It wouldn't exactly be a nice Christmas present, that's for sure.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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He would be already gone in few ambitious European clubs... during his first season I might add.
Sack him now, I say, the way its going were going out of top 4 if Spurs win, and 3-4 other teams are right behind us. And how the team is going, its not looking good, we might not even make top 4, we had to wait 1 year for Cl football, and apart from being knocked out so easily and without any fight, not being in a nother year, is dreadful as a fan, and more importantly for the clubs image and revenue
Alex Netherton believes that Louis van Gaal's catalogue of bewildering failings should now prompt his sacking byManchester United.
It is easy to look at Manchester United and just declare that Louis van Gaal doesn't know what he is doing, and deserves the sack.
And there's a good reason why that declaration is so easy make: Louis van Gaal really doesn't know what he is doing, and really does deserve the sack.
This is not something that has come out of the blue after a recent drop off, but the last few games have demonstrated that everything Van Gaal needed to put right after a summer of reasonable activity in the transfer window has been made palpably worse.
When Van Gaal served up his wretched nonsense in his first year in charge, he was rightly given the time to work out his plan with United. The defence was improved, and plenty of deadwood was cut out - including, for example, Javier Hernandez.
Hernandez's resurgence this season is now being used as a stick to beat Van Gaal, but this is unfair. The Mexican did not want to stay at United, hadn’t played well for them for a year-and-a-half, and was also poor atReal Madrid.
So let's not blame Van Gaal for something that (while seemingly wrong in hindsight) was a sound decision - particularly when he has so many other failings for which he does deserve to be blamed.
His constant needling of players in public is unsupportable. Memphis,Ander Herrera and Bastian Schweinsteiger have been among his targets, and it is increasingly clear that the players do not like the man. There were reports that the Spanish contingent in the squad, or those that spoke Spanish, were upset by the treatment of David de Gea over the summer. Then there were stories that the players found training, like fans found the games, unbelievably dull. Then there was a story that one player was fed up at the limitations imposed upon him. In the game against Wolfsburg, Juan Mata - United’s most threatening player throughout the match - was said to have expressed his disappointment at being substituted for Nick “FFS” Powell.
Against Bournemouth on Saturday Marouane Fellaini was wasteful, but the only player to look like being able to shoot towards goal. Thus there was little surprise when it was he who made way for Powell this time. It’s representative of two things: Van Gaal’s repeatedly awful substitutions that neither make sense nor work, and his ability to depress the team into giving up. It wasn’t just Mata, but across the pitch: the players look beaten and unwilling to lead the team.
In the past, in Alex Ferguson’s great teams, there were always players ready to lead. Roy Keane is the obvious one, but Cristiano Ronaldo would drag the team where he wanted to go. Even when Ferguson's final side was in decline there were men like Rio Ferdinand who simply refused to be beaten, and that proven enough against most opponents.
But if players dislike the manager and his methods, then there is less chance they will step up in tough moments like this. What chance does this side have when its senior players are Fellaini - a man who favours cowardly two-footed tackles and snide elbows instead of using his physical advantage - and Mata - a man too meek to stand up to a manager. Ferguson got criticised for removing players who would confront him in his later years (such as Keane, or Ruud van Nistelrooy), and Van Gaal has failed to change that in the squad.
One of the reasons for the recent slump is, of course, the ridiculous injury list. But Van Gaal identified the club's injury issues as a problem, and claimed that he would improve it. Against Bournemouth, Paddy McNair and Jesse Lingard both left with new injuries. The injury situation was poor under Ferguson, woeful under Moyes, and continues to be something Van Gaal hasn’t improved from his first season or from his predecessors’ efforts.
Last season, United were ponderous. They would only find it easy when teams opened up for them, just as Spurs, Manchester City and Liverpooldid in those three games when United seemed to have cracked it. In reality, United were just winning when teams made it harder to lose.
People waited to see what Van Gaal could do in the summer with some new signings. It turns out the answer is: nothing new. Once exciting players, or players who arrived with zest and creativity, have had it beaten out of them. Anthony Martial, so cold-blooded in his first appearances, now looks as if he might have the yips. Memphis obviously has serious talent, but he can’t display it in a tougher league when the rest of his colleagues struggle. Bastian Schweinsteiger appears to have surprised Van Gaal by ageing five years in the last, er, five years, and cannot perform as he did at 26.
Van Gaal had it all set up for him. He had the defence organised but didn’t buy a central defender who could think and lead. He had Ander Herrera scoring and working well with Mata, and then dropped him and criticised him. He could have replaced Wayne Rooney with a player capable of contributing on the pitch, but instead hampered the rest of the side by changing Rooney's position and shifting blame for his shortcomings to other areas of the team.
This isn’t hindsight talking, this is repetition of what many said and believed in the summer. The crowd know it, Van Gaal doesn’t.
