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Spoony said:
It's not clear cut though is it, I suspect he still maybe in charge next season. Mourinho's simply too divisive, which leaves us with either Giggs or Louis.

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I refuse to accept we are limited to those three options - or that Woodward sees it that way.

Itll be Mourinho anyway, but even if it isnt, that doesnt mean we have to choose between a failure and a novice. It would be truly scandalous if we were run by people so utterly devoid of ideas.
 
K2K said:
As much as I think he is a poor manager, I still wouldnt fire him now, but would rather let go at season end.

We had the perfect chance to let go in Dec and didnt take it. We are on course for our worst points ever tally, and I doubt any manager worth their salt will want to come in now.

I just hope we have already agreed to bring in someone new, and are already deep in planning for the next season,especially this being a Euro summer.

As for this season, I thought it was a lost cause the moment we decided to keep this man in the midst of that horrific run. Its just been a slowburn to what most of us saw coming.
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I just don't see the point in keeping him any longer, as soon as he's gone I'm convinced 90% of our players will be relieved and come out from under that cloud he's got them under and then we will see more of how good they actually are which will help us decide on ins and outs, so the longer we have to do this the better.

If he went today I'd have more confidence in the next crucial games than what I do now, which is basically just a flip of a coin how we perform .
 
Adebesi said:
I refuse to accept we are limited to those three options - or that Woodward sees it that way.

Itll be Mourinho anyway, but even if it isnt, that doesnt mean we have to choose between a failure and a novice. It would be truly scandalous if we were run by people so utterly devoid of ideas.
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We'll see. I suspect there are a few directors who are in disagreement over the possible appointment of Mourinho. Christ, I hope some behind the scenes don't get their way to give Giggs the job.
 
Spoony said:
We'll see. I suspect there are a few directors who are in disagreement over the possible appointment of Mourinho. Christ, I hope some behind the scenes don't get their way to give Giggs the job.
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If they are stupid enough to appoint Giggs and it doesn't work, then the ire of the fans will fall firmly on the board. What is the point of a manager who will need his hand holding every step of the way.
 
Spoony said:
We'll see. I suspect there are a few directors who are in disagreement over the possible appointment of Mourinho. Christ, I hope some behind the scenes don't get their way to give Giggs the job.
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Well that is the story we hear fairly consistently and I wouldnt be surprised if it was true. But the people who may be against it dont necessarily have that much actual say, so they may not be able to block it. Or, you know, Woodward could do something to earn his salary and pull a rabbit out of the hat with some other candidate. Maybe someone who doesnt tick all the boxes, but if the choice is between Giggs and Van Gaal we are well beyond worrying about ticking all boxes, just ticking a few would be a start (there is no "knows the club inside out" box on my list).
 
Adebesi said:
It would be truly scandalous if we were run by people so utterly devoid of ideas.
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I agree - and I honestly don't think it's the case either.

But we could be run by people who are sticking to a certain idea they've completely fallen for. And that would be slightly different.

Put it like this, if we stick with LVG now it won't be because it's either that or Maureen. It'll be because we're hellbent on seeing the LVG-to-Giggs transition/scheme through.

Possibly. I've no idea, really - but it would be odd if there was nothing to the Giggs talk we've had for several years now.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If they are stupid enough to appoint Giggs and it doesn't work, then the ire of the fans will fall firmly on the board. What is the point of a manager who will need his hand holding every step of the way.
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Funnily enough, after we all saw what RI had to say on the matter, I was reading the latest issue of UWS at the weekend and they're saying Charlton is the one most against Mourinho. Regardless of who it is, I think we can safely assume now, at this stage, there is an anti Mourinho feeling in the boardroom.

Funny story about the players trying to use the indoor pitch at Carrington too in this month's issue :D
 
.Rossi said:
Funnily enough, after we all saw what RI had to say on the matter, I was reading the latest issue of UWS at the weekend and they're saying Charlton is the one most against Mourinho. Regardless of who it is, I think we can safely assume now, at this stage, there is an anti Mourinho feeling in the boardroom.

Funny story about the players trying to use the indoor pitch at Carrington too in this month's issue :D
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RI gets a lot of flack - and got dogs abuse on here for what they've said on the current boardroom split. However, every fanzine that covers Utd are saying the same thing. Now, we can debate whether they're right or wrong and we will never truly know, but its certainly not just RI peddling the anti-Mourinho Ferguson/Charlton stories.

And yes....funny story. Except its actually not and a sad fecking state of affairs at that.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I agree - and I honestly don't think it's the case either.

But we could be run by people who are sticking to a certain idea they've completely fallen for. And that would be slightly different.

