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Do you want LVG sacked?

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pseudo_canadian said:
Regardless of the injuries and the team that we put out, at the end of the day we lost to fecking Bournemouth.

That is beyond inexcusable, in my opinion, and doesn't warrant a pass.
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No doubt, but before when we would have injuries to the back line our firepower on offense was usually enough to see us through. Now that we are a scrappier team with almost nothing to show for up front, you can't really blame the man for the result today.
If anything you can blame him/Woody for putting themselves in that situation due to the lack of purchases in attack, but you can't blame him for the result when we see this is the style of play he wants us to have, because the players he had on hand today were almost never going to be able to hold up playing this way. You could also say he should have come in today guns blazing, but I don't ever think LvG would allow that, and I don't think we even have the quality to do that.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It could end the Giggs for manager discussion once and for all. That would be the only positive coming out of it.
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All it would do is make the rebuilding job even tougher for the opor sod that took over from Gig
pseudo_canadian said:
The reality is that he won't get sacked until it is mathematically certain we won't be getting top 4, as was the case with Moyes.

Can't see it happening any other way, unfortunately.
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Wasn't the reason for that Moyes had a 6 year contract and it meant we could significantly reduce the pay-off? With LvG he's only got 18 months left come January so paying him off wouldn't be too difficult.
 
KingCantona87 said:
Makes you wonder if LVG had a go at the players for being too attacking. Only logical explanation I can have for that showing.
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The only positive from the Wolfsburg game was the fluid attacking football that we showed at times. I actually thought it'd be a turning point for our attacking play, but apart from the first 25 minutes today, we just went back to the usual garbage.
 
Scorpy said:
The only positive from the Wolfsburg game was the fluid attacking football that we showed at times. I actually thought it'd be a turning point for our attacking play, but apart from the first 25 minutes today, we just went back to the usual garbage.
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We weren't even that fluid, to be honest. It was a massive improvement on what we'd seen previously in some games, but it was still relatively average. We were mostly relying on good performances in the early stages from Mata and Martial, who had linked up for the goal and looked quite threatening. Aside from that though, we were far from fluid. Schweinsteiger offered little in midfield, while Fellaini lumbered beside him. Lingard wasn't particularly great, nor was Depay, who arguably found his way into the game in the second half a bit more. It was an improvement, certainly, but it wasn't some sort of all-out attacking, free-flowing football.
 
Doesn't seem to be a balance between the two mentalities under LVG. Either we go too defensive with passing for passing's sake or we go too far in the other direction and essentially turn into the Dog & Duck FC.
 
Cheesy said:
We weren't even that fluid, to be honest. It was a massive improvement on what we'd seen previously in some games, but it was still relatively average. We were mostly relying on good performances in the early stages from Mata and Martial, who had linked up for the goal and looked quite threatening. Aside from that though, we were far from fluid. Schweinsteiger offered little in midfield, while Fellaini lumbered beside him. Lingard wasn't particularly great, nor was Depay, who arguably found his way into the game in the second half a bit more. It was an improvement, certainly, but it wasn't some sort of all-out attacking, free-flowing football.
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Yeah, I agree, maybe fluid wasn't the right word for it. We just created more chances to score, which was a welcome sight.
 
Scorpy said:
Yeah, I agree, maybe fluid wasn't the right word for it. We just created more chances to score, which was a welcome sight.
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True. It was certainly an improvement, even if only a minor one.
 
Think it's time to admit Moyes would have probably done a better job if he was still here!

Moving forward we are stuck with LVG and he has to carry on what he's started otherwise we will be stuck in a cycle of sacking managers!!

Get behind the manager!!!
 
Changed my vote. He has to go. No knee jerk reaction here, just a frustration that has built up over many many games.
 
Devil may care said:
All it would do is make the rebuilding job even tougher for the opor sod that took over from Gig


Wasn't the reason for that Moyes had a 6 year contract and it meant we could significantly reduce the pay-off? With LvG he's only got 18 months left come January so paying him off wouldn't be too difficult.
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Good point.
 
Will Singh said:
Think it's time to admit Moyes would have probably done a better job if he was still here!

Moving forward we are stuck with LVG and he has to carry on what he's started otherwise we will be stuck in a cycle of sacking managers!!

Get behind the manager!!!
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Of course we going to be sacking managers. We like any other normal club now.

I hate how people think just because Fergie was here 26 years that other managers deserve a long time. Our rivals would have sacked Van Gaal after Wednesday.

Would Real Madrid, Barca or Bayern accept these sort of performances?
 
Continuing the way we are we are fecked, there is no way as things stand we will make top 4, it needs to be changed, that scenario is unacceptable, this was meant to be a period where we would rack up points, bolloxed, now we are heading to the 2nd half of the season with very difficult fixtures mentally demoralised and a depleted team, where it didn't need to be. Defo a decision for the board to make.
 
