Rashford wasn't third choice though. He recalled Will Keane from loan. He even played Fellaini up front when we had no strikers. I'm sure Fellaini would be striker if he was fit.
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Rashford wasn't third choice though. He recalled Will Keane from loan. He even played Fellaini up front when we had no strikers. I'm sure Fellaini would be striker if he was fit.
3 games in the FA cups against Sheffield, Derby and Shrewsbury: Did an ok job without being great, not the hardest teams to beat but you can only beat what is in front of you.
2 games in the EL versus Midjetylland: First game was one of the worst we saw in the history of the club, the second game was a good convincing 5-1 victory to clean up the mess he made in the first game
8 games in the PL: won 4, drawn 2, lost 2 that is an 14 on 24 which is crap but he gets credit for wins against Liverpool and Arsenal
All in all we have improved but that is not such a great feat since before that we were playing like absolute relegation fodder
No, I did offer some credit to LVG but reserved the majority for the young players themselves and those involved in nurturing them.
To turn the question on it's head: So LVG could do this with any kids?
How about you extend your data point to all season?
Good point. Like I said earlier he has no choice. Credit to rashford himself for taking his chance
Still want him gone, the sooner the better imo because as soon as everyone is fit he will revert to pushing players out of position to fit in the underperformers that got us in this mess, initially. Like last season's 4-3-3 this guy tumbles onto the good things, the actual product of his designs is soul sapping.
No, they need to be talented. He has done better with kids, even more kids and at much bigger occassions, the only thing slighty exceptional is that there ar so many kids having their debuts in such a short time. But he's always done that, he has a vacancy at a certain position, and he pulls one from the academy, some of them 21, some of them 16, but always very inexperienced. Can't remember any of them showing their inexperience. That's what he does best, he gives young players something to hold on to, they are still youngsters and their form will be less stable, but if he has confidence in them, they play with confidence.
It seems like he stumbles into winning combinations every time we go on a decent run. We've definitely benefitted from having Rooney out and, like others have said, he was forced to play Rashford. I wonder what the board will do if he gets top four and wins a trophy.
We've been slightly better since the new year despite drawing with the Geordies and losing to Sunderland, but there is no clear long term trend that we have been playing better in contrast to the tumescent, back pass shite we saw before that. If he can put together 5 league wins on the trot, then that can be viewed as a trend that things are improving. Until such time his arse needs to be held to the fire for the calamitous waste of the past 2 seasons.
As long as he goes at the end of the season.
I still want him gone - chucking yourself on the floor when this wasn't remotely the most divey team we have faced of late (or indeed, particularly divey for a set of Gooners) was just embarrassing - funny - but embarrassing. It smacked of attention-seeking and a cheap appeal to the fans. I will certainly not feel as negatively about him once he has gone as he was prepared to play youngsters - that is to his credit - even if it was, almost totally, forced. These last 2 games have been enjoyable for their very un-philosophy nature. Maybe he is actually managing more effectively at the moment as the pressure is off with, what seems, his inevitable, departure. I can't wish for that departure not to happen despite enjoying beating the likes of the Gooners and Dippers as our overall record under him is woeful.
Can i ask you what you think the philosophy is by calling this un-philosphy?
In a nutshell: posession trumps all.
The philosophy is to move the ball around until someone finds a passing lane.
How is tactics a philosophy of any sorts?
Is 433 a philosophy too then? There has been more games van goal has played other formations than the one you would think to be his philosophy.
His philosophy is that everybody plays one type of football and enough chances will go by so that they have time to prove their capabilities.
That's why possesion football is the best because ultimately it's piss easy to see who is any good on the ball and not - whilst we having the ball we can switch lanes (as he said) to find a cut in.
Let's not pretend you know the philosophy before you start discriminating it.
The philosophy, from what I can decipher, seems more about mental coaching than tactics.
Tactics are hardly the important thing you are right. He has changed it from 433,352,451,442. It couldn't be tactics at all.
