And those are not related? It would be stupid to trim the squad to this extend and not have the ability to integrate youthplayers well.
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Inexperienced at the top level, but I wouldn't call either of them kids.
I'm not sure about what you are talking about.
Varela was 5th choice, CBJ was 5th choice, Rashford 5th choice, Riley 6th choice, Love 6th choice LVG stumbled on these players, he never intended to play them that's my second point. My first point is that in the absolute who cares? He still managed to integrate them and make them play well.
We should concentrate our praises on the first point instead of lying about the second.
Well if he is calling martial not a kid for having experience at the top level then it cant be the same for lingard and Keane who have none.
Who is "he"? I never told you that he wasn't a kid, I said that he was a very good player before joining United, good enough to be an international player, LVG didn't gave him a chance, he signed a good player and played him.
Well considering both Dubuchy and wenger admitted it, I don't think it's a rumour.
Lavezzi, what reason does he have to lie? He's already signed for his new club
I'm not sure what age has to do with anything in all honesty.
I'm simply trying to say that Rashford would not have been anywhere near the first team had the previously mentioned players been fit and available to play. LVG's vain attempts to take credit for playing Rashford, when all and sundry know that the decision was forced upon due to an injury crisis, is both disrespectful and insulting to not only Warren Joyce and the youth team coaches but to the fans and media alike. He has practically embarrassed himself with such a statement.
The only people fit to take credit for Rashford is himself for, well, being Marcus Rashford, Warren Joyce and the youth team setup and of course his parents for having intercourse that blessed night (get in Mr Rashford!)
Maybe you should explain the reason why Van Gaal has given credit to Joyce and why Joyce has given credit back to van Gaal.
Go on. Proof as well of what your talking about please.
So is my "big assumption" that Shrewsbury Town, Midtjylland and Watford are three poor teams?
Or that Arsenal are currently faltering on their ambitious title hopes?
My hatred for Van Gaal isn't blind, it's based on the fact that we're labouring to challenge for a European spot having been dumped out of the CL well before Christmas, having the worst December in the clubs history, having been served up with the worst football Old Trafford has ever seen, having spent £250m on a squad that's only come good when the 'big' players are injured only for Luis to claim it as his genius.
I've not dissed anything positive, I've clearly said it's great to see the youth doing well. I'm just not getting lubed up for Luis after 4 good results against 3 poor teams. Just watch this thread melt down again when Fellaini is centre-mid and Rooney is trotting around upfront like a useless chubby Shetland pony.
You going to name a manager who plays kids when there are experienced players ready to play instead? No. No one does. Though Van Gaal has kept a predominantly small team to allow him to do just that. So no, I don't expect people to melt when Rooney starts over Rashford This season. But if he does so in 3 years time when Rooney is absolutely nothing and Rashford is something - you have a point.
Guess what- that won't happen sinse Rashford has now been given his debut - showed he has the ability to play first team football and as Shearer said - it is now time he learns the Game.
Also, pleanty of people have said about LVG's ability with youth well before this recent success. The majority of people have not changed their mind but just happy at what they originally thought would happen seems to be happening.
What's actually changed is that the people who thought Van Gaal would never leave a lasting impression with youth for the future - refuse to believe that anything they currently see is progress.
Whether it's Van Gaal or not - the fans should be happy at how and with whom United are playing. If you do t want to give Van Gaal credit then keep it to yourself rather than dismiss the people who have always thought that this would happen.
The future is ours. Thank you LVG.
Public Relations.
It's part and parcel of the job to "big up" your employees in the media and vice versa. No one really pays much attention to these generic statements as they are mandatory.
Are you purposely evading my points or are you not reading my posts at all
I'll try once more:
Louis Vangal was forced to play Marcus Rashford due to an injury crisis at the club, rather than using his judgement and ability to identify his talent. Would you agree with that?
I agree the first point deserves more attention than it has gotten, but I don't get why it's so hard to admit that it's a consequence of his choice. He didn't stumble on players he signed for the bench or kept in the squad, he was always heading for youth players in case of injuries. Which ones that would be he of course didn't know.