The fans have to pray the board know it now. But Van Gaal? He has to hope the board are still as clueless as he is, if he wants to keep his job.
http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...re-clueless-than-he-is_sto5026384/story.shtml
It is easy to look at Manchester United and just declare that Louis van Gaal doesn't know what he is doing, and deserves the sack.
And there's a good reason why that declaration is so easy make: Louis van Gaal really doesn't know what he is doing, and really does deserve the sack.
This is not something that has come out of the blue after a recent drop off, but the last few games have demonstrated that everything Van Gaal needed to put right after a summer of reasonable activity in the transfer window has been made palpably worse.
When Van Gaal served up his wretched nonsense in his first year in charge, he was rightly given the time to work out his plan with United. The defence was improved, and plenty of deadwood was cut out - including, for example, Javier Hernandez.
Hernandez's resurgence this season is now being used as a stick to beat Van Gaal, but this is unfair. The Mexican did not want to stay at United, hadn’t played well for them for a year-and-a-half, and was also poor atReal Madrid.
So let's not blame Van Gaal for something that (while seemingly wrong in hindsight) was a sound decision - particularly when he has so many other failings for which he does deserve to be blamed.
His constant needling of players in public is unsupportable. Memphis,Ander Herrera and Bastian Schweinsteiger have been among his targets, and it is increasingly clear that the players do not like the man. There were reports that the Spanish contingent in the squad, or those that spoke Spanish, were upset by the treatment of David de Gea over the summer. Then there were stories that the players found training, like fans found the games, unbelievably dull. Then there was a story that one player was fed up at the limitations imposed upon him. In the game against Wolfsburg, Juan Mata - United’s most threatening player throughout the match - was said to have expressed his disappointment at being substituted for Nick “FFS” Powell.
Against Bournemouth on Saturday Marouane Fellaini was wasteful, but the only player to look like being able to shoot towards goal. Thus there was little surprise when it was he who made way for Powell this time. It’s representative of two things: Van Gaal’s repeatedly awful substitutions that neither make sense nor work, and his ability to depress the team into giving up. It wasn’t just Mata, but across the pitch: the players look beaten and unwilling to lead the team.
In the past, in Alex Ferguson’s great teams, there were always players ready to lead. Roy Keane is the obvious one, but Cristiano Ronaldo would drag the team where he wanted to go. Even when Ferguson's final side was in decline there were men like Rio Ferdinand who simply refused to be beaten, and that proven enough against most opponents.
But if players dislike the manager and his methods, then there is less chance they will step up in tough moments like this. What chance does this side have when its senior players are Fellaini - a man who favours cowardly two-footed tackles and snide elbows instead of using his physical advantage - and Mata - a man too meek to stand up to a manager. Ferguson got criticised for removing players who would confront him in his later years (such as Keane, or Ruud van Nistelrooy), and Van Gaal has failed to change that in the squad.
One of the reasons for the recent slump is, of course, the ridiculous injury list. But Van Gaal identified the club's injury issues as a problem, and claimed that he would improve it. Against Bournemouth, Paddy McNair and Jesse Lingard both left with new injuries. The injury situation was poor under Ferguson, woeful under Moyes, and continues to be something Van Gaal hasn’t improved from his first season or from his predecessors’ efforts.
Last season, United were ponderous. They would only find it easy when teams opened up for them, just as Spurs, Manchester City and Liverpooldid in those three games when United seemed to have cracked it. In reality, United were just winning when teams made it harder to lose.
People waited to see what Van Gaal could do in the summer with some new signings. It turns out the answer is: nothing new. Once exciting players, or players who arrived with zest and creativity, have had it beaten out of them. Anthony Martial, so cold-blooded in his first appearances, now looks as if he might have the yips. Memphis obviously has serious talent, but he can’t display it in a tougher league when the rest of his colleagues struggle. Bastian Schweinsteiger appears to have surprised Van Gaal by ageing five years in the last, er, five years, and cannot perform as he did at 26.
Van Gaal had it all set up for him. He had the defence organised but didn’t buy a central defender who could think and lead. He had Ander Herrera scoring and working well with Mata, and then dropped him and criticised him. He could have replaced Wayne Rooney with a player capable of contributing on the pitch, but instead hampered the rest of the side by changing Rooney's position and shifting blame for his shortcomings to other areas of the team.
This isn’t hindsight talking, this is repetition of what many said and believed in the summer. The crowd know it, Van Gaal doesn’t.
The fans have to pray the board know it now. But Van Gaal? He has to hope the board are still as clueless as he is, if he wants to keep his job.
http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...re-clueless-than-he-is_sto5026384/story.shtml
He won't go anywhere midseason unless it becomes mathematically impossible to get top 4. If that happens at any point he'll be gone.
