Does that mean if City win CL and finish 4th, 5th is the new 4th? Or does England only have 3 spots in that case?
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Does that mean if City win CL and finish 4th, 5th is the new 4th? Or does England only have 3 spots in that case?
It's such a difficult situation to be in
I want top 4, but I don't really want him in charge next season.
In his defence though, without the injuries, where would we be?
Why would he? Barely scraping top 4 shouldn't be a reason for him to stay.
I don't think our injuries have been that out of the ordinary either really. He's still got to go.
I'm amazed people still bring up the possibility of him staying after every win.
That would be perfect.
I suppose sack him at the end of season should've been another poll option.
I never seem to remember those details. But the answer has to be no. If City win the CL and finish 4th, England gets 4 teams: The only difference is that 3rd will have to do the qualifying stage (as City will jump straight to the group stage as defending champions). I think.
But 5th will never qualify - unless 5th happens to be the CL or EL winner, that is.
Top 4 = CL
IIRC the CL and EL tickets aren't linked to a league.
This is what happens when fellaini is not being played, this is what happens when 2 CM are playing, 2 players out wide with pace and energy to burn, playing a number 10 has a number 10, and playing a striker has a striker with pace and talent, you look good and you pick up 3 pts. I looked at the lineup and hey it looked like a balanced team
So you think that getting top 4 is now acceptable?
Is this how low standards have dropped?
I accepted that in his first season, 4th place was progress.
However, to get 4th place in his 2nd season is unacceptable, especially when standards across the league have slipped.
Next year, with Pep, Klopp and Ranieri all with squads, with LVG at the helm we are going to be again targeting 4th place.
In any case, I do feel that LVG will find a way to screw this up. If Rooney returns, 4th place is gone, for sure.
I'd like us to get 4th place, but if it means LVG stays, I'd rather take 5th. If Jose comes in next season, we'll probably get top 3 and the title the season after that.
I think in that scenario it would be City and the top three in the CL. There is a scenario where if Liverpool win the Europa League and City win the CL with neither finishing in the top four, then only the top three in the league get CL football next year along side the two cup winners.
Somebody earlier in this thread stated that LVG has a cheat code.
Everytime he enters it, he resets his lives.
That's what happened today. He wins one game and all of a sudden, he bought himself more time.
We need to stop looking at 1 game and look at the big picture across 1.75 seasons. Terrible, boring football is what LVG is about.
And he isn't even hiding the fact that he is targeting 1-0 in every game. 1 goal per game is his idea of great football.
Everytime he enters it, he resets his lives.
That's what happened today. He wins one game and all of a sudden, he bought himself more time.
We need to stop looking at 1 game and look at the big picture across 1.75 seasons. Terrible, boring football is what LVG is about.
And he isn't even hiding the fact that he is targeting 1-0 in every game. 1 goal per game is his idea of great football.
Wengerisation.
I was thinking the same. This struggling all season, yet pulling a 4th place finish out of his ass while having a few young players flatter is text book Wenger.
Today should be seen as nothing more than a Brucie Bonus.
He absolutely has to go in the Summer no matter what happens between now and the end of the season . It's mental how easily some people on here get swayed by the odd win.
He absolutely has to go in the Summer no matter what happens between now and the end of the season . It's mental how easily some people on here get swayed by the odd win.
Ahh I see. You're just trying to be smart but failing. I can't be bothered answering the silly Danny Rose claptrap.
Better than Rooney? In terms of goalscorers Aguero, Kane, Lukaku and Costa stand out.
Joachim Loew anyone no?!
Van Gaal's little dig at Liverpool's result
But still want him gone, top 4 or not
I really don't think that was a dig. It was "Southampton only scored 3 goals to win in the second half because Liverpool were tired". That may be part of it but another reason is that Pool are rubbish defensively and Koeman threw on an attacker who changed the game.
There was one reason he raised that and only. So he got in before the "if United had made an attacking move instead of subbing both full backs they could have done the same" comments that would be entirely justified.
I don't dispute that. As long as he is not around next season.
