He's clearly here until the summer at the very least. I just hope the stories about Mourinho coming in this June prove to be true.
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I would rather have lost 3-0 but had a right go. Instead, nothing but insipid sideways play.
There is no way United will sack him with the games we have coming up. He's definitely here till the end of the season. I've just resigned myself totally to United ending up around 8th, winning nothing and then regrouping this summer. It's just easier that way.....
We've dropped 25 points dropped against the bottom half teams. That is a hell of a lot, shocking really.
Louis' cant set us up to play against them, plays 2 holding midfielders more often than not.
Louis' cant set us up to play against them, plays 2 holding midfielders more often than not.
Fact is, we've been looking likely to finish outside the top 4 for a while now... and the club have made no efforst to try and boost our chances of making the Champions League.
It's a startling lack of ambition for a club as big as ours.
It's a startling lack of ambition for a club as big as ours.
If we go out of both the cups he might as well go. To me it is only that keeping him in a job.
Roma sacked Rudi Garcia on Jan 13th after a run of 2 wins, 2 loses and 5 draws; which saw them drop from 1st in the league to 5th. Since his sacking and Spalletti's appointment they won 7, drawn one and lost one in the ensuing 9 games; and are back up to third.
I will never understand why we didn't let this fraud go after that run of loses against Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke. We dropped to 6th after the Stoke loss and are back to 6th after the loss last night. Never been in the top 4 since the Stoke loss.
VG stopped being a problem long back (I mean he is what he is), it's our inept board that should be questioned.
I will never understand why we didn't let this fraud go after that run of loses against Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke. We dropped to 6th after the Stoke loss and are back to 6th after the loss last night. Never been in the top 4 since the Stoke loss.
VG stopped being a problem long back (I mean he is what he is), it's our inept board that should be questioned.
This the fundamental issue right now.
The Glazers lack of football knowledge and their missguided faith in Fergie led to a decision that haunts the club to this very day. They saw fit to entrust David Moyes, despite his clear lack of managerial experience at the highest level, with the day to day running of one of the biggest clubs on the planet. Following a glowing endorsement by perhaps the greatest manager in the history of the game, how could the decision be incorrect? The infallible SAF simply cannot be wrong, afteral he did win them 10 something trophies since their takeover - plus countless others prior to their arrival - so it stands to reason that this is a man more than capable of choosing his own successor. In Fergie we trust. Naive and foolish Mr Glazer.
Of course in hindsight it was the worst decision in the clubs history and the Glazers, aware of their disasterous mistake in appointing David Moyes, went for the far safer option allowing LVG to secede him. Good appointment at the time, I applauded it myself and had full faith that he would eventually turn the club around and steer us in the right direction. Wrong again. We are at best in a stagnated position, it could be argued that we are even worse off in light of the money spent on transfers and the like. I wouldn't call the LVG appointment a mistake on the boards behalf, more a failure by a man who should have done far better with the near limitless resources he had at his disposal. LVG has no excuse and if harbors any form of self-respect he should resign with dignity before he is sacked. Don't hold your breath though.
The next appointment is anyones guess. I have little to no faith in the board right now, that includes two genuine icons of the club; SAF and Sir Bobby Charlton. Personally I would go for Jose, partly due to the lack of other options but also because he is, despite what his haters may think, in the mould of Fergie himself - a genuine winner at heart and a proper leader of men - something our club is crying out for at this point in time.
I don't think its fear. I think a lot of fans lack conviction in their decision, so keep changing their mind depending on if we lose or win.
I tend not to care about the last few results - I look at the big picture.
6th place - thats the big picture - for MUFC, this is unacceptable and I'm sure LVG himself, would acknowledge this, if asked.
Exactly this.
How he managed to survive December will forever be a mystery to me and it will end up costing us big time. You almost can't really blame Van Gaal anymore, he's been total shit and is clearly finished but of course he isn't going to resign. Nobody does that anymore, the board should have taken responsibility and got rid.
If we'd sacked him before the start of 2016 and got Mourinho in, I'm convinced we'd have ended up in the top 4 and most likely won a cup. Now we're looking at another trophyless season, 4 out of the last 5 years and 3 in a row, and a finish of 6th or 7th. It's fecking terrible.
He wouldn't though that's the thing. He'll find numerous excuses why we're only 6th. It's only when we were top of the league that he believed results were all down to him.
Only a few days ago he was saying "when we had no injuries we were in first position". He believes his own hype when things are going well, distances himself when things go badly.
3 wins against the Premier League's bottom 7......and still Manchester Utd manager.
I noticed that the Milkybar Kid hasn't been online since the defeat to WBA.
Great post.. says it all for me!
I agree with this, he is here till the end of the season so we may as well just bide our time and wait for Jose.
It stinks and its on Woodward and co that we wouldn't have champions league football next season, as they could have done something about that around Christmas.
