I just can't believe the joker is still in a job, I had a feeling we would lose today after seeing the shambolic display against Watford.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Yes it is often exaggerated like my original post but nearly two seasons now he has been amazing and saved us a fair few points. I think if it wasn't for Neuer and his outfield interceptions our Dave would be the worlds best. If you look at his save ratio against our lack of shots and goals we would be in a lower league position for sure.
I think if our style of play changed drastically and a few top outfield additions having a lesser keeper would not hinder us much should he finally go to Real.
It's not a criticism of De Gea. You just have to look at Arsenal, Cech is vastly superior to his predecessors but he isn't making a huge difference.
If we had those three, they probably wouldn't be performing anywhere near the level they're currently doing at Leicester, so I'm inclined to agree with you
That's exactly the point. It's been a few years now that I feel we're not as good as the sum of our parts, nowhere near. Good players join us and turn to crap.
Re: Navas. Potential problem there was that he - apparently - wasn't keen on leaving at all. So, while he's a (very) good keeper, the psychological factor could've been a problem if he had been basically shipped out against his will to make room for DDG.
Van Gaal's record against British managers is abysmal:
vs Pulis: 2 defeats, 1 win
vs Howe: 1 defeat
vs Dyche: 1 win, 1 draw
vs Allardyce: 1 win, 1 draw, 1 defeat
vs Alex Neil: 1 defeat
vs Redknapp: 2 wins
vs Pearson: 1 win, 1 defeat
vs Lambert: 1 win, 1 draw
vs Sherwood: 1 win
vs Rodgers: 3 wins
vs Pardew: 2 wins, 1 draw
vs McClaren: 1 draw
vs Irvine: 1 draw
vs Bruce: 1 win, 1 draw
vs Monk: 3 defeats
vs Hughes: 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat
vs Karl Robinson: 1 defeat
16 wins, 8 draws and 11 defeats
Statistics are selective and whatnot but surely that's an indictment on how he'll never get success in the league since his philosophy is completely trounced on by managers of lesser clubs who know what to expect and just play off that. Sit deep, everyone stay in shape and they know we don't have the ideas to make them work. Note: NOT BREAK THEM DOWN, MAKE THEM WORK!!
How often do teams actually defend well against us? Bodies on the line, last ditch tackles, goal line blocks. Rarely because we don't ask the questions. They're just in a line knowing we'll get up the pitch to a point and run out of ideas. They just need to keep the shape.
LvG's philosophy has had success elsewhere we had the technical quality in his players to be comfortable with the ball and who had the intelligence to make the right decisions, and at good speed. We don't. Hence why our possession game is so tepid. As well as that, in the English game aggression and closing down is far more in use so coupled together we are our own enemy. English football is lacking in technical and tactical quality. The one guy he beat every time was Rodgers who favours continental style rather than your typical English style. But it's not Van Gaal's job to solve that. Younger coaches like Pochettino, Klopp and Pep will have more time ahead of them to make their stamp on English football. Van Gaal was given 3 years to make his stamp on Manchester United. He has failed. And he has been his own worst enemy.
vs Pulis: 2 defeats, 1 win
vs Howe: 1 defeat
vs Dyche: 1 win, 1 draw
vs Allardyce: 1 win, 1 draw, 1 defeat
vs Alex Neil: 1 defeat
vs Redknapp: 2 wins
vs Pearson: 1 win, 1 defeat
vs Lambert: 1 win, 1 draw
vs Sherwood: 1 win
vs Rodgers: 3 wins
vs Pardew: 2 wins, 1 draw
vs McClaren: 1 draw
vs Irvine: 1 draw
vs Bruce: 1 win, 1 draw
vs Monk: 3 defeats
vs Hughes: 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat
vs Karl Robinson: 1 defeat
16 wins, 8 draws and 11 defeats
Statistics are selective and whatnot but surely that's an indictment on how he'll never get success in the league since his philosophy is completely trounced on by managers of lesser clubs who know what to expect and just play off that. Sit deep, everyone stay in shape and they know we don't have the ideas to make them work. Note: NOT BREAK THEM DOWN, MAKE THEM WORK!!
How often do teams actually defend well against us? Bodies on the line, last ditch tackles, goal line blocks. Rarely because we don't ask the questions. They're just in a line knowing we'll get up the pitch to a point and run out of ideas. They just need to keep the shape.