Didn't think this would happen.

I stood by Moyes the whole way, until the Everton game as I always assumed it was a contractual sacking but I never wanted him gone. However, I think now, I'm in the van Gaal out camp. I just think this is what we are going to get. The process has finished, I don't see what player van Gaal could bring in and improve the side playing this football.

A few weeks ago I gave him and the players the benefit of the doubt but I really get the feeling most of the players just don't buy it anymore and if that's the case, he has to go.

I get up for every game, 2,3 or 4 in the morning and lately, all I do is yawn and stare blankly at the screen thinking why do I keep setting the alarm. From a selfish point of view, I need that excitement back, it's something that made me love the club, the reason I love getting up at stupid hours but this season has been a real struggle.

I'll stand by him but if he is there next season, I would be worried about he immediate future of the club.
 
I still think he'll get till the end of the season though, but with some talks going on with available managers in the background.

Unless the whole thing collapses with a series of losses. The Christmas fixture list will be crucial I think.

But sure looks like no one is buying #philosophy any more.
 
We were at worst rubbish

At best, tepid.

Im not #LVGOUT purely because of a few run of results. Its because I accepted the boring football so long as we were winning matches. Right now? We're boring AND we suck.

Its a trend, so many players have become shadows of who they were the moment they slid into this team.

-Failure to adequately replace players he sold (some of whom he didnt need to sell, and some of whom their figures will quite simply insulting - Rafael, Chicha).
-Failure to progress through the group stages
-Failure to augment a much needed leader in defense and up front.
-Failure to have ANY sort of risk taken by the team. Players NEED to take some risks to come up with winners.
-Every single player who has come in from another team started off in blistering form (the form they were in while in their other team) only to have that beaten out of them, and as a result become completely ineffectual and boring.

Im sorry, but Im unanimously #LVGOUT
 
Not changing my vote from the 'evaluate at the end of the season' just yet. Mainly because there are not many good options available to replace him at the moment. If we drop points against Norwich then I think I will want him gone though. I'm on the fence, but I am clinging onto it and am about to fall on the 'LVG out' side.
 
He will get until the end of the season because were still in contention for CL spot and still in contention for the league.

The problem he has is:

1) results are bad with poor performances. The poor dour football was being excused before because we were at least getting results.
2) I think hes failed 2 big weeks. PSV, Leicester, West Ham, Wolfsburg, Bournemouth.
We didnt win a single one of those matches, yet if we had won one of the European matches, we qualify for last 16 (and most likely win the group) and if we win these "winnable" games, we are top of the league. We scored 4 goal and conceded 6. Yikes.
3) His inability to change games for the good. In fact his subs seem to kill any momentum we are getting. He brings on Powell for Mata, when Mata is playing well and Fellaini isnt.
He then brings on Powell for Fellaini, when Fellaini is playing well and Mata isnt.

It also seems like he has no plan. Its like hes changing every game (formation for example) hoping something will happen. Its like we are playing not to lose, rather than to go out and win, or were playing to counter what the opposition will do rather than impose ourselves. I can see that working against bigger teams, but no reason to do that against "lower" teams.

Its worrying sign that were regressing and the injuries are a big problem. Three or four injuries you think bad luck, but the amount we are getting seems to indicate something needs to be changed but its continuing.

So frustrating, especially when he then does interviews. Some of the stuff does sound like Moyes with an accent. It really seems like we need to score first to win the game otherwise best we can hope for is a draw.
 
Keep him until the end of his contract, unless we need to move this summer to get someone like Guardiola. He's done a good job considering what he was left by Moyes but he's only ever been a caretaker to get us back on the right track.

People calling for him to go now are best left ignored.
 
11101 said:
Keep him until the end of his contract, unless we need to move this summer to get someone like Guardiola. He's done a good job considering what he was left by Moyes but he's only ever been a caretaker to get us back on the right track.

People calling for him to go now are best left ignored.
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Good job?

I don't see anything good he has done. He's let players go without replacing them. The football is dull. With each passing week he lowers expectations.

Moyes could have done the same job with the money being spent.
 
Bojan11 said:
Good job?

I don't see anything good he has done. He's let players go without replacing them. The football is dull. With each passing week he lowers expectations.

Moyes could have done the same job with the money being spent.
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He's cleared out an ageing, unbalanced squad and replaced it with young players and much better balance. We had constantly injured below par defenders, no midfield and a group of strikers who were either past it or not good enough. Now we have a good group of young defenders, a great midfield and some young attacking talent. We need a proven goalscorer but LVG was not to know the second most prolific striker in Premiership history couldn't deliver.

