While I agree with most of what you said Romero was never going to be our number 1 for the season. Remember Navas was going to be part of the deal.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Personally, I believe we should as a club be looking to pro-actively to rescue the season rather than cross our fingers and hope he gets his shit together. This means sacking him and bringing in Ancelotti.
Damn right it will. No way those clubs are selling their best players mid way through the season. Doesn't matter how much money you throw at them.
This is what scares me also. The owners don't know the first thing about the sport. They might not have any idea about how bad we have become since SAF left. Surely there are people who know the game and what is expected that have direct access to the owners phones? Maybe Fergie? I don't know but this is certainly the downside of have owners that are in it ONLY as a business. They don't have the passion about the game. As long as the money continues to roll in they may not give a damn.
what if we had won yesterday and were top of the league with half our team yet to come back in and a january transfer window ahead, would it still be about salvaging something?
Falcao
Di Maria
Bastian
Memphis
Darmian
Mata(??)
Rojo
Romero
Blind
Herrera
Fellaini
Have been poor to average. Anyone else?
Shaw looked amazing and Martial has bags of potential. The rest? Not good at all.
This proves money doesn't equate to guaranteed success.
Di Maria
Bastian
Memphis
Darmian
Mata(??)
Rojo
Romero
Blind
Herrera
Fellaini
Have been poor to average. Anyone else?
Shaw looked amazing and Martial has bags of potential. The rest? Not good at all.
This proves money doesn't equate to guaranteed success.
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I think the bastian criticism is way over done, our defence has looked very solid while players were fit and he doesn't lose the ball ever, surely that's his remit in that deep role?
And a bit harsh on darmian too, who will have to settle in, but at times has looked unbelievable.
Obviously memphis needs to settle in too, but hard to argue that he hasn't be disappointing given that we didn't sign any first team senior wingers
You make it sound like HIV-positive...
Why bring up that scenario when we were nowhere close to winning the game?. And do you think all this meltdown is just about this one game?. Its constant disappointment this whole season which has pushed many fans over the edge
no we weren't close at all, but we had a makeshift defence and might have been close if we had a proper defence... obviously that is LVG and woodwards fault for not putting together a proper squad, but just wondering if we had smalling and a rb/lb and won the game comfortably, even if it was a snooze fest, and were top of the league, would it still be about salvaging something from the season?
Either you've left Fellaini off or you didn't mean to list Mata?
That's a bad argument considering that even with a fully fit squad we have struggled to win games.
What if you think about it the other way around?. What if we had a fully fit squad and lost yesterday, what then?? will that still be the fault of the squad??
And why is Woodword being used as a scapegoat for LVG?
Bournemouth have plenty of injuries too. And we had basically our full strength attack against a side that had conceded 30 in 15.
Bastian won't get better, he's what 31? Darmian looked great for the first few weeks but looks remarkably poor now.
Ahh Fellaini. Mata has been decent but nothing special.
how were we struggling to win games if we would have been top yesterday with a win? That is confusing
are you trying to say that the squad isn't thin?
and how am i scape goating woodward? the squad issues are clearly both of their faults. LVG says I think i need such and such a player, woodward goes and tries to get it done. Last year we had 0 net spend until september and then bought a teenager for 36m. doesnt sound like woodward is getting the targets, but it is clearly both of their faults that this squad is thin and attack is weak. Or are you saying the squad is fine and the attacking players are strong?
we started with varela mcnair and cameron whatever and a midfielder in the back 4. Are you seriously saying that that is a defence that should be at the top of the premiership
Didn't say he would get better, think it's overdone, his job is to sit deep, shield defence, keep the ball. When our defence isn't comprised of kids it is the best in the league, as we have seen, and he never gives the ball away.
Maybe people want him to create a load of chances, but Im not sure that is the role of an LVG sitting midfielder, not sure it ever has been
It's irritating because we are still in the title race (just about). At the same time we are more likely to miss out on the top 4.
With our current form I think we are certain to miss out on the top 4.
The question is, do we trust LvG to turn it around in time (and probably get rid of him even if we do scrape it) or do we let someone else try and turn it around while we still have the chance?
The fact that we are even discussing making the top 4 yet again, shows how little we have progressed as a club since last year.
With our current form I think we are certain to miss out on the top 4.
The question is, do we trust LvG to turn it around in time (and probably get rid of him even if we do scrape it) or do we let someone else try and turn it around while we still have the chance?
The fact that we are even discussing making the top 4 yet again, shows how little we have progressed as a club since last year.