I like his character and hope he can transform his time here into one in which he gets to stay on. Feels almost impossible but if we made a good surge for the title (not expecting to win it) using youth, get a cup then I'd want him to stay on. 80% chance its just another false down but we live in hope. Do wish he'd patrol the technical area more. One of the many highlights of tumping the Arse was seeing him take the piss out of the officials. Maybe he's too old
Claude Puel is doing it and to some extent Leonardo Jardim
We are talking about the 5th choices here, if we were talking about what Jardim is currently doing with youth players being first or second choices than yes, I would praise Van gaal, but when 4 to 5 players need to be out you just know that the plan isn't to play these players at all.
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The future is bright - the future is orange. Apparently
Public Relations.
It's part and parcel of the job to "big up" your employees in the media and vice versa. No one really pays much attention to these generic statements as they are mandatory.
Are you purposely evading my points or are you not reading my posts at all
I'll try once more:
Louis Vangal was forced to play Marcus Rashford due to an injury crisis at the club, rather than using his judgement and ability to identify his talent. Would you agree with that?
Yes. Would you agree he has a small squad to give kids play time?
If he wouldn't have trimmed the squad, if would have had a lot of very unhappy players to manage if he had played youngsters. To play youngsters, you have to pick them according to form and stage of development, which can vary by months and even weeks, so you can't really make a distinction between 3rd choice and 5th choice.
Yes I would agree with that. But the squad is so small because Louis decided, in his infinite wisdom, to trim the squad bare leaving us markedly short up front and in defense. At the start of the season we had Rooney, an unknown in Martial and an unproven youngster with which to compete in the toughest, most grueling league on the planet.
That's bad managment in my book.
Well in my eyes it's good management for the future. For him to have 4 top strikers up front means we must have a full title winning squad. We didn't even have that IMO when SAF won the league with a bunch of pensioners. We have covered now most areas with youngsters and home grown players all playing in one way through both Joyce and LVG.
Made me laugh way more than it should have.I can agree with that. But on a different subject, his first choices are wank and that's the real problem, so I'm not going to praise him for his roster building.
Firstly, I instantly dismiss anyone who references Alan Shearer.... Next up; how be interesting, with Michael Owen.
Secondly, I t's progress alright, progressing towards the end of Luis' dismal tenure. Progress in the youth getting games & making names for themselves, but that's in spite of Luis, not thanks to him. If he had his way, we'd be in December's mire permanently. Injuries forced his hand. Fact.
Finally, this is the LVG Out thread you daft bat. If you don't want to read negative thoughts on Vangle, best ship yourself on over to the LVG fan club thread you complete maggot.
Daft bat! The amount of LVG haters infiltrating the positive threads has made me come here you twat. First what Shearer said wasn't important - Rashford does have to learn the overall game though instead of thinking he has made it. If you blame Van Gaal for all thr negatives - it's time you praise him for the positives - you fcking mongoose.
Our season so far...
WWDLWWWLWDDWWDDLLLDWDWLWDLWW
We have turned a corner exactly 8 times this season alone. It's very clear though that this one (the 8th one) is very different.
WWDLWWWLWDDWWDDLLLDWDWLWDLWW
We have turned a corner exactly 8 times this season alone. It's very clear though that this one (the 8th one) is very different.
More coners than Van Gaals nose!
So every time a team loses or draws a game, they have to turn a corner in order to perform again? Utter nonsense. Until December the results were just fine, from there it was bad and now we seem to have slowly recovered.
the kids coming in who have not been brainwashed yet, have given us some belief.
No, according to some here, like you, every time we win a game we have turned a corner, even when we play extremely sh*t football at home against a weak team, and just happen to get lucky to get away with a win.
I love the "we slowly recovered" though. So was our loss to Sunderland part of that "slow" recovery?
According to your reasoning, in order for the team to not have to turn a corner they should win every match. Nonsense. Before December we were first in the league at some point.
Oh, and again an invalid assumption: nowhere have I stated that every time we win a game we turn a corner. That might be others. The difference between you and me is that I accept that you cannot win every game in the season, and that the period before December was just fine resultswise. After the horrible results in December we seem to be more inconsistent than before, but resultswise we definitely turned a corner in comparison with December although we are not yet back in our pre-December form yet.