LvG's philosophy has had success elsewhere we had the technical quality in his players to be comfortable with the ball and who had the intelligence to make the right decisions, and at good speed. We don't. Hence why our possession game is so tepid. As well as that, in the English game aggression and closing down is far more in use so coupled together we are our own enemy. English football is lacking in technical and tactical quality. The one guy he beat every time was Rodgers who favours continental style rather than your typical English style. But it's not Van Gaal's job to solve that. Younger coaches like Pochettino, Klopp and Pep will have more time ahead of them to make their stamp on English football. Van Gaal was given 3 years to make his stamp on Manchester United. He has failed. And he has been his own worst enemy.
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We can look forward to next season. This season is done.
I dont understand, many teams get red cards, and can go on to win games, or have no problem scoring when 10 men down, but once we go 10 men down, for a few years now, we can`t do absolutely nothing, and get overun and you know, we arent getting anything from a game
6 more voters have returned to the dark side 
(until we win again...)
(until we win again...)6 more voters have returned to the dark side
People are scared to stand by their opinions.
Manchester United's next 6 games:
Liverpool (A) - Europa League
West Ham (H) - FA Cup
Liverpool (H) - Europa League
Man City (A) - Premier League
Everton (H) - Premier League
Spurs (A) - Premier League
Good bye Louis.
Liverpool (A) - Europa League
West Ham (H) - FA Cup
Liverpool (H) - Europa League
Man City (A) - Premier League
Everton (H) - Premier League
Spurs (A) - Premier League
Good bye Louis.
We are not sacking him. He's ere tell the end of the season.
Let's just enjoy the rest of his reign until the end of the season
Then the caf can start practicing moaning about Mourinho when he comes in the summer
Then the caf can start practicing moaning about Mourinho when he comes in the summer
Those aren't the games that will sack him. Ironically he does well against Liverpool and city. West Ham he might struggle, Everton draw and Spurs to win
In a season of utter shite where our performances and results have been consistently awful for the most part, where we've been embarrassingly knocked out of the CL, gone backwards from last season, lost to some putrid teams, had countless out of form players and gutless efforts all under a stubborn, out of date manager on the verge of retirement how any one or two games could change somebody's opinion from'get rid right this second' to 'maybe give him another season, how low can we go!' is utterly beyond me. In all the talk of building foundations and focusing on the future the same cohort espousing this claptrap are the first to be 'swayed' so quickly by one game where we weren't god-awful, just ignoring the long term implications of maintaining a failed managerial reign in favour of hoping we maybe sneak into the top 4 or whatever else. Just nonsensical.6 more voters have returned to the dark side
I hate changing managers mid season like the plague and I stuck with Louis for as long as I could, but today was one idiotic decision too many, I'm now for sacking him at any moment, even if we miraculously get top 4 and win the EL.
I've been on better rollercoasters at Blackpool so far.
It's like we never learned from the Di Maria debacle.
I know the "he's great, give him an extension" option is voted for by a lot of oppo fans - but there's a fair few united fans in there.
What I can't understand is if they're just too lazy to change their vote, trying to be ironic/summery or if they truly believe that shit? Even twiggin bonkers didn't vote that option.
What I can't understand is if they're just too lazy to change their vote, trying to be ironic/summery or if they truly believe that shit? Even twiggin bonkers didn't vote that option.
I could quote 99% of the posts in the last few pages but scorpys and Marlowes sum it up for me.
We are firmly and resolutely a mid table club. LVG has completely castrated our belief and desire. Been saying since pretty much the start of this season that we are about right for a 7th place finish and I am looking more and more correct every passing day. We will NEVER win anything under LVG. I can only hope that our owners and board realize how bad of management it is to have 2 years of control and how many countless millions of pounds to spend on new players to finish as low as we will this season. What a disgrace. LVG has been found out for a long time for what he is...a very old dinosaur enjoying a big pay out at our expense.
I think we underestimate just how good SAF was, if that is possible.
Sure, we are crap at the moment but only the same as before SAF came.
Sure, we are crap at the moment but only the same as before SAF came.
I think we underestimate just how poor the decision making at our club is.
Twice we have had to replace a long term manager, twice we have failed.
People fear that we might do a Liverpool. I fear that we are doing a United post Sir Matt all over again.
Van Gaal is our Sexton, dour football to boot too.
He knew how to win, he knew how to get his team to fight, he knew how to balance the domestic conditions with extra talent for Europe. He was an incredible man manager who didn't cast off man management slam dunks like Danny Welbeck, Chicharito and Darren Fletcher. Regardless of how good or bad they are, they arguments hold a lot of weight to just how deplorable his man management is. The balance of the squad starts from the ground up, making your Welbecks feel like world beaters is a lot more productive than making your Di Maria's play with more discipline.
Up to 1970, it could be argued that Everton were the big Merseyside club.