Stats aren't everything but while our style may have changed any progress in terms of results and bringing the best out of players tends to have well and truly stagnated. We are harder to beat without actually being that hard to beat and this has become increasingly obvious now that any luck seems to have deserted the team.
This season:
26 games, 13 wins, 8 draws (in normal time), 5 defeats, 38 goals for, 20 goals ag.
50% win, 19.2% loss, 1.46 goals scored/game, 0.77 goals conceded/game (+0.69 goals/game).
29 points from 16 PL games, 1.81 points/game (en route to 68-69 points).
Last season:
44 games, 23 wins, 11 draws, 10 defeats, 71 goals for, 44 goals ag.
52.3% win, 22.7% loss, 1.61 goals scored/game, 1 goals conceded/game (+0.61 goals/game).
70 points from 38 PL games, 1.84 points/game.
2013-14 season:
54 games, 27 wins, 11 draws (in normal time), 16 defeats, 92 goals for, 57 goals ag.
50% win, 29.6% loss, 1.70 goals scored/game, 1.06 goals conceded/game (+0.64 goals/game).
64 points from 38 PL games, 1.68 points/game.
I had high hopes for LVG but we have had one to many false dawns and I am left with little faith that he will ever turn it round. Barring a miracle I'd bin him at the end of the season and get someone in the seat for early June.
This season:
26 games, 13 wins, 8 draws (in normal time), 5 defeats, 38 goals for, 20 goals ag.
50% win, 19.2% loss, 1.46 goals scored/game, 0.77 goals conceded/game (+0.69 goals/game).
29 points from 16 PL games, 1.81 points/game (en route to 68-69 points).
Last season:
44 games, 23 wins, 11 draws, 10 defeats, 71 goals for, 44 goals ag.
52.3% win, 22.7% loss, 1.61 goals scored/game, 1 goals conceded/game (+0.61 goals/game).
70 points from 38 PL games, 1.84 points/game.
2013-14 season:
54 games, 27 wins, 11 draws (in normal time), 16 defeats, 92 goals for, 57 goals ag.
50% win, 29.6% loss, 1.70 goals scored/game, 1.06 goals conceded/game (+0.64 goals/game).
64 points from 38 PL games, 1.68 points/game.
I had high hopes for LVG but we have had one to many false dawns and I am left with little faith that he will ever turn it round. Barring a miracle I'd bin him at the end of the season and get someone in the seat for early June.
Of course they know we missed out on the C.L last year and are in danger of doing it again.
At least one of them, Joel maybe?, is a huge football fan, so he's likely to understand the contrast to before Sir Alex retired.
They'd want us to win and compete for trophies so that the club can continue to generate huge incomes, to argue they'll be happy to see us in the current position is unlikely imo.
Why gamble on the future of your biggest asset when you have the means to be successful?
There are no footballing reasons to keep this man as the manager of this football club. None at all.
I'd maybe understand if the options we could bring in were poor but Ancelotti is sitting somewhere, basking in the sun and sipping on Alaze. Give him a call, its the only course of action that makes sense at this moment int time.
I'd maybe understand if the options we could bring in were poor but Ancelotti is sitting somewhere, basking in the sun and sipping on Alaze. Give him a call, its the only course of action that makes sense at this moment int time.
No. I'm saying even with that defence it is not unreasonable to expect us to outscore Bournemouth
If we're not going to sack him immediately, we may as well keep him till the end of the season. He's been a complete flop since day one. We sat here laughing at the likes of Liverpool and Spurs for wasting millions upon millions on average players, when we're absolutely guilty of the same mistakes. di Maria, Herrera, Rojo, Memphis, Mata, Fellaini Schneiderlin, Bastian and Darmian have all been flops, thus far. Each player (maybe not Rojo) went from a world class/good player to waste of money in the space of a few months. And that is firmly down to the manager. That's discounting the fact that he's let the likes of Hernandez, RvP, Nani, Kagawa, Januzaj, Wilson, Evans and Rafael all go when they may have been useful to us, this season.
Honestly speaking, I'm not surprised by the problems we're facing, at the moment. The moment the transfer window closed and we failed to bring in a striker, winger and a centre back, it wasn't hard to foresee the issues we could be facing by Christmas. The lack of quality in our team is a crime. All this money spent and we can't even beat Bournemouth (wow), in addition to have such a thin squad, most of which are made of glass. Our opening game against Spurs set the tone, for me. A summer had passed, 100 million was spent and we continued from where we left of at Hull, the season before. Boring, dull, unimaginative and, quite simply, crap.