It's been very see-saw when it comes to results in the last month, but performance wise we've played poorly (or like an average team) in 3 out of the last 9 games, and done a decent/good job in the other 6. Our results for the last month are P9 W5 D2 L2. That's not a bad return overall especially given how poor and inconsistent we have been all season.
I don't want to defend him, because I've finally reached a point where I can't be arsed to argue for or against him any more. Let's just say - we didn't come up with the goods in the Europa League - where we should have done much better.
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Whether we do or do not finish in the top 4, or win the FA cup should not matter. We're not Arsenal. Top four and the FA cup when we've been crap the whole season, and nowhere near challenging for the title, in a season where everyone above us is equally as bad, should not be construed as a good season. Top four and the FA cup would be decent damage control, but it's not where we should aim to be at.
I agree with you.
My concern is the board might decide top 4 is good and keep him.
I know you're not going to answer it, stumped by your own silly logic.
If you think Rooney is the 5th best striker in the league you must be dreaming. Right now Rashford looks better.
If we manage to get top 4 , LVG will not be sacked.
Call me daft if you want , to be honest I agree with you , but the more time that passes and he is still here, I fear he will see out his contract.
Get top 4 and the FA Cup Final and I am even more sure he wont get sacked.
Call me daft if you want , to be honest I agree with you , but the more time that passes and he is still here, I fear he will see out his contract.
Get top 4 and the FA Cup Final and I am even more sure he wont get sacked.
I think, based on nothing at all, that we came to some sort of agreement with him just after the new year that he would step down at the end of the season. We get Mourinho, he gets his Portugese villa a year early.
At the time of the poll, back in December, it wasnt an option though, rather similar to Evaluate at end of season...
Great win yesterday but to me it just further highlighted LVG's weaknesses; being a slave to his own philosophy and not strengthening in key areas to the point where our front three's average age is around 20 years old and our youngest striker is running himself into the ground.
Why not set up the team to play like this every match, why does Fellaini get so much game time when even the stats show we're poor with him in the team. Its not a dig at Fellaini per se but we look much better with Schneiderlin and he still has room to improve too.
Despite the crap season we're having we're a point off 4th place. Had we played all season like we did yesterday surely we'd have made up enough points to be safely in the top 3 and perhaps even pushing for the title. We've done well against the big teams and if we had beaten Norwich, Bournemouth and West brom, we're back up in the mix.
Why not set up the team to play like this every match, why does Fellaini get so much game time when even the stats show we're poor with him in the team. Its not a dig at Fellaini per se but we look much better with Schneiderlin and he still has room to improve too.
Despite the crap season we're having we're a point off 4th place. Had we played all season like we did yesterday surely we'd have made up enough points to be safely in the top 3 and perhaps even pushing for the title. We've done well against the big teams and if we had beaten Norwich, Bournemouth and West brom, we're back up in the mix.
I have changed my mind so much this season , I dont know what to think any more, to be honest still not sure I want Mourinho here , I dont like how his teams play.
But if LVG does go , he is really the only choice out there.
Then I read this.
http://www.90min.com/posts/3049931-...ontract-deal-at-manchester-united?a_aid=35975
Do we even need top 4?. We are nowhere yet ready for CL next season. We couldnt get out of the easiest possible group this season. We will most probably in pot 3 next year and we might possibly go out of the group stages again...
Of course we do. Most of the top players care about being able to play in the CL. If we want to attract new players being in the CL is always a bonus.
On top of that I think the group stage of the CL is worth 25M € on it's own plus the bonuses for winning games. Way more than we would get from playing in the EL.
Ready or not getting the money can never hurt and neither can it to be able to offer new players the prospect of playing in the CL.
You make it sound like we got no good players and that we got no money to spend. Wake the feck up man; with the right manager and some right signings, we could very well be one of the best teams in Europe.
Even if we do sneak the top 4 this year, the style of football and lack of progress (despite spending a silly amount of cash) shows LVG isn't the right man to take us forward. The board must also feel the same way about this and I'd be surprised if LVG wasn't already aware that he'll be leaving at the end of the season.
