I bet if Villa only take one more point this season it will be against us.
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Not much he could do about Mata being sent off early on. Just bad luck!
It was bad luck (well, stupidity on Mata's part), and losing when a man down is understandable. But the lack of urgency, creativity and strategy - that's got LvG's fingerprints all over it.
The board and Woodward have a lot to answer for.
Two of three seasons have been a complete waste of time since Ferguson retired. Gross incompetence given our resources to say the least.
Two of three seasons have been a complete waste of time since Ferguson retired. Gross incompetence given our resources to say the least.
You are not far off. Though, he has spent 250m pounds and brought in 13 players in the last two years. It's his squad.
Also, the league is shit at the moment. We should be doing much better even with this squad.
Brendan's stint with you guys was better than this fraud's with us.
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Well 11 days from now we should all know whether we are still in the FA Cup and Europa, I have a strong feeling we'll be out of both and that was before today's shit show. Having our season in the shitter just before facing City away will be fecking awful and LvG will have nowhere to hide if we lose that game too.
I know this is all worse case scenario but could you imagine our season being finished mid March. LvG will have no more excuses then.
I know this is all worse case scenario but could you imagine our season being finished mid March. LvG will have no more excuses then.
Amazingly, since the EPL started we have never spent so much and performed so badly.
This will probably end-up being our worst ever year in terms of points and goals scored.
Not at all good enough.
remained skeptical even when things seemed to have turned around for the zillionth time.
even the win vs watford was very lucky.
even the win vs watford was very lucky.
Great managers come the fore on such occasions.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, he's never going to turn that corner. He'll just continue setting up his sides to play sideways passes in order to keep the ball and eventually turn every match into a one goal game with the hope that we'll be the ones to win it 1-0 or 2-1. If you want to turn the corner, you need to find goals and goals come when your creative/attacking players are being utilized to their strengths and are able to develop a good understanding between them and form good partnerships.
For instance, City base their attacking plays on the Silva-Aguero partnership and they usually add another attacker (KdB or Sterling) with the pace to attack the spaces in the wide areas or behind defenses. Wenger has his inside forwards constantly cut inside with the FBs overlapping and uses his well trained passing game to fill the box with more players (Ramsey or Cazorla). Klopp instructs his players to play on the shoulder of defenders in order to stretch defenses, create space in between the lines and get Firmino and Coutinho in those areas.
What's our plan? We don't have many players with good first touch or decent hold up play and yet we insist on passing the ball to their feet. We don't have the right players to open up tight defenses and yet we insist on trying to work thoroughly our way into the opposition box. We have tonnes of raw pace but we don't play early balls in the final third and we're not looking to get players behind defenders. All we do is give the ball to Martial and hope that he does something productive with it.
People say he'll leave a good passing game behind him when he leaves. Really? Because i believe our players look absolutely terrified whenever the opposition team presses us high. Do you see any calm and smooth passing through the lines, do you see players opening up spaces for their teammates to run with the ball? Because all i see is hoof ball.
I was more than happy when we first appointed him because i believe he's a good manager (still do) but nearly two years in his reign at OT there's only one way to describe our brand of football: farcical. It doesn't work with these footballers and what makes it worse is that LvG doesn't have the power or the will to replace the two biggest earners in the squad who clearly can't perform his style of football at a top level (Rooney-Mata) and the club doesn't have the scouting system to provide him with good solutions in the few positions we need strengthening or improvement.
And this whole "give youth a chance" narrative needs to stop. He's being paid 7.5 million pounds p/s to create a good team in the here and the now, not in ten years time. The fact that many youngsters are given playing time and you can't see many differences in their performances when you compare them with how the senior players are playing speaks a lot about how remarkably bad LvG's initial planning was at the beginning of the season. I'll be happy with the kids in the first team when the first team is performing at a top level and not now that the bar of everyone's expectations has been set so low.
As things stand, it would be criminally insane to give him another season just because the people who run the club have decided that it's going to be Giggs when LvG runs down his contract no matter what. If they don't want Mourinho, so be it but they should at least find a damn good alternative.
For instance, City base their attacking plays on the Silva-Aguero partnership and they usually add another attacker (KdB or Sterling) with the pace to attack the spaces in the wide areas or behind defenses. Wenger has his inside forwards constantly cut inside with the FBs overlapping and uses his well trained passing game to fill the box with more players (Ramsey or Cazorla). Klopp instructs his players to play on the shoulder of defenders in order to stretch defenses, create space in between the lines and get Firmino and Coutinho in those areas.