As for the improvements:
14/15: PL 16; W 9; D 4; L 3; GF 29; GA 17; Points 31 ~ 5 goals were conceded in the freak game against Leicester.
15/16: PL 16; W 8; D 5; L 3; GF 21; GA 12; Points 29
We've already started declining before we started improving.
Honestly speaking, I'm not surprised by the problems we're facing, at the moment. The moment the transfer window closed and we failed to bring in a striker, winger and a centre back, it wasn't hard to foresee the issues we could be facing by Christmas. The lack of quality in our team is a crime. All this money spent and we can't even beat Bournemouth (wow), in addition to have such a thin squad, most of which are made of glass. Our opening game against Spurs set the tone, for me. A summer had passed, 100 million was spent and we continued from where we left of at Hull, the season before. Boring, dull, unimaginative and, quite simply, crap.
As for the improvements:
14/15: PL 16; W 9; D 4; L 3; GF 29; GA 17; Points 31 ~ 5 goals were conceded in the freak game against Leicester.
15/16: PL 16; W 8; D 5; L 3; GF 21; GA 12; Points 29
We've already started declining before we started improving.
There would be less stigma involved in that.
Give him an extension. Otherwise the squad will not respect him going into his final year.
What a stupid list.
Aye, terrible list in truth.
Has a single one of them played to the level they are capable playing at, under LvG?
He checked it twice.
That wasn't your point though, was it? You said we'd wasted money on average players under LVG which is just demonstrably untrue.
You've then got two players signed by Moyes and four players that have been here virtually no time whatsoever; I know in modern football you're considered a flop if you don't score a hat-trick on debut, but its ridiculously quick to write off those players. The only 3 that I think its actually fair to judge as LVG signings are Rojo, Herrara and Di Maria, one whom is widely considered one of our best players, the other a little baby, and Rojo I dunno.
I think the one thing LVG has done well is built the foundations of a good squad. Yes its a little short around the edges, and its definitely not without its problems. But we've been through this a lot (not necessarily you and me, the Caf as the whole) and there is a pretty broad consensus that not many, if any, of the players we've let go would get back into the side. Ergo, it must be true that he's bought a good quality of player.
Do I think LVG should be getting more out of them? Yeah, of course, but thats a different thing from thinking that he's bought a string of duds. I have no doubt in my mind that we've got the basis of a title winning side here, one that can win the league without the genius of Ferguson. I no longer think that LVG can take that step with this side, but we've got something now. Should we have got more for what we spent? Maybe (but its not LVG's job, that) and should he have been able to turn us around quicker with less upheaval? Again, maybe, but I think very low down on my list of criticisms is the quality of player we've bought which has, on the whole, been rather good.
He says expectations are too high. I suppose he is right. We all expected 0-0 draws and now we don't even get those.
I still don't want him sacked. But it is a bit worrying how we've gone from
"I'm sure we'll make history" to
"Give me 3 months" to
"Give me a year" to
"Give me 3 years" to
"Your expectations are too high" to
"Success isn't guaranteed."
Just want our players fit and some confidence back really. Try and salvage something from this wreck of a season.
"I'm sure we'll make history" to
"Give me 3 months" to
"Give me a year" to
"Give me 3 years" to
"Your expectations are too high" to
"Success isn't guaranteed."
Just want our players fit and some confidence back really. Try and salvage something from this wreck of a season.
What is keeping him here is that we don't want to be seen sacking another manager quite early on in his contract which I do understand.
It's not that early into his contract though, is it? He's basically half way through and he's not delivered.
How many 0.0 bore draws and defeats do we have to sit through before we get rid of him? When is enough really enough? Because I've certainly had enough. The best thing for us is to lose to Norwich at home so that the board finally pulls the trigger. I don't want us to limp to a 1.0 or a 2.1 win. I am sick of our 1 goal-a-game average for this season and our past-it manager's excuses, and our has-been captain who will walk straight back into the team once he's done scoffing toffees in the stand.
I would add Schneiderlin... And Nick F***ing Powell.
Evans was also crap last season and McNair is slowly getting worse.
With Christmas approaching, maybe we should remember the teachings of Jesus Christ, and forgive those who have wronged us or let us down. Perhaps now is the time to get behind Van Gaal, separately we are weak, but together we are strong.
Well somebody had to try and be positive you miserable shits
Well somebody had to try and be positive you miserable shits
Or we could take a lesson from the Romans and crucify him.
Well I don't know about you, but I'm not buying him anything for Christmas.
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