're judging the players then to be honest.
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You're massively overcomplicating the rating of one player over another.

This is a Rooney debate though so I expect some sort of weird criteria. In this instance you've decided we can only consider form and fitness. That way you can say Rooney is better than Sturridge. As you say above you can't comprehend what else I'd take into account.

How about ability, touch, speed, strength, age?

LvG has left himself short of players who have the above hence our position. That's why I still maintain despite all the talk of tactics and style it's his performance in the transfer market that's cost us.
 
Oneunited26 said:
That is hard to say because we don't know rashfords full potiential, his inconsistency, but the irony? Rooney has been inconsistent his whole career, rashfords he could go on to be one hell of striker when you see what quality he has got, he has pace Rooney does not, and that is one weapon that cannot be denied, and he used it that hurts defenders
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Dude, at this point in time, I'd love to see the back of Rooney.
But in his prime, Rooney was dynamite. You can't say that he has been inconsistent his whole career.
And with regards to Rooney's pace: in his time he was plenty fast. When he was 18 years old the guy was like a tornado. His first CL game for us he scored a hat-trick.
in 2015 Rooney was Championship quality, but in the past he was a awesome.

In any case, I don't want to go off topic. LVG OUT!!!
 
Dobbs said:
You're massively overcomplicating the rating of one player over another.

This is a Rooney debate though so I expect some sort of weird criteria. In this instance you've decided we can only consider form and fitness. That way you can say Rooney is better than Sturridge. As you say above you can't comprehend what else I'd take into account.

How about ability, touch, speed, strength, age?

LvG has left himself short of players who have the above hence our position. That's why I still maintain despite all the talk of tactics and style it's his performance in the transfer market that's cost us.
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You're over complicating things.

Rooney is 30 years old FFS. He's a better player then Benteke, Berahino and Rashford. Is that clear enough for you?

My point with Sturridge was he hardly plays. He's on Rooney level though.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Scraping Top 4 in a year when Leicester look likely to win the league should not buy LVG a stay of execution, it's as simple as that unless we want to become like Arsenal.
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I won't be surprised if we make an announcement regarding our managerial situation soon. With the friendlies coming up, it isn't the worst timing to run the media gauntlet.
 
entropy said:
I won't be surprised if we make an announcement regarding our managerial situation soon. With the friendlies coming up, it isn't the worst timing to run the media gauntlet.
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We've said nothing about it for long enough though. Why not wait till the end of season seeing how the circumstantial evidence pile is pretty damn impressive?
 
LeftyBlaster said:
We've said nothing about it for long enough though. Why not wait till the end of season seeing how the circumstantial evidence pile is pretty damn impressive?
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Because the last 2 managers started late and it would be foolish to repeat the same and not look for ways to start preparing for next season early.
 
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