What's our plan? We don't have many players with good first touch or decent hold up play and yet we insist on passing the ball to their feet. We don't have the right players to open up tight defenses and yet we insist on trying to work thoroughly our way into the opposition box. We have tonnes of raw pace but we don't play early balls in the final third and we're not looking to get players behind defenders. All we do is give the ball to Martial and hope that he does something productive with it.
People say he'll leave a good passing game behind him when he leaves. Really? Because i believe our players look absolutely terrified whenever the opposition team presses us high. Do you see any calm and smooth passing through the lines, do you see players opening up spaces for their teammates to run with the ball? Because all i see is hoof ball.
I was more than happy when we first appointed him because i believe he's a good manager (still do) but nearly two years in his reign at OT there's only one way to describe our brand of football: farcical. It doesn't work with these footballers and what makes it worse is that LvG doesn't have the power or the will to replace the two biggest earners in the squad who clearly can't perform his style of football at a top level (Rooney-Mata) and the club doesn't have the scouting system to provide him with good solutions in the few positions we need strengthening or improvement.
And this whole "give youth a chance" narrative needs to stop. He's being paid 7.5 million pounds p/s to create a good team in the here and the now, not in ten years time. The fact that many youngsters are given playing time and you can't see many differences in their performances when you compare them with how the senior players are playing speaks a lot about how remarkably bad LvG's initial planning was at the beginning of the season. I'll be happy with the kids in the first team when the first team is performing at a top level and not now that the bar of everyone's expectations has been set so low.
As things stand, it would be criminally insane to give him another season just because the people who run the club have decided that it's going to be Giggs when LvG runs down his contract no matter what. If they don't want Mourinho, so be it but they should at least find a damn good alternative.
Some of us are wise enough to realise that managers do fail, and that has nothing to do with their predecessors.
Just like Van Gaal's failures have little to do with Moyes. Especially do the significant changes in personnel and the complete contrast in playing styles.
If Jose does fail after changing as much as Van Gaal has , blessed with the same level of control as Van Gaal has and spending power, then that is on Jose, and isnt any sort of vindication of him, or the previous manager.
Sadly, not everyone seems to get that.
On occation we see the team pass the ball faster and play with a bit of urgency and win a few games. Then we revert back again.
If this is down to Lvg, and I think it is, he should be slapped.
If this is down to Lvg, and I think it is, he should be slapped.
This is actually very close to the truth. We simply have too few top class players capable of making an actual difference on the outcome of a Premier League match. We have plenty who can do it against European opponents of questionable quality, however.
Not too many games till the end of season campaign. If he won't take the risk of creating and attacking then perhaps board will take their risk in sacking his sorry ass.
Perhaps but can't see him going until season is over. Not that long, thankfully.
The game had LvG DNA before the red card. Could maybe have escaped with 0-0 or get a win but there were no signs of decent football.
TBH, I would have blamed the ref had it stayed 0-0, I might have bashed Mata for the decision, but IMHO it wasn't worthy of 2nd yellow.
But look at it this way: We are playing with 10 men vs Pulis side, who still didnt attack after the red. But we too didnt. I think the herrera freekick and the rashford shot off target were our only attempts. So instead of bringing someone to attack, we removed a creative player and got in Schneiderlin, who To be fair should have started instead of Carrick. We then went a goal down and removed Rashford, who was decent and got in Depay, who again should have started. But this is where I lost it. 10 minutes to go 1-0 down, LVG makes a defensive sub. That was when the blame shifted from Mata/ref to LVG. Had he got in Fellaini and played that long ball crap, I would have been satisfied, 352 again fine, but Fosu Mensah for Darmian is waste of a sub.
I thought Van Gaal had learned, then he subs off Herrera instead of Carrick playing with ten men 
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.Still waiting patiently to see how things go. Top four is still possible (though looking less than likely now) and we're still in the Europa League (not that I fancy our chances).
As soon as we have no chance of Champions League qualification, I'll be convinced this should be his final season here but if things go much better than expected and one way or the other we get it, I'll be in the 'stand by your manager' camp.
As soon as we have no chance of Champions League qualification, I'll be convinced this should be his final season here but if things go much better than expected and one way or the other we get it, I'll be in the 'stand by your manager' camp.
I thought Van Gaal had learned, then he subs off Herrera instead of Carrick playing with ten men
He hasn't learned and won't learn, he is more interested in being clever. This has been going on as far back as taking off Overmars against Ireland.
It's over soon. Be patient brothers.
"The kids revolution", "The winning streak", "The title challenge", "The Recovery phase"... Because of a fluky win at home against fecking Watford. Yeah, it would have taken a Nostradamus to predict what's going to happen next.
