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Xavi's half retired though. That was a great team, especially in terms of attitude.
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Xavi's half retired though. That was a great team, especially in terms of attitude.
United? Absolutely! Will of iron. Especially with the Great Dane in goal! He was like an end of level boss for strikers who broke through. Probably the only keeper I'd make favourite with one on ones.
DDG seems to do quite well with them too IMO.
Aye, DDG is one of the better keepers at them at the moment, a good deal of it is (IMO) how good he is with his feet, not many keeper can make reaction leg save like DDG.
Great keeper, great character too.
That's the team spirit we have to create again. Arsenal and Juve semifinals showed that best.
I cant wait for a day we have that again.
Feels a long way away.
Just woke up and he still hasn't been sacked. Very disappointing.
It's a tricky decision. I have lost faith in his ability to turn it around now, but it will significantly derail our season. We have to get 4th, and if he leaves, it's not just him who leaves, it's his entire back room staff. Could Giggs get replacements in mid-season? I doubt it. Phil and Gary are busy.
I think we're more likely to get 4th with him than without him, and that is what we must focus on. No FA cup, no Europa League, just salvage something and get someone else at the end.
I think we're more likely to get 4th with him than without him, and that is what we must focus on. No FA cup, no Europa League, just salvage something and get someone else at the end.
There will be a full blown riot if they extend his contract.That article says we will extend LVG's contract till 2018think we can tag this under bullshit.
Are you struggling to sleep Steve? Cracking jokes in the early morning. It's a good one as well.
I can excuse the style of boring football of football if it's getting results, what I can't do is except the opposite. Look at the players, they appear a very unhappy bunch of people. They look fearful and still struggling to accept LVG methods. All his signings are going backwards rapidly and honestly the seasons going into free fall. Our inadequencies are being hidden because the teams around us equally aren't very good either.
Feels like LvG is horrible with man-management. The players look discontent and if they aren't 100% behind the manager, we should change.
Ed Woodward didn't look happy in the stands, wonder what he was thinking.
Ed Woodward didn't look happy in the stands, wonder what he was thinking.
Probably that a cheap shit manager could have managed 4 in 14.
I think anybody who thinks that, needs to check themselves into a mental institution for 24/7 care.
I've not changed my wait until the season ends vote as yet. But I wouldn't be against the club moving for Ancellotti right this minute. I like Louis and want things to work, but I fear he's lost the dressing room and it's best to just try and secure someone else straight away to save the season. We have to be ruthless. However, it's got to be someone with experience - please God no Giggs.
Van Gaal has not exactly produced miracles. Last year Liverpool and Everton who had good season when Moyes was around were average last year. We just about got 4th spot last season. Won nothing.
This season we've hardly pulled up any trees either.
The job was too much for Moyes, but had Moyes been able have another season to get rid of certain players and bring in his own. Him just about managing 4th and winning nothing is not a crazy notion.
These are tough times right now, but I don't think that will last. I still see potential for some improvement under Van Gaal, perhaps he can coach up some of these young players and one or two of them will step up. We have a lot to play for and plenty of opportunity for talented players to show what they can do. In his dark hour he may yet see the light.
I don't like his style of play or management, and if he's sacked tomorrow I won't miss him. But after the initial satisfaction of dumping him, I don't know that it would make us better right now for the rest of this season. If we make a change there must be a better plan for improvement driving it.
I said at the beginning of the season when he sold off every spare part that he was like Cortes burning the ships in the harbor. There is only one way to victory right now and that is through him. The players have not bought into it, maybe the young players will buy in and carry us forward. Or maybe hitting rock bottom will change some attitudes on both sides - manager & players.
I don't like his style of play or management, and if he's sacked tomorrow I won't miss him. But after the initial satisfaction of dumping him, I don't know that it would make us better right now for the rest of this season. If we make a change there must be a better plan for improvement driving it.
I said at the beginning of the season when he sold off every spare part that he was like Cortes burning the ships in the harbor. There is only one way to victory right now and that is through him. The players have not bought into it, maybe the young players will buy in and carry us forward. Or maybe hitting rock bottom will change some attitudes on both sides - manager & players.