Put it like this, if we stick with LVG now it won't be because it's either that or Maureen. It'll be because we're hellbent on seeing the LVG-to-Giggs transition/scheme through.

Possibly. I've no idea, really - but it would be odd if there was nothing to the Giggs talk we've had for several years now.
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It would be a different kind of idiocy, that is true. One I am equally unwilling to assume Woodward will be guilty of, until I am proven wrong.

Football is a goldfish bowl, a small and incestuous world where everyone knows each other, where there is enormous media interest and zero transparency, meaning journalists have to feed off any old titbits thrown to them by people inside that world, regardless of what access or influence or insight they have. So that is, I assume, the source of the Giggs stories. His friends and maybe even (though I even doubt this because it is so irrational) his mentor want it and so they bang on about it and the copy writes itself. But for the person whose job is to make the club successful it makes no sense at all and I have to assume he is inclined to make rational decisions.

But yeah, who knows I could be completely wrong. On two different counts, actually. Maybe Woodward is completely clueless and will think this is a good idea. Or maybe it actually IS a good idea and Im the one who's clueless. Both absolutely possible. If its the latter Ill be very happy to be proved wrong, as I so often am.
 
LonelyFire said:
RI gets a lot of flack - and got dogs abuse on here for what they've said on the current boardroom split. However, every fanzine that covers Utd are saying the same thing. Now, we can debate whether they're right or wrong and we will never truly know, but its certainly not just RI peddling the anti-Mourinho Ferguson/Charlton stories.

And yes....funny story. Except its actually not and a sad fecking state of affairs at that.
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Oh no absolutely. It's not just RI and they're not just pulling it out of their arse.

Ha well yeah, I just rolled my eyes when I read it.
 
.Rossi said:
Oh no absolutely. It's not just RI and they're not just pulling it out of their arse.

Ha well yeah, I just rolled my eyes when I read it.
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I know but it just grated on me - its where the club is at. One small line summing up the modern day Manchester United.
 
Adebesi said:
I think I can safely say we all do.

I cant imagine we are happy being a "top 4 contending" club. I can believe the owners might be content being a "comfortably top 4" club, that competed for the title without necessarily winning it that often - like Arsenal. I can see how that model would appeal to owners like the Glazers, in that you get the money for being in the CL, you get the exposure for constantly being up there at the top, even if you dont win, I imagine sponsors would be placated with that and you could exist in that echelon of football without having to spend crazy money - as, again, Arsenal do. But I cant believe Woodward or the owners are content with this.
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Oh yeah, I am sure the owners want top 4. What I mean is that they're happy with that, and just missing out won't be a huge deal if it means keeping LVG another year. It's all conjecture but I've yet to see anything which makes me think he's in danger.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
Not with everything, but the way we've acted towards Van Gaal so far and the apparent lack of ambition we're showing, combined with the fact that Van Gaal seems completely surprised at any speculation around Mourinho etc, and that there has been nothing more than paper talk about him actually being considered for the sack, combine to tell me that we're actually not too unhappy with him.

Woody has called him a genius and seems happy with many of the things he's been doing around the club, he's only got 1 year left and I think they are hoping he'll turn it around so that they can appoint Giggs after he retires on a 'high'. They have always seemed reluctant to appoint Mourinho based on the stereotypes surrounding him and I think they're trying hard to not have to do so but have no other options, so they want to keep LVG and are just praying that he can turn things around.

Also, I feel that we're happy being a 'top 4 contending' club now, so narrowly missing out won't be seen as a huge failure, and getting top 4 would equate to LVG meeting expectations. A narrow failure will likely be tolerated, rather than have to give Mourinho the job.

Just my feeling of course and I hope I'm very wrong!
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I don't quite think this way. While I know nothing about what goes on, the feeling I've gotten from the outside is that there is still division over who comes in next. There is the side that is pushing hard for Giggs (SAF, alumni like Scholes etc.) and there is the opposing side who wants someone other than him and it's impossible for any kind of compromise. So LVG stays in the job until this mess gets sorted, if it ever does. While I've been very critical of Woodward, I do think he might be stuck between a rock and a hard place on dealing with this.