I would happily take a few more years of zero trophies etc if I believed in our managers vision and could see small but significant improvements. The trouble is I don't see any positives from this Van Gaal era at all.
All this talk of laying foundations for the future is utter fecking bullshit. The next manager is going to have to start from scratch again.
It's not all about transfers either. He's going to have to work closely with every existing player he keeps to change their mentality and mindset.
Pretty much every characteristic associated with Manchester United players of the past have been coached out of this group to the point where we are completely devoid of any real attacking intent during a game.
I'm all for backing the manager, but Van Gaal has failed time and time again. He's been given so many chances by our inept board to rectify his failings but has steadfastly stuck by his "philosophy" that just isn't suited to the premier league of 2016!
There is backing the manager and there is backing your club and at the moment I'm more worried about the direction our football club is headed in over the future of our multi millionaire manager that's retiring next year regardless of what happens to us.
There are people on here that seem more interested in Van Gaal than Manchester United. I find this absolutely mind boggling. Hopefully they'll get booted out the door with him this summer.
All this talk of laying foundations for the future is utter fecking bullshit. The next manager is going to have to start from scratch again.
It's not all about transfers either. He's going to have to work closely with every existing player he keeps to change their mentality and mindset.
Pretty much every characteristic associated with Manchester United players of the past have been coached out of this group to the point where we are completely devoid of any real attacking intent during a game.
I'm all for backing the manager, but Van Gaal has failed time and time again. He's been given so many chances by our inept board to rectify his failings but has steadfastly stuck by his "philosophy" that just isn't suited to the premier league of 2016!
There is backing the manager and there is backing your club and at the moment I'm more worried about the direction our football club is headed in over the future of our multi millionaire manager that's retiring next year regardless of what happens to us.
There are people on here that seem more interested in Van Gaal than Manchester United. I find this absolutely mind boggling. Hopefully they'll get booted out the door with him this summer.
Exactly, Ed Woodward has a lot to answer for.
In fairness to the board, they probably thought LVG was a good solid appointment after the Moyes failure. I mean he's experienced at the top level, with a reputation of working with youth. On paper that sounded ideal for us.
The reality of course is somewhat different. Its been negative record after negative record falling, and we can point the finger at all sorts, players, coaches, CEO's etc, but at the end of the day the manager should live and die by his results. LVG's results should have had him lined up against a wall and shot in December.
How he's still in a job is beyond me. This is the boards greatest failure not the fact that he was appointed in the first place.
The reality of course is somewhat different. Its been negative record after negative record falling, and we can point the finger at all sorts, players, coaches, CEO's etc, but at the end of the day the manager should live and die by his results. LVG's results should have had him lined up against a wall and shot in December.
How he's still in a job is beyond me. This is the boards greatest failure not the fact that he was appointed in the first place.
its somewhat ironic that the team topping the table is a good old fashioned, hard working, pacey 442 side.
That's a good summary.
And I will add a remark that I already made, the closest thing to SAF that I know is Guy Noves, who was all powerful at Toulouse, last season he decided to leave the club and the first decision that the board took was to divide Noves's job into two jobs, a sporting director and a head coach because they knew that no one will be able to do the job that Noves did.
Dead right. They work on giving opposition problems rather than trying to solve the problems that opposition might give them.
Like we used to do
Because Woodward is out of his depth. Nuff said.
That would be it, for me. As stated before, this poll was made after a particularly ugly loss (can't remember which). I was the second voter who went for that option, and it was obvious at the time that it was a piss take. If you truly believed LVG was "great", you wouldn't go for that option, in that poll, immediately after that match. The very fact that his most vocal disciples on here are not among the voters (as you remark), should tell you everything you need to know.
What I find part disturbing and part hilarious is that so many on here attach any importance to what fellow members vote in the numerous polls that spring up at this place. It's not very important at the end of the day, is it? And even if it was, a grand total of...fifty odd people voted for it.
LvG was/is a quick fix and when he cant do the job, I cant see why he is still here. His not a young talented manager who would stay for years. That type of manager I would give time.
Is it startling though, especially if you consider comments by Woody about how the CL money is not as important as it used to be. The club saw the CL only in light of the money it brought, not the prestige - which is a huge mistake in my book because it is the prestige which eventually rakes in the moolah and not the other way round.
Agreed. I was actually excited about the LVG appointment. I remembered his Ajax team from the '90's and thought that he would be the perfect coach to get us back playing good quality attacking football again after that God awful season of Moyes.
I loved Fergie, but our style of play did need updating and I truly believed that the crazy Dutch bastard was the answer to this.
Then I watched Holland at the World Cup and my heart sank...
Is there anyone among us who doesn't cringe at the thought of having to suffer through his pass passive, risk-free, zero shots on goal style for yet another year? Lord have mercy on our souls.