As a fan base we think everything begins and ends with the manager, because thats how its always been for us. But for other big teams LVG is right, the team runs itself on the pitch. They change managers so often it has to. The likes of Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern etc are almost manager agnostic. That's what LVG is working towards.

SAF left a squad at the end of its cycle, Moyes just flapped around doing nothing, and LVG has given us a brand new squad to go forward with.
 
Bojan11 said:
Good job?

I don't see anything good he has done. He's let players go without replacing them. The football is dull. With each passing week he lowers expectations.

Moyes could have done the same job with the money being spent.
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Maybe that was why he was hired. Look how it's been Liverpool's year since 1989. We are heading in the same direction.
 
11101 said:
He's cleared out an ageing, unbalanced squad and replaced it with young players and much better balance. We had constantly injured below par defenders, no midfield and a group of strikers who were either past it or not good enough. Now we have a good group of young defenders, a great midfield and some young attacking talent. We need a proven goalscorer but LVG was not to know the second most prolific striker in Premiership history couldn't deliver.

SAF left a squad at the end of its cycle, Moyes just flapped around doing nothing, and LVG has given us a brand new squad to go forward with.
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Yet we still need a CB, CM, winger and striker.

He hasn't really done a great job because he's cleared out players we could have done with. He has left us short on the attacking side.

His decision to let Hernandez, Wilson and Januzaj all leave is looking stupid every week.
 
Bojan11 said:
Yet we still need a CB, CM, winger and striker.

He hasn't really done a great job because he's cleared out players we could have done with. He has left us short on the attacking side.

His decision to let Hernandez, Wilson and Januzaj all leave is looking stupid every week.
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Do we? Smalling and Blind have given us the best defensive record in the league.
We have Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Carrick, Fellaini and Herrera to choose from in midfield. Who else do we need?

We lack a world class forward only, and Hernandez/Wilson/Januzaj will never be one.
 
11101 said:
Do we? Smalling and Blind have given us the best defensive record in the league.
We have Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Carrick, Fellaini and Herrera to choose from in midfield. Who else do we need?

We lack a world class forward only, and Hernandez/Wilson/Januzaj will never be one.
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Our defence has looked great because we play with two cdms most of the games.

Blind and Smalling shouldn't be a long term fix. Smalling is basically doing most of the work defensively. We just need to find a partner for him who can stay fit. If LVG didn't go with the silly attitude of Ramos or nobody we would have signed one. Rather than relying on Jones to stay fit.

Fellaini isn't a CM. You say these players would fit in Peps system perfectly. Do you see Fellaini fitting in Peps system? Carrick is 35 and approaching the end of his career. We should definitely look at signing someone like Gundogan.

We don't just need a striker. We looked piss poor from the wide areas for a very long time now.
 
Bojan11 said:
Of course we going to be sacking managers. We like any other normal club now.

I hate how people think just because Fergie was here 26 years that other managers deserve a long time. Our rivals would have sacked Van Gaal after Wednesday.

Would Real Madrid, Barca or Bayern accept these sort of performances?
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Agree with you. But to be fair, would the clubs you mentioned accept our players' performances as well?
 
11101 said:
Do we? Smalling and Blind have given us the best defensive record in the league.
We have Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Carrick, Fellaini and Herrera to choose from in midfield. Who else do we need?

We lack a world class forward only, and Hernandez/Wilson/Januzaj will never be one.
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Well, at the least they could have helped over the last few games wouldn't you at least agree that?
 
The romanticism of Sir Alex's achievement and longevity had a hold on me but soon enough you have realize he was the Messi of managers.
Yes we have our values which makes us unique; attacking football, developing youths and sticking by the manager. But the manager too has to demonstrate his competence to lead this club. Sadly, the feeling of doubt is growing fast.
It looks like LVG has his way and only one way, which is good in theory. When that doesn't work, like a blind man, he has no direction.
 
Esquire said:
Well, at the least they could have helped over the last few games wouldn't you at least agree that?
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Yes, but you can't plan for 9 first teamers injured. When they're all back and fit, what do you do with the others? We are doing the right thing bringing youth in to cover.
 
I changed my vote today. I don't think LVG has anything more to offer mufc and I don't see us progressing any further under his tenure. We look as uninspiring and toothless as anything that was produced under moyes regime.
 
I've read a few time the 'If we sack him there is nobody else' but what is the point in keeping someone you've lost faith in and don't believe will meet the objectives anyway. He's lost the fans, and probably a few of the players at least. What would be the point in keeping him?
 
Baxter said:
What would be the point in keeping him?
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Depends entirely on who we can get to replace him. If Giggs is the only realistic alternative, we need to consider very carefully what's at stake here. If LVG hasn't lost the dressing room, he can still scrape 4th.

If he has lost the players, on the other hand, there is no alternative: He has to go, and there is absolutely no point in delaying either.
 
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