I would not be shocked at all if LVG is still here next season because we've run out of every possible excuse to keep him in the job and yet he's still in place. He is close to being knocked out of all competitions by mid-March and with Guardiola already signed by City, there can no longer be continuity to the playing style or 'philosophy' that he's working on here (and failing at). If you look at how a far superior-run club like Bayern have handled a manager leaving - the fact that Pep won't be out the door until June and they have a new manager already secured - makes how we're going about this look like a joke.
 
marlowe78 said:
I don't quite think this way. While I know nothing about what goes on, the feeling I've gotten from the outside is that there is still division over who comes in next. There is the side that is pushing hard for Giggs (SAF, alumni like Scholes etc.) and there is the opposing side who wants someone other than him and it's impossible for any kind of compromise. So LVG stays in the job until this mess gets sorted, if it ever does. While I've been very critical of Woodward, I do think he might be stuck between a rock and a hard place on dealing with this.

I would not be shocked at all if LVG is still here next season because we've run out of every possible excuse to keep him in the job and yet he's still in place. He is close to being knocked out of all competitions by mid-March and with Guardiola already signed by City, there can no longer be continuity to the playing style or 'philosophy' that he's working on here (and failing at). If you look at how a far superior-run club like Bayern have handled a manager leaving - the fact that Pep won't be out the door until June and they have a new manager already secured - makes how we're going about this look like a joke.
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If LvG is still here next season, we will not be signing the players we need to get us to the next level. Those players will be snapped up by the other big clubs, clubs that the players can see have a plan and are progressing, while we will be in a complete flux.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Problem is he might start finding that the clubs who win trophies sell more shirts.
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Definitely as kids these days are especially fickle and right now we are clearly not turning up trees, we'll always be huge of course but we always had star quality during the Premiership years for sure. Giggs, Beckham, Ronaldo for example were icons. We have no one who fits that bill right now apart from a fading fast Rooney. These things will hit us financially sooner or later as I'm sure some sponsors will start to find other teams more profitable in the short term if we continue to put people in comas and miss out on the CL more frequently.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If LvG is still here next season, we will not be signing the players we need to get us to the next level. Those players will be snapped up by the other big clubs, clubs that the players can see have a plan and are progressing, while we will be in a complete flux.
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I think the odds of LVG being here next season are very very small. There is just no way he will be allowed to continue IMO.
I feel strongly that Jose has already agreed to come next season and we are in the process of acquiring his preferred targets.
 
NJM78 said:
Definitely as kids these days are especially fickle and right now we are clearly not turning up trees, we'll always be huge of course but we always had star quality during the Premiership years for sure. Giggs, Beckham, Ronaldo for example were icons. We have no one who fits that bill right now apart from a fading fast Rooney. These things will hit us financially sooner or later as I'm sure some sponsors will start to find other teams more profitable in the short term if we continue to put people in comas and miss out on the CL more frequently.
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Thats a great point, we aren't doing much to endear us to the upcoming generation. All my nieces/nephews are supporting Barca, Madrid and Bayern.
 
ravi2 said:
Thats a great point, we aren't doing much to endear us to the upcoming generation. All my nieces/nephews are supporting Barca, Madrid and Bayern.
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Same for me, Messi and Ronaldo are footballing gods right now. Two of my nephews love Man City which I do try my hardest to persuade them to revert to the red side but these things happen and most people when they get to a certain age will stick. I only supported United for Mark Hughes as I'm born in Wales plus my Irish dad always used to tell me about the great George Best so United were for me. All my friends in the mid 80s were supporting the top teams at the time Liverpool and Everton....glory hunters all of them, I'm so happy with my choice and for SAF!
 
I go away on holiday for a week starting 15th May (last PL game of the season)

I really hope he is gone by the time I get home
 
spwd said:
I just don't see the point in keeping him any longer, as soon as he's gone I'm convinced 90% of our players will be relieved and come out from under that cloud he's got them under and then we will see more of how good they actually are which will help us decide on ins and outs, so the longer we have to do this the better.

If he went today I'd have more confidence in the next crucial games than what I do now, which is basically just a flip of a coin how we perform .
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I just dont see the board doing anything , so thats led to the resignation that this season will just dwindle out.

I know how much confidence it would give the players (same thing happened at Munich), but I fear we've just run out of games.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
He's clearly here until the summer at the very least. I just hope the stories about Mourinho coming in this June prove to be true.
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We'll somehow manage to fall even deeper into the shitter if the reports turn out to be false, kind of like that scene from Trainspotting when Renton hallucinates that he fully submerges into the toilet.
 
K2K said:
I just dont see the board doing anything , so thats led to the resignation that this season will just dwindle out.

I know how much confidence it would give the players (same thing happened at Munich), but I fear we've just run out of games.
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To me if we go out of the cups, he might as well be sacked. We won't go down so getting rid might give the players a lift. What is the point of having him see out the season? He won't care about how he has them playing. Why would he?
 
What is so funny is people thinking after the recent games we may move forward and do something.