His defenders are as clueless as he is himself, lower win percentage than Moyes and marginal improvements on pointswon (due to his borefests 0-0). Cant wait till he's out already, have been sceptical since day one with that ridiculous 352, continues to surprise me weekly. He shows me that achievements in the past say nothing and arent eternal, same goes for the likes of Rooney, Falcao, Schweinsteiger (might be a bit early but completely past it).
'Bastian Schweinsteiger appears to have surprised Van Gaal by ageing five years in the last, er, five years, and cannot perform as he did at 26.' 
Great article @Sultan. Bang on the money on all counts. His management style is just bewildering.
Great article @Sultan. Bang on the money on all counts. His management style is just bewildering.
I fear you're right but pray you're wrong.
I have absolutely no idea how it would work out, but United have to sound out Guardiola now. I don't think Anchelotti is the right move at all.
I feel terrible thinking Van Gaal should be binned, but I'm not unhappy he only has a short-term deal.
I feel terrible thinking Van Gaal should be binned, but I'm not unhappy he only has a short-term deal.
How many people on this forum are defending him? The consensus is that he should go but people disagree on when.
He's done a piss poor job so far and should be sacked. But it depends on whether we can get Guardiola or not for me. If we can then let him stay till the summer (assuming he will get top 4). If we can't get him, get Ancelotti who I'm not really a fan of but will do a better job than LVG because he isn't insane.
I'm worried that we will sack him and put Giggs in the job who does a semi-decent job and gets another year to prove himself so we miss out on Guardiola
I'm worried that we will sack him and put Giggs in the job who does a semi-decent job and gets another year to prove himself so we miss out on Guardiola
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-give-ryan-giggs-7002347?
well lads...forget Pep if this is to be believed.
Giggs it is.
well lads...forget Pep if this is to be believed.
Giggs it is.
Ugh, Giggs. It goes from bad to worse. I'd rather keep Van Gaal for another 3 years.
Yes, that's an article that clearly belongs in the "100% reliable" category.
nothing is realiable atm. who would have seriously thought it would be Moyes.
About 10% of the people who have voted, 68 people have voted for him to see out his contract or get an extension.
The Mirror has spoken.
LvG is a good man with a great career, the same goes for Moyes. The United job is hard, harder than most jobs out there. I think both LvG and Moyes deserve respect, but if we take everything but the job out of the equation, they have failed to deliver results good enough for a club of our size.
I am still pissed we lost to a seaside resort. But I will wait and see what happens.
Good shout. He's proven at the club level, did big things with Juve.
with about half of the people who voted "He's great, give him an extension" being opposition fans.
It seems he has reached that normal stage in his appointments when at least one side has had enough of the other. Unfortunately there wasns't much success and good football in between.
Maybe he was just left a little behind in terms of modern football. United are a lot like his Netherlands side in the World Cup. As the games went by, they also became totally toothless.
Maybe he was just left a little behind in terms of modern football. United are a lot like his Netherlands side in the World Cup. As the games went by, they also became totally toothless.
okay.
Waiting until LvG can't mathematically get top 4 is like waiting for the wheels to fall off, giving Giggs the job is cast iron suicide.
was not Conte mentioned at one time for us? I still would prefer Simeone. He is mental but a passionate one.
It could end the Giggs for manager discussion once and for all. That would be the only positive coming out of it.
Conte is Italy's coach. He's there until at least the World Cup, barring any major catastrophe.
The poll was done ages ago.
All it would do is make the rebuilding job even tougher for the poor sod that took over from Giggs.
I know but I was trying to be glass half full and find some small crumb of comfort out of his appointment.
That article says we will extend LVG's contract till 2018
think we can tag this under bullshit.Yeah but a lot of people have changed their vote today. Those who are actually United who voted for those 2 choices haven't.
That article says we will extend LVG's contract till 2018
after Pep then?
Sigh, time for a parting of the ways. 4 in 14 is unacceptable, lucky to be where we are in the table as the league has been junk all round.
Tbh, I can't imagine trusting him with another 100-150m in January.....
Tbh, I can't imagine trusting him with another 100-150m in January.....
"He's a kite dancing in a hurricane."
Oo-er.
Oo-er.
It's remarkable that in his 18 months in charge and the hundreds of millions spent we were fun to watch for about 3 weeks.
All that shit for a 3 week spell.
All that shit for a 3 week spell.
That would be silly and will only serve to confirm the incompetence of this board in football related issues. The team is on the slide and very soon the chasing pack for the coveted top four finish will overtake us and leave us in the dust. Why wait for an eventuality that will make our rebuild more difficult than it needs to be?
Not sure which of them to take really, quite opposing statements one after another.
If it can get thousands times worse I'd like to know how.
That silly article says LVG will get extension.
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