I'm glad the Title Challenge thread has been deleted.
Not sure. Mourinho is damaged goods right now and comes with his own set of problems. If that one fails we have gone full Liverpool.
The league is currently topped by Leicester. Sure, having better players helps and I do agree that we lack quality, but there's more to it than just that.
We have done that to ourselves really. There was time where we could sack him and quickly approach Jose after he was departing from Chelsea or just test Giggsy and give him much more time than few matches of care taking but instead we just kept going with this and to be honest kids done more than was required from them which is another paradox in LvG rich adventure with youth management.
It's gonna be a real miracle or just another Redcafe thread of 'told you so' from people who were preaching about negative side of LvG from quite a time.
Out of genuine curiosity, what did we achieve in the one other season?
That's three wins out of four now!
It's infuriating how incapable we are of getting a result away from home. We have lost more away games in the league than we have won and have a negative goal difference as well. More often than not we're shit at home as well, but at least we're one of the best home teams in the league , results-wise. City have won 31 points at home in 15 games and we have amassed 28 points from 14. In Europe things are the same - only one win against Brugges, 1 draw and 3 defeats.
It's clearly down to Van Gaal. He makes idiotic decisions time and time again and even though they always backfire, he keeps repeating them. He's the definition of stubborness and cluelessness yet he's a smug fecker every time we manage to win a game as if he's proved everyone wrong and expects an apology.
I'm sure he'll use the Mata red card as protection from criticism, but our play was shit before the dismissal and even shitter afterwards. Liverpool are shit, but at least they showed some spirit today and managed to turn the game vs Palace around with 10 men. We didn't even create a clear goalscoring chance against a worse side that had no intention to attack all game, let alone score 2 goals. Arsenal also managed to get back into the game against Spurs with a man down. We can't we do the same thing teams that aren't really better than us do?
Why take Herrera off instead of Carrick when we're chasing a goal? Why making us endure Darmian and Blind for the majority of the game despite them being an absolute embarrassment? Why not even put Varela on for the final 10 minutes to add some energy and attacking quality on the wing if we assume he was too tired to start?
We just need a better manager. It's that simple.
It's clearly down to Van Gaal. He makes idiotic decisions time and time again and even though they always backfire, he keeps repeating them. He's the definition of stubborness and cluelessness yet he's a smug fecker every time we manage to win a game as if he's proved everyone wrong and expects an apology.
I'm sure he'll use the Mata red card as protection from criticism, but our play was shit before the dismissal and even shitter afterwards. Liverpool are shit, but at least they showed some spirit today and managed to turn the game vs Palace around with 10 men. We didn't even create a clear goalscoring chance against a worse side that had no intention to attack all game, let alone score 2 goals. Arsenal also managed to get back into the game against Spurs with a man down. We can't we do the same thing teams that aren't really better than us do?
Why take Herrera off instead of Carrick when we're chasing a goal? Why making us endure Darmian and Blind for the majority of the game despite them being an absolute embarrassment? Why not even put Varela on for the final 10 minutes to add some energy and attacking quality on the wing if we assume he was too tired to start?
We just need a better manager. It's that simple.
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We still have another 20 years even if Jose has a bad three years to match Liverpool.
But we fecking hoped we can at least salvage a top 4 finish this season (by appointing Mourinho) before he's gone! I'm afraid it will be already too late in the Summer. Another season with no CL because of some stupid stubborn management who is still looking to create the second SAF which doesn't exist!
Then who do you think will take over and make us forget about this terrible time under LvG or were you just focusing on he'll be gone soon and all is well again.I didn't mention Mourinho
Well he (LVG) took us from 7th to 4th. Unremarkable but still progress at that time.
Mourinho might only want to start in the summer and reports have suggested Guggs don't want an interim role.
Frustrating as it is perhaps we didn't have many options?
We win a couple of games but then he starts changing things again. I just don't understand it and his time here needs to end soon
He's a bit thick.
The Liverpolisation will have begun at the very least. By then (if Mourinho fails) I will be bookmarking this post, let us hope I will not be doing an I told you so post in 2036 on my I-everything 10.
And back down to 8th by the end of this season.
Hence my original post. 2/3 wasted seasons since Ferguson.
This is the problem for LvG now, it only takes one loss for people to be right back on him again, a loss that people would have been more forgiving over if he has hadn't already put us through so much crap already this season.
On a side note I see Santiago is conspicuous by his absence tonight.
On a side note I see Santiago is conspicuous by his absence tonight.
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