"Title race anyone?" For feck sake :lol:

The Van Gaal era has been one of constant false dawns every few weeks. He will always be stubborn enough to revert back to the dross we saw yesterday despite it cleary having no effect in the Premier League, or in the last 15 years really.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
To me if we go out of the cups, he might as well be sacked. We won't go down so getting rid might give the players a lift. What is the point of having him see out the season? He won't care about how he has them playing. Why would he?
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The players, even when Moyes was sacked, felt some guilt. These are people and top professionals, they thrive on accountability and it always starts and stops with themselves. LVG cares about the people well before the player, so he'll care. Plus, for all of LVG's shortcomings as United manager, he's professional and respectful to what United means. You can't really question his commitment and desire to win with United because he's already managed and won at two of the other largest clubs in the modern world.
 
Offside said:
What is so funny is people thinking after the recent games we may move forward and do something.

"Title race anyone?" For feck sake :lol:

The Van Gaal era has been one of constant false dawns every few weeks. He will always be stubborn enough to revert back to the dross we saw yesterday despite it cleary having no effect in the Premier League, or in the last 15 years really.
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The main word to describe the van Gaal era is one of inconsistent. United cannot afford to lose points because they fell behind so much in December, so the margin for error since Jan. 1 has been slim to none.

And not sure how people can think that yesterday was going to be a stroll in the park against West Brom 11 v 11. It was going to be a dross match regardless. United have difficulties winning with 11 v 11, so it's baffling how people thought that going down a man, away from home should have made it easier/or equal to the task just because a couple teams from the weekend won while being a man down.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
To me if we go out of the cups, he might as well be sacked. We won't go down so getting rid might give the players a lift. What is the point of having him see out the season? He won't care about how he has them playing. Why would he?
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But who do we then bring? I wouldnt bring Giggs in again, and he doesnt seem to want to the job either on a part time basis.

This is his last job in management and he and Woodward are close. I see him staying on for a bit,getting a final farewell at his last O.T game and a amicable parting announced soon after.

Our season is very much done for me, its 9 league and few cup games and we can start worrying about preseason.
 
JPRouve said:
That's a good summary.

And I will add a remark that I already made, the closest thing to SAF that I know is Guy Noves, who was all powerful at Toulouse, last season he decided to leave the club and the first decision that the board took was to divide Noves's job into two jobs, a sporting director and a head coach because they knew that no one will be able to do the job that Noves did.
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Those lads at Toulouse were probably smart enough to study the United Case Study and leant how not to botch a succession.
 
Random Task said:
This the fundamental issue right now.

The Glazers lack of football knowledge and their missguided faith in Fergie led to a decision that haunts the club to this very day. They saw fit to entrust David Moyes, despite his clear lack of managerial experience at the highest level, with the day to day running of one of the biggest clubs on the planet. Following a glowing endorsement by perhaps the greatest manager in the history of the game, how could the decision be incorrect? The infallible SAF simply cannot be wrong, afteral he did win them 10 something trophies since their takeover - plus countless others prior to their arrival - so it stands to reason that this is a man more than capable of choosing his own successor. In Fergie we trust. Naive and foolish Mr Glazer.

Of course in hindsight it was the worst decision in the clubs history and the Glazers, aware of their disasterous mistake in appointing David Moyes, went for the far safer option allowing LVG to secede him. Good appointment at the time, I applauded it myself and had full faith that he would eventually turn the club around and steer us in the right direction. Wrong again. We are at best in a stagnated position, it could be argued that we are even worse off in light of the money spent on transfers and the like. I wouldn't call the LVG appointment a mistake on the boards behalf, more a failure by a man who should have done far better with the near limitless resources he had at his disposal. LVG has no excuse and if harbors any form of self-respect he should resign with dignity before he is sacked. Don't hold your breath though.

The next appointment is anyones guess. I have little to no faith in the board right now, that includes two genuine icons of the club; SAF and Sir Bobby Charlton. Personally I would go for Jose, partly due to the lack of other options but also because he is, despite what his haters may think, in the mould of Fergie himself - a genuine winner at heart and a proper leader of men - something our club is crying out for at this point in time.
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Top post.
 
It is my opinion that Louis van Gaal should resign as manager of Manchester United Football Club.

And destroy Carthage while you're at it.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I go away on holiday for a week starting 15th May (last PL game of the season)

I really hope he is gone by the time I get home
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You might need to ditch the week and take a bloody long holiday to make sure of it mate :D
 
Clearly the board are just counting down the games till the end of the season. Only nine more to put with this crap, etc.
 
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