I hope we let him see out his contract. As far as his rebuilding venture goes he has already 'done the damage'. Appointing a new manager with a contrasting or different set of beliefs would do more harm than good at this point. Furthermore, with his dogged promotion of youth I'm content to spend even yet another season in transition, because ultimately it might entail that the next manager might enjoy an easier tenure as he reaps the fruits of our current youth policy.
Next season we'll have an established Prem duo in Martial and Memphis and otherwise a team that has become a still more coherent and fluid unit than what has been the case for the past two seasons. Hopefully the emergence of greater personalities in the team will take some of the creative pressure off of Rooney - it has been pellucidly clear for a while that he isn't up for it anymore. If LvG can carve out a role for him as an experienced motivator who is capable of the odd moment of brilliance, in the mould of late-career Giggs or Scholes, I think it will go a long way towards fixing the balance-issues within the team.
Of course, this is all predicated on the expectance that the recent improvements in our performances are somewhat solidified in the season run-in. If we regress once more into a decline of similar proportions as to that of our disastrous December month, all bets are off.
Ultimately Van Gaal is a football manager, and all football managers are slaves to the results at the end of the day.
I have believed and I continue to believe in this little project of his.
Next season we'll have an established Prem duo in Martial and Memphis and otherwise a team that has become a still more coherent and fluid unit than what has been the case for the past two seasons. Hopefully the emergence of greater personalities in the team will take some of the creative pressure off of Rooney - it has been pellucidly clear for a while that he isn't up for it anymore. If LvG can carve out a role for him as an experienced motivator who is capable of the odd moment of brilliance, in the mould of late-career Giggs or Scholes, I think it will go a long way towards fixing the balance-issues within the team.
Of course, this is all predicated on the expectance that the recent improvements in our performances are somewhat solidified in the season run-in. If we regress once more into a decline of similar proportions as to that of our disastrous December month, all bets are off.
Ultimately Van Gaal is a football manager, and all football managers are slaves to the results at the end of the day.
I have believed and I continue to believe in this little project of his.
Still don't see a future at OT for him beyond this season but if he goes out with these type of performances, a trust in the kids and eccentric behaviour then he'll be fondly remembered despite the stifling football we have to endure for large chunks of his reign.
Exactly. Thats what i said - have patience and the longer we have him the better. Let him choose the next young RW - if he is as good as the other youngsters he has bough (non failing) - it could be a gods end.
Then theres the midfield which is full of pensioners.
If we are patient we will be the only team in the world the likes of Bayern & Barca will fear one day under a different manager.
So he's won over some fans again for a couple of games. We're still unlikely to get top 4 and that is on him.
Yeh some fans who can see above a trophie- less season.
You know there's only one way of winning things. Kids don't win you things blah blah.
You are very active tonight (unsurprisingly), ultimately him staying all comes down to CL qualification, if he gets it then maybe he deserves the chance to see the job out, but if he doesn't then there is no way he can stay, he will have failed his most basic of targets, so will have to go.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out now, because I had written us, and him off for this season, it will also be interesting to see what he does when all the big name players return, will Rooney automatically get back in, will Schweinstegier push out Schneiderlin/Herrera, Darmian in for Varela, etc, and then there is the dreaded Fellaini return looming on the horizon. With the kids playing as they are he now suddenly has a huge squad on his hands when everyone is fit, and how he plays it will be key to how this season/his career ends.
LvG on days like today is great, team stepping up, him play silly beggars on the sideline, kids cropping up here there and everywhere, but things can soon turn again, and it has to be asked what the hell was going on in December, and what were those 'zombie' style games all about, when you look at the games we have lost this season it is easy ask what might have been at this point.
That wasn't the expectation so I don't know why we have any supporters who feel okay about that. The expectation from the beginning of this season was a title challenge and to win a cup.
He has failed his first and most important objective which was the league.