Now everyone is scared we will do a Liverpool. At least they are still the number one club as far as the Merseyside are goes.
We are in danger of slipping and doing an Everton; i.e. being in in our neighbour's (City's) shadows. [edited]
The problems at United are deeper than just changing the manager, the real problem is with the Glazers.
They were very, very lucky that when they took over, we had SAF.
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This is very true.
SAF would generally beat teams outside the top four. So even if did loose to our immediate rivals, usually it wouldn't be too damaging.
LVG however seems to do opposite. He doesn't know how to beat teams that on paper we should be beating.
I have opinion that he still hasn't come to terms with the EPL and I don't think ever will.
Had LVG and his equally inept assistant resigned yet?
Because we don't have a style divisible by the league. We don't go out and steamroll the league playing in an agressive and forward-thinking manner and stick to that. We set up to whatever team we're playing. If you're a pub clogger who punts the ball up, we seem to set up for it and devolve the game into a slog. If you love sitting back, we'll devolve the game into passing it around waiting for you to crack. It's like the interrogation equation. Do you break their spirit or their body first?
I think it is pretty obvious he has to do things "his way" otherwise what is the point? What is the point of going to work as a bus driver when all you do is sit in the front row while somebody else drives?
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I'm behind the team always - game in game out. But I'm done with him. It's not working and there's no easy fix.
Liverpool are only 3 points behind us, can you imagine the carnage if they finish above us. I still think we can scrap 4th, but we need to be smart, to be honest Mata getting a red card shouldn't of mattered too much. Plus we really shouldn't be in this position we really should be in 1st considering the money we spent. No way Leicester and Spurs are a better team, but they do possess a better manager.
They have a game in hand too don't forget so we're probably looking at just a slightly superior GD
At what point have we really "scrapped" for anything though? Seems like any time there is a scrap in order we fold faster than superman on laundry day. I was really disappointed last season how we sat perched for a pretty big finish to the end of the season only to pancake and fall flat on our face and in truth, got a little bit lucky we didn't fall out of the top four.
Scrap and this Van Gaal era are chalk and cheese in my opinion.
Yeah, I went for a 1-1 draw on my score prediction. I definitely didn't see us winning after that display against Watford. I was surprised at how many on here had us down to win. Normal service is most definitely resumed.
I don't get how you or anyone believe we can still scrape fourth. Man City are three points clear and have a game in hand V Newcastle. They have a hugely superior goal difference and we visit the ethiad. Arsenal are 5 points clear of us with a better goal difference and always finish top 4. Spurs are 8 Points clear of us and we still go to the lane to play them with our awful away form and lack of shots. Leicester are miles ahead. There are 9 games left and we have a 45% win ratio in the league lower than anyone in the top four, we also score a lot less goals too. Yes it's mathematically possible but it's no happening. I doubt we will even finish as high as 5th.
Thats a scary thought for us.
I think the management decision making is extremely poor, and the current Exco doesnt feel me with much hope. We had so many years to prepare for Sir Alex's departure, and we still messed it up.
Woodward is a Glazer man, so he is relatively safe no matter what happens.
They just finished ahead of us in 2014 and missed out last year due to late collapse. I don't think we are a better team than them at the minute at all and after Summer when Klopp has made his transfers and we have inevitably bought players we do not need to appease van Gaal so he has someone to bench, I think they will be better than us.
4th is gone and I don't believe we are capable of winning Europa League either. I don't worry too much though considering the level of our performances this season in CL.
Not this again when its clear that these guys delegate much of the day to day management to guys who are supposed to know what they are doing. The men they have entrusted with decision making authority have got every key decision wrong since aroind 2010. The problems we have run deeper than the manager of the day, granted, but to lay it all on the ownership is being too kind on Woodward, Fergie, Gill and Charlton.
People look at investment in the squad but the question is, when looking at Arsenal/Spurs nevermind Leicester and teams like Dortmund, you have to ask could we habe used the money better? We spent £20m on Jones at a time when half of that could have bought a more reliable option and thatls before considering that we let go of O'shea, very useful player! Gave Roney an undeserved contract on the back of a suicidal managerial appointment, how about selling Evans so that we could play Blind at LCB...Welbeck for Falcao etc. That's just me scratching the surface.
If we took time to assess the amounts Fergie spent on players like Tosic, Jones, Butner, Diouf,Young and Obertan and pool it together you'd find that a club like Bayern would have spent the equivalent on three players that have gone on to become key players. And that's just Fergie, winner never mind the frauds that followed them. Ours is a technical problem where we are failing to identify the right kind of player and succesfully recruit them. And now we have shown a comolete inability to identify the right manager.
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