And your last sentence doesn't make any sense: first you list purely the results and make a wacky statement on the basis of that, and then you blame me for not looking at the quality of the football?
It's a bit silly to just look at the results, but I have to admit there have been a lot of corners and turned back again. I've thought a lot of times after playing well that the players finally got it and it would take off from there, twice last season, and three times this one. But after the Sunderland game even I gave up on the traditional break through game for LvG, because even after the Chelsea game there was the horrible inconsistency again. Now with the youngsters there's a different buzz, mainly because the experienced players are behaving differently and I think the 'flat' dressing room which was mentioned in the beginning of the season was the biggest problem, so I got hope again. But I can't really blame anyone for not sharing that hope.
we have two matches next week that will give a good indication about what this 'recovery' is all about.
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If Martial hadn't injured himself, the rashford story we've all seen unfold over the past nine days wouldn't have happened.
It's great that lvg pushed rashford to the fringes of the first team and he must take a lot of credit for rashford's emergence, but to suggest all this was somehow planned is either deluded or disingenuous.
The fact that rashford was not even supposed to start his breakthrough game suggests his meteoric emergence wasn't exactly planned.Public Relations.
It's part and parcel of the job to "big up" your employees in the media and vice versa. No one really pays much attention to these generic statements as they are mandatory.
Are you purposely evading my points or are you not reading my posts at all
I'll try once more:
Louis Vangal was forced to play Marcus Rashford due to an injury crisis at the club, rather than using his judgement and ability to identify his talent. Would you agree with that?
If Martial hadn't injured himself, the rashford story we've all seen unfold over the past nine days wouldn't have happened.
It's great that lvg pushed rashford to the fringes of the first team and he must take a lot of credit for rashford's emergence, but to suggest all this was somehow planned is either deluded or disingenuous.
the kids have been great. But to start a season with such a depleted squad is incompetence.
Are you actually Van Gaal? I could imagine Van Gaal calling someone a mongoose
Someone is gonna be all over that post in a minute and you could get called a mongoose
Someone is gonna be all over that post in a minute and you could get called a mongoose
Mongoose. new one . quite funny.
It was the plan. You build a team short in number and quality, you play the underperforming starters until they all end up injured and then you make a comeback with your 5th choices.
Again, it doesn't work that way. You cannot look at one or two games and say: I thought we had turned a corner after that first win after a series of losses but now we lost again. You have to look at the general trend. Suppose you are learning a new skill, for example 3 ball juggling. In the beginning, you'll drop all the balls all the time. You try again and after failing a lot, you get a try where you succeed to keep all the balls in the air for 10 succesive throws. Would that mean you have "turned a corner" and from now on can juggle 3 balls correctly all the time? Of course not, you are still learning and therefore it can be expected that your results are inconsistent. Sometimes you will drop all balls after no succesfull throws, sometimes you might make 15. Only by looking at the average over a lot of tries will you be able to see any improvement. In December we were dropping all the balls all the time. Now we seem to have improved and learned how to juggle our balls better, as we win more games.
In our case, before December we were able to juggle quite well, it didn't always look good though. We lost a lot of "juggling" knowledge by the injuries of Schweinsteiger, Shaw etc. so in December and we started dropping a lot of balls. Now that replacements are fitted into the team and confidence is getting back, we are getting better again and sometimes it even starts to look good.
Exactly.
Don't try to turn this on me. It's you and people like you who are calling it a "recovery" or "turned a corner" the moment we fluke a victory. It's you who are basing your judgement completely on the result, no matter how obvious it is that we were playing like sh*t and we were just lucky to get away with a win.
You need to familiarise yourself a bit with the law of averages. We're winning from time to time not because we're getting any better, or because we're "recovering", we're still playing the same sh*t football we have been playing for a long time, it's just that sometimes we get lucky, and sometimes we don't, Like any team that finishes 5th or lower.
I'm not basing my belief that we still haven't "turned a corner" on the Sunderland game, I'm basing it on the Watford game, which even though we won, we still haven't shown any signs of real improvement. You on the other only care about the last letter in our record, and the moment you saw "WW", suddenly "we've turned a corner!".
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