I'm totally confused now. You're trying to argue that LVG is some genius youth developer but no chance in hell should you get a game under him in the league cup or against league 2 opposition in the FA cup unless there is an injury crisis?
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Tomorrow's exclusive in the Sunday Mail:
The REAL mastermind behind the class of 1992. Reporter: Santi 'kin Deluded
Louis Van Gaal has sensationally revealed his most staggering feat in management to date. Known for his work in laying foundations in the great Barcelona and Bayern Munich teams of the 21st century, the Dutch mastermind has now declared that he was also responsible for the treble winning miracles of the great Manchester United team of 1999.
Time traveller
Until now, the canny *********** has demonstrated powers in influencing football success far into the future in teams he had long since left. Now, his latest revelation suggests he can do the same to teams' historical successes. 'Ah yesh, the process at Manchester is of course responsible for the trophies they won twenty years ago', the erudite Van Gaal revealed in yesterdays interview, 'the work of Giggs, of Nicky Butt, Beckham, all of that was me'.
It turns out that the unprecedented period of success in the 1990s and early 2000 was not the result of the previous management at the club, in fact it can be attributed to the revolutionary genius of the Dutchman. Buy tomorrow's Sunday Mail to hear more about this and how Leicester's run this year was all because of Van Gaal's impending appointment there.
The REAL mastermind behind the class of 1992. Reporter: Santi 'kin Deluded
Louis Van Gaal has sensationally revealed his most staggering feat in management to date. Known for his work in laying foundations in the great Barcelona and Bayern Munich teams of the 21st century, the Dutch mastermind has now declared that he was also responsible for the treble winning miracles of the great Manchester United team of 1999.
Time traveller
Until now, the canny *********** has demonstrated powers in influencing football success far into the future in teams he had long since left. Now, his latest revelation suggests he can do the same to teams' historical successes. 'Ah yesh, the process at Manchester is of course responsible for the trophies they won twenty years ago', the erudite Van Gaal revealed in yesterdays interview, 'the work of Giggs, of Nicky Butt, Beckham, all of that was me'.
It turns out that the unprecedented period of success in the 1990s and early 2000 was not the result of the previous management at the club, in fact it can be attributed to the revolutionary genius of the Dutchman. Buy tomorrow's Sunday Mail to hear more about this and how Leicester's run this year was all because of Van Gaal's impending appointment there.
I heard that he lost two notebooks, one at Tottenham and the other one at Leicester.
Rashford would still be in the reserves were it not Rooney, Martial and Keane being injured. The fact that LVG would even consider taking credit for his emergence is an insult to Warren Joyce and the rest of the youth coaches at the club.
I look forward to the day we finally rid ourselves of LVG and his filosofy. The day can't come soon enough.
The Sunday Mail is not the most reputable source so I'm gonna take a plunge and call bullshit on this one.
Yeah that's pissed me off, he's a ridiculous egotist.
He's basically saying it's by his design that if all our other players are injured and because we failed to sign anyone else that these players play. Well no shit. If De Gea is injured and Romero saves a penalty no doubt that would be Van Gaal's genius as well.
If seniors were fit he wouldn't have got a look in so LvG can't then take any credit. If he gave him game time whilst others were available that's a different situation.
Just no need to make it all about him.
No need to make it all about him????
Most of this board want fecking Mourinho next. FFS.
Most of this board want fecking Mourinho next. FFS.
That article is bs..saying we didn't buy in January so he could give the kids a go.
We know that's bs as we know fir a fact he wanted to loan debuchy and lavezzi turned us down
It's a pity he didn't steal their notebooks
I know I'm quoting this post for a second time, but having seen the Super Rugby team I support stink out my Saturday night, this has given me a good laugh. Excellent interpretation of what Santiago would write about king van Gaal had he been a journo. Thanks, @Crustanoid for the laugh.
Mourinho is an extreme version of what Fergie did to pull attention of the struggling players.
Van Gaal largely refuses to take any of the blame or negative attention but will try to take the praise.
What?http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2014/09/1...ow-united-prospects-can-graduate-into-van-ga/
Oh dear Lord. Joyce saying he sets his team up to mirror Van Gaal so that they make the step up.
Hmm surely Van Gaal didn't ask for that did he?
Genuinely this place is a joke.
I have seen like 7 of your posts on here and cannot understand a single word you say
Are you pro LvG? Anti LvG?
You really need to be clearer and learn sentences
Basterd! I was just going to watch it.
Spoiler alert: United will stink it out against West Brom tomorrow.
And thats my point. When we have full team avaiable young players still dont a get a chance.Now LVG is.forced to play youngesters he cannot take any credit for that.
Sorry for ruining it but I recommend you don't watch it. Think of United's most boring game this season, the Reds vs Force game tops any boring United game from the last two seasons. It made United under van Gaal like watching Barcelona. The earlier games from today were good though.
And it still won't be the most boring game of sport I watch this weekend.
Thanks for the warning, I wanted to see the "new" Reds.