The second objective if achieved will make it slightly better but it's still a failed season (majorly) if we don't make the top four (even if we do win the EL).
Just because you expected a trophies doesn't mean everyone did. You don't sell di Maria, RVP, Nani & get youngsters like depay & martial to win trophies. But okay if you think so.
Nice is this your forum. Ofcourse im active as is everybody else is here through some sort of happiness. You just got it against. Even if the likes of Rooney and Schweinsteiger play like cray - the future looks bright and thats not Down to any man but the one you assume to be on a tightrope having overestimated this team.
I didn't expected trophies but I'm fairly sure that LVG expected them, otherwise he wouldn't have made offers for Ramos, Muller, Robben or even Di Maria.
I must admit , his dive today was so cool.
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Are you being purposefully dim? I never meant we expected trophies (to win them). It was however, expected that we would challenge for them (e.g. reaching a final at least).
A title challenge was unanimously agreed as the expectation for the season - that is not even something I'm going to debate, it's just a fact.
As far as trophies go: I mean that we expected United to pursue either the League Cup or the FA Cup (assuming CL was beyond us to win), so as to get a trophy finally in the bank (post-Ferguson).
The cups are secondary. The league is what he'll be judged on (or rather he should be).
But not getting them hampers our expecations for trophies don't they? I mean i still think our RW spot is empty for Bale & i hope no-one wastes time and miss out on a kid like Sane.. But if we don't have Bale we can't have expectations of that quality either.
He's leaving in a year anyway so there is no benefit in keeping him if it's the same level of shite for another year. He's stealing a wage as far as I'm concerned and can feck right off. He's a bluffer, the biggest one in football who manages to dine out on what he did at Ajax to get big game jobs..where he ultimately ends up getting the boot from when everyone catches on to the fact that he's a bluffer
As for the pensioners comment, he bought schneiderlin and bfs.
Universal.. Whose universal. As I said only a dimwit would expect a title challenge. First season expectations were top 4. 2nd was title contenders with a younger and smaller squad..
Just don't want to piss you off im outta here.
You still need to take the original expectations as a benchmark, you can't adjust them just because you are failing. His expectations were to win the title this season and be CL challengers in 2017, he is failing.
My expectations were for him to build a team and eventually challenge for a domestic cup, after 18 months he failed but we will see what he does after 36 months.
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Oh dear. Time to believe you over bayern, barca, Az neither lands & ajax who you know make countless mistakes hiring this Bluffer. Gets the biggest jobs continously among the countless players that praise him.
Can't say I completely understand this reply, but I think you're just a little bit giddy tonight, and for an LvG fanatic that's fair enough, I prefer to take a more realistic view and realise that LvG on the whole has failed us up to this point, but today was a good day.
Your saying he was expected to win titles whilst someone else is saying he was expected to title challenge. Which one was it? It cant have been so sure fired if people are getting it wrong here.. We were doing well in your regards until injuries - resulting in disaster performances - so I see no reason why expectations should be judged on prior hands.
He got sacked from bayern and barca so not sure why you keep humping those treesBluffer
Oh dear. Time to believe you over bayern, barca, Az neither lands & ajax who you know make countless mistakes hiring this Bluffer. Gets the biggest jobs continously among the countless players that praise him.
I'm giddy because I am a united fan and more than one who supports over trophie spells. Your ungiddy because what's predominantly you been saying for a season has been not shown tonight and what I have said has been shown.
Just like Arsenal beaten by little kids - it's quite a big deal winning when your consistently told your wrong.
Whatever.
There are no "ifs" and "buts". No top 4 = out. Especially on the second season (after spending enough money).
I actually would argue that Van Gaal should see the door even if we make top 4, but he's making my job easier as I don't have enter that discussion.
I actually would argue that Van Gaal should see the door even if we make top 4, but he's making my job easier as I don't have enter that discussion.
Van gaal said that the goal was always first not fourth.
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