I hope LvG will do the right thing and resign on his own accord if things continue the way they are. I just don't see any turn around.
The results have been bad but we have a big list of injuries.
I don't want us to become a club that sacks after a bad run.
That said, I probably won't be devastated if he was sacked and Ancelotti was brought in.
I don't want us to become a club that sacks after a bad run.
That said, I probably won't be devastated if he was sacked and Ancelotti was brought in.
no point bringing in a new manager to a injury crisis.
lets see how we do once jones, herrera and schnedierlin are back. Imo he has to go in summer, awful man and in gamr management but will leave us with a good squad that needs a last pump of investment imo.
lets see how we do once jones, herrera and schnedierlin are back. Imo he has to go in summer, awful man and in gamr management but will leave us with a good squad that needs a last pump of investment imo.
No player on earth would enjoy playing his style. The sooner he goes the better for all involved. He's done.
He'll leave with the squad looking like a right mess. So much for laying foundations - which seemed to be the narrative when folk released we weren't great under LVG.
the squad is not a mess. Lol
Our squad is slim and imo being mismanaged to an extent.
We need to build on it, which he would have done had he been good enough to get a 3rd year.
I've been a big supporter of van Gaal but even I can't see him seeing out his contract with us now. It's funny because like we saw at Barcelona and Bayern I can see him getting praise from people for the foundations he's put in place for future managers to build on.
The most critical aspect of management is to improve players. LvG in my opinion, has failed. Smalling aside I haven't noticed any player improve under his management. If anything, most players seem to have regressed.
It's got nothing to do with SAF being manager for 26 years it's to do with the fact LVG has spent 100's of millions of pounds to build a team and if we sack him now the new manager will also want money to build his team, so if the new manager also doesn't do well you'd sack him to and the next and next?
I hate people who think because SAF was winning trophies then automatically so should LVG!!!
He's not failed, he's revolutionised our football. Seriously the nonsense some folk have spouted...
This, improve the players and improve their chemistry. The players look like strangers to each others.
It's not only the bad run though is it? It's 18 months (other than those 4 games including Liverpool and city last season) of terribly boring football.
For me he's a con man. Talks about exciting attacking football but has no clue in implementing it.
I'd add Fellaini, Valencia and Young to that as well. Carrick was also awful under Moyes and returned to form under LVG but that had more to do with Moyes I imagine.
Those three might have improved, but still not particularly good players. Carrick is ageing and doing what Carrick does, good season, bad season.
He needs to go; these are my reasons.
Relegation form: This is a non brainier, but 4 wins in the last 13 games is completely inexcusable.
Unbalanced team: Van Gaal inherited a team that was top heavy and now has one that is short on fire power; his restructuring of the squad could have had a little bit more balance. In particular I'm convinced he should have kept at least Hernandez and Nani.
Tactical inflexibility: Another no brainier. Why the constant fecking possession based football and Fellaini plan B? Is this all he has? Is it too much to suggest that he has been found out ? and this leads to
Piss Poor Substitutions: Nick fecking Powell.
Ultra Defensive Football: No one minds when playing defensive away against Barca in the Champions League Semi Final. But at home when we need a win against PSV? With his style of play it is not shocking that he has the best defensive football. This is not the Man United way, hell any team in the division with this rubbish football would be criticized.
Blind, damaging, loyalty: Not dropping or fairly criticizing Wayne Rooney when other players are dropped for seemingly no reason.
James Wilson & Adnan Januzaj: Our best young home grown players in an area of the squad where we are ultra thing, why do they get no chances this season? Did Januzaj ever get the chances like Lingard? Why send Januzaj to a team where he no proper chances when he scored in his first game for us?
Saying the wrong things in the press conference: We gave Moyes hell for managing expectations, Van Gaal is doing the same thing right now. He claimed it was significant that we improved in the League Cup. fecking really? He has lost it.
Piss poor performances in knock out competition: Barely beating lower league opposition if even that, crashing out on a whimper to the likes of Arsenal, PSV and Wolfsburg.