I think the discussion that's currently ongoing in the board room is "do we appoint Giggs or Mourinho?".
The worst case scenario for August 2016 is that LVG is still in charge of the team. I think that's blatantly clear to everyone associated with the club.
I think the discussion that's currently ongoing in the board room is "do we appoint Giggs or Mourinho?".
The worst case scenario for August 2016 is that LVG is still in charge of the team. I think that's blatantly clear to everyone associated with the club.
Beating City is all well and good, it is obviously fantastic for the fans. But ultimately it will count for nothing if we fail to build on it and drop points in our next few games. Which, if I am completely honest, I still expect us to do.
I dont have the same dilemma as a lot of people seem to - worrying about the possible implications if we win our remaining games - because i am confident (based on nothing more than a hunch, but it is enough for me) anything we achieve now will be seen as too little too late in terms of Van Gaal saving his job. What is at stake is not his job but his reputation and I am happy for us to play to save that, especially as, setting the manager aside, we still have everything to play for ourselves. If we can turn it around and qualify for the CL that will obviously be a massive bonus for the club, Van Gaal may well have financial incentives for that in his contract and it will avoid any serious damage having been done to his reputation. But I dont believe Woodward is ready to go through this again next season, not for a 3rd time in 4 seasons (and that is being quite generous about our achievements last year, which were only really good when compared to the seasons either side of it). We have a chance to get Mourinho in and you dont need to be a "football man" to understand the value of that. Not all, but most of the arguments against Mourinho are sentimental (not playing the right way, not liking his off-field antics etc) but if you look at it from a hard-headed business perspective, with the only goal being to win, it is a no-brainer. I think Woodward is focused on that business case, rather than the sentimental side, unlike, perhaps, the "football people" - i.e. NOT business-people - on the baord.
I dont have the same dilemma as a lot of people seem to - worrying about the possible implications if we win our remaining games - because i am confident (based on nothing more than a hunch, but it is enough for me) anything we achieve now will be seen as too little too late in terms of Van Gaal saving his job. What is at stake is not his job but his reputation and I am happy for us to play to save that, especially as, setting the manager aside, we still have everything to play for ourselves. If we can turn it around and qualify for the CL that will obviously be a massive bonus for the club, Van Gaal may well have financial incentives for that in his contract and it will avoid any serious damage having been done to his reputation. But I dont believe Woodward is ready to go through this again next season, not for a 3rd time in 4 seasons (and that is being quite generous about our achievements last year, which were only really good when compared to the seasons either side of it). We have a chance to get Mourinho in and you dont need to be a "football man" to understand the value of that. Not all, but most of the arguments against Mourinho are sentimental (not playing the right way, not liking his off-field antics etc) but if you look at it from a hard-headed business perspective, with the only goal being to win, it is a no-brainer. I think Woodward is focused on that business case, rather than the sentimental side, unlike, perhaps, the "football people" - i.e. NOT business-people - on the baord.
It will honestly ruin my footballing year if he's still in charge come August. All the statistics say we've been extremely poor this year and there's no evidence that we're going to improve. I just hope that the people who matter also feel the same way.I agree with you , but I still suspect he will be here next season
Sensible post. Let's hope you are right.
I'm the same, but it does seem to have a bit of inevitability about it, similar to Pep with City.
I does look like that.
Even the win over City has not improved my mood over football, LVG has sucked all the enjoyment out of it.
I really hope I am wrong and he does go.
Nah, the rules changed after Everton/Liverpool debacle. Meaning we wouldn't qualify. Hence Spurs not qualifying when Chelsea won the Champions League a few years back.
yeah as far as I am aware it has again changes since then, so if we get top 4 and city win the CL but finish 5th, all 5 will get a spot
Or maybe I imagined it, who knows
Everything is forgotten when we win one match out of three. Then the recriminations start again once we lose. He should go immediately. Let Joyce and Giggs handle the side for the rest of the season.
Scraping Top 4 in a year when Leicester look likely to win the league should not buy LVG a stay of execution, it's as simple as that unless we want to become like Arsenal.
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