The two sides who have really outperformed this season, Leicester and Watford, have both played 4-4-2 all season long.
One in the eye for all the 'The game has changed' bollockspouters.
If they appoint Giggs, I would wager that would usurp this current nonsense.
I find it inconceivable and therefore am not worried about it. If it were to happen it would be awful - and ridiculous. But I dont think it will. Because I can kind of understand the reasons for not sacking him now - or at least, I can see a plausible set of circumstances that could have led to this decision, besides indecisiveness. As in, we didnt want to sack him without lining up a successor, and there hasnt been one we want available: this assumes Mourinho cannot or will not start until next season; Woodward doesnt want Giggs; Pochettino isnt available etc etc.
Whereas I can see no logical justification for letting Van Gaal continue next season at all. I just cant see any set of circumstances where it would be rational or defensible in any way. Maybe there was a tiny possibility, on the back of our epic run that started against Shrews, that it could have turned into a formidable run that would see us finish strongly, comfortably in the top 3, winning a cup and playing with real confidence. If we had finished up like that it would at least give Woodward something to think about. Whatever your personal take on it, at least you could see there was an argument for keeping him, whether you agreed with it or not. But even that tiny bit of hope has been trampled on now. The possibility of is going that run, building up that momentum and creating that dilemma, seems remoter by the day.
So yeah, not something I am worried about to be honest. I have to believe that whatever Woodward's faults, he isnt an idiot, so I will trust him to make a rational decision.
I'm completely convinced that he's going to be manager here at the start of next season
Are you a naturally pessimistic person?I'm completely convinced that he's going to be manager here at the start of next season
I'm completely convinced that he's going to be manager here at the start of next season
no no no, I refuse to believe this, no no please for the love of God NO!
As others have said, great post.
See above.
Exactly, some seem to be putting LVB before Utd, which is crazy!
Same here, I thought he would be a good appointment but it's obviously not worked, and the fact he's leaving soon anyway but we're still sticking with him is insane, if it was someone young like Simeone or pochettino and he secured 4th easily I could see the reason for continuing but I bet if pochettino had performed like LVB has he would be under a load more pressure than LVB is and probably have been sacked.
I just hope the board see sense ASAP and get rid.
I'm completely convinced that he's going to be manager here at the start of next season
You will be happy, because José Mourinho is our next manager.
Not with everything, but the way we've acted towards Van Gaal so far and the apparent lack of ambition we're showing, combined with the fact that Van Gaal seems completely surprised at any speculation around Mourinho etc, and that there has been nothing more than paper talk about him actually being considered for the sack, combine to tell me that we're actually not too unhappy with him.
Woody has called him a genius and seems happy with many of the things he's been doing around the club, he's only got 1 year left and I think they are hoping he'll turn it around so that they can appoint Giggs after he retires on a 'high'. They have always seemed reluctant to appoint Mourinho based on the stereotypes surrounding him and I think they're trying hard to not have to do so but have no other options, so they want to keep LVG and are just praying that he can turn things around.
Also, I feel that we're happy being a 'top 4 contending' club now, so narrowly missing out won't be seen as a huge failure, and getting top 4 would equate to LVG meeting expectations. A narrow failure will likely be tolerated, rather than have to give Mourinho the job.
Just my feeling of course and I hope I'm very wrong!
It's not clear cut though is it, I suspect he still maybe in charge next season. Mourinho's simply too divisive, which leaves us with either Giggs or Louis.
Nice.
I think I can safely say we all do.
I cant imagine we are happy being a "top 4 contending" club. I can believe the owners might be content being a "comfortably top 4" club, that competed for the title without necessarily winning it that often - like Arsenal. I can see how that model would appeal to owners like the Glazers, in that you get the money for being in the CL, you get the exposure for constantly being up there at the top, even if you dont win, I imagine sponsors would be placated with that and you could exist in that echelon of football without having to spend crazy money - as, again, Arsenal do. But I cant believe Woodward or the owners are content with this.
As much as I think he is a poor manager, I still wouldnt fire him now, but would rather let go at season end.
We had the perfect chance to let go in Dec and didnt take it. We are on course for our worst points ever tally, and I doubt any manager worth their salt will want to come in now.
I just hope we have already agreed to bring in someone new, and are already deep in planning for the next season,especially this being a Euro summer.
As for this season, I thought it was a lost cause the moment we decided to keep this man in the midst of that horrific run. Its just been a slowburn to what most of us saw coming.
We had the perfect chance to let go in Dec and didnt take it. We are on course for our worst points ever tally, and I doubt any manager worth their salt will want to come in now.
I just hope we have already agreed to bring in someone new, and are already deep in planning for the next season,especially this being a Euro summer.
As for this season, I thought it was a lost cause the moment we decided to keep this man in the midst of that horrific run. Its just been a slowburn to what most of us saw coming.
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