He has a history of fecking up: He did not get fired from Bayern and Barca for no reason. The same things we are seeing were happening there. They did not stick, neither should we.
Cowardly football leads to impotence when attacking: Seriously, when was the last time we were a constant, menacing attack ?
Mismanaging Di Maria.
Not signing a non-injury prone center back.
For being a minute away from going into the season with Sergio Romero being our Number one.
Relegation form: This is a non brainier, but 4 wins in the last 13 games is completely inexcusable.
Unbalanced team: Van Gaal inherited a team that was top heavy and now has one that is short on fire power; his restructuring of the squad could have had a little bit more balance. In particular I'm convinced he should have kept at least Hernandez and Nani.
Tactical inflexibility: Another no brainier. Why the constant fecking possession based football and Fellaini plan B? Is this all he has? Is it too much to suggest that he has been found out ? and this leads to
Piss Poor Substitutions: Nick fecking Powell.
Ultra Defensive Football: No one minds when playing defensive away against Barca in the Champions League Semi Final. But at home when we need a win against PSV? With his style of play it is not shocking that he has the best defensive football. This is not the Man United way, hell any team in the division with this rubbish football would be criticized.
Blind, damaging, loyalty: Not dropping or fairly criticizing Wayne Rooney when other players are dropped for seemingly no reason.
James Wilson & Adnan Januzaj: Our best young home grown players in an area of the squad where we are ultra thing, why do they get no chances this season? Did Januzaj ever get the chances like Lingard? Why send Januzaj to a team where he no proper chances when he scored in his first game for us?
Saying the wrong things in the press conference: We gave Moyes hell for managing expectations, Van Gaal is doing the same thing right now. He claimed it was significant that we improved in the League Cup. fecking really? He has lost it.
Piss poor performances in knock out competition: Barely beating lower league opposition if even that, crashing out on a whimper to the likes of Arsenal, PSV and Wolfsburg.
He has a history of fecking up: He did not get fired from Bayern and Barca for no reason. The same things we are seeing were happening there. They did not stick, neither should we.
Cowardly football leads to impotence when attacking: Seriously, when was the last time we were a constant, menacing attack ?
Mismanaging Di Maria.
Not signing a non-injury prone center back.
For being a minute away from going into the season with Sergio Romero being our Number one.
Con?
I don't think anyone expected him to come in and create exciting stuff straight away.
He's been hired to steady the ship, fix the squad and leave a platform to the next guy (apparently Giggs).
He's done that.
Many can argue with the style of the football, but he hit his performance target in the first year and there's every chance he'll hit it again this year.
The CL was disappointing, and our recent form isn't great, but there's nothing to suggest he won't recover and have a decent season.
He's bought quite a few players that we are all excited about - Shaw, Herrera, Martial, Memphis
He's allowed some of the youth players to get games.
Sure, the football hasn't been pleasing to watch, but he's not conning us for a salary.
Wings must be sweating it now.
I wake up and he hasn't been sacked yet? I truly hope someone in high management of our club understands how bad of a team LVG has made us. He has got to go. Wasted massive money and now our rebuilding will have to begin anew.
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I have no faith in our management tbf.
I don't think the rebuilding needs starting all over again, but thanks to LvG there are still a lot of additions needed. More than he seems to realise. The squad being so thin is entirely down to him, the buck stops there. Also he had experienced players on the bench yesterday. Why did Young not play. if Morgan and Phil were just bench fillers he might as well have put two more kids on the bench.
Also he has no man management skills. He is quick to criticise players, yet will only praise the kids. Do the senior professional not want praise now and again, they are human beings just like the rest of us. Some might need a kick up the arse, some need their confidence building. He says he is a human person, I am not sure he how to deal with different personalities at all.
I'm just clutching at straws here. We will be more solid when our injured players return, but any attack based on Mata, Lingard, Rooney, and Memphis will struggle to make an impact. At least we should try to get Mane or Mahrez and a striker in January, but it will be difficult.
Wasn't there a Dr character on here who claimed that LVG was a better manager than Ferguson?
Is he still around?
Is he still around?
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