You're quoting people that are praising LVG and due to your obvious delusion you're taking everything they say about him for granted as long as they praise him, you've mentioned Xavi earlier before in some thread about how he influenced him and all that shit. I've said that Xavi also claimed that everything is alright as far as preps for WC in Qatar are concerned as soon as he moved to Qatar league from Barcelona. I hoped that you'd figure that my implication is that sometimes people talk shit because of certain circumstances that are imposed on them. I was hoping for too much it seems.
And again, no, what's happening now is not planned. Before CBJ, Varela, Riley, Love got sniff of football fecking wingers played ahead of them, makeshift CBs played ahead of them, fecking hell, even Lingard played as a wingback in 352 ahead of proper fullbacks. That's not cohesive and planned youth development because it would not happen if we weren't struck by, yet another, injury crisis. Wilson was rotting on bench, Januzaj was sent on a shit loan because he was not getting time, Pereira is rotting on bench. That's a part of that fantastic development too? Throwing players into deep water as well?
Credit where it's due because he plays youth but feck off with the 'everything was planed' notion because it's borderline retarded.
So much effort. While I come out with theories and reputable peoples quotes you Come out with absolutely shit.
The feck does xavi's thought on the world cup bare any resemblance to what LVG did with him as a kid. Mate, there have pleanty of people who have belittled LVG on the professional scene; come up with their quotes and then we can have a discussion.
Your point is a point but my point is that with 14 players over the age of 25, injuries were always going to happen.
So you belive transfer rumours over shit Warren Joyce and Co say. Sure thing. Definitely a blunder.
This proves to me that peoples problems with Van Gaal is down to the fact that Rashford and valera have been successful. Lingard played there and was unsuccessful; bearing in mind he is also relatively young.
He came across something that works for now but that would not have happened without a small squad.
I don't think Debuchy was lying.
Definitely pro.
And Warren Joyce is a proven liar. You can't pick and choose to fulfill your own fantasy. For all the praise I give Van Gaal I know he isn't the best at winning things first hand.
You do know these two are youngsters?
We have one experienced striker & the rest are kids. Yet everybody is deluded in saying all these youngsters are here only cos of injury.
I give up. You all win. LVG out.
Are you pretending that you don't understand my point now or what? Go and read all the things again, take a deep breath and maybe write it down if it helps.
You're making shit up in your mind, completly ignoring what's being written. You're fecking paranoid to say the least.
Varela isn't a youth player, he was in the 25 man squad and LVG used 4 players before him, he only got an opportunity when they all ended injured, so yeah they are lying and LVG tried to bring a RB.
Rashford, whose performances you are happy to credit LVG for would've been an unknown name to most on here if it weren't for injuries. He was a ready-made goal machine, it would seem, just waiting to be unleashed – but he wasn't unleashed until a whole string of more senior players went and got themselves injured. So, LVG's strategy may be summed up like this: Play the kids – but only when the senior players are injured. Not when the senior players are shite.
To you, the above makes perfect sense: Why didn't he play the kids sooner? Because the senior players weren't injured! Simple, as you keep saying. You see nothing wrong with this logic?
LVG opts for a small squad: A core of senior players he shall always use, unless they're injured.
He also develops youth players like nobody else, meaning he has loads of brilliant teenagers waiting in the wings in the event of an injury crisis.
When the injury crisis hits us, the kids enter the scene, as planned – and play brilliantly, as expected.
Now, if it hadn't been for one, small detail, we could all agree that LVG is a genius. Can you guess what that one, small detail is?
The worst thing about the planning theory is that, it prevents us from praising his great ability to integrate youth players swiftly, LVG did not planned it but he reacted well and transformed a really bad situation into a mildly acceptable one.
What part of my post are you disputing here? I am not following you.
Nothing deluded in suggesting a youth player was promoted to the first team due to an injury crisis at the club. That's generally how it works in all fairness.
Are you saying Rashford would have seen first team football had Rooney, Martial and Keane been fit and available to play?
I'm saying two of the players you mentioned are kids too.
Keane is 23 years old, Martial was a starter for a team who played in CL and a french international.
As usual a big assumption on your part.
I have not changed my vote or opiniom on LVG from day 1.
That doesn't mean that all is good. Maybe you should take the blinkers off and you will see not all is bad. Pretty easy to have Blind hatred and just diss anything that is positive.
What's martial's international and CL experience got to do with it. He is a kid still. Wasn't Scholes saying that we shouldn't be relying on Kids? So has that changed now?
Keane is 23 same age as Lingard; IMO a kid still.
You are not stupid, you know that the only thing that matters is how good the player is, for example you can't rely on grandpas but Van der Sar was still a great player at 40 years old. There is no merits to rely on a 19 years old french international, a player who became international because of his performances with his club particularly in CL.
I mean I have seen a lot of posters claim that Mourinho had no merits to play Varane, when Varane wasn't an international player, never played in CL, never played for a strong team and played 1/3 of the amounts of games played by Martial.
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