If LVG was young with years in front of him, he would have had a much fairer chance. We will need to move on regardless. Today was very good.
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You don't need to motivate players getting their first games for the club. They have nothing to lose and want to show everyone what they can do.
Great win today. And great week in fairness.
But I'd still replace him with someone who I consider a better manager overall.
Just like Southampton replacing Adkins with Pochettino, or Leicester replacing Pearson with Ranieri, tough decisions have to be made.
I'm sure they are still lows to come this season, but i'm hopeful that the highs will far exceed those, so he can leave with his head held high.
But I still think we need to make a change, and have been convinced of that since September.
But I'd still replace him with someone who I consider a better manager overall.
Just like Southampton replacing Adkins with Pochettino, or Leicester replacing Pearson with Ranieri, tough decisions have to be made.
I'm sure they are still lows to come this season, but i'm hopeful that the highs will far exceed those, so he can leave with his head held high.
But I still think we need to make a change, and have been convinced of that since September.
Very enjoyable and credit to Van Gaal but too little, too late after 18 months of tedious, sterile football. Let's see how we get on against a less ambitious PL team than Arsenal who don't come out to attack us.
Yeah lets see if we can finish the year playing more direct, attack minded football. If we do, there may be an inkling of a justification to keep him next year.
The last few games reflect incredibly well on the young players that have come to the fore during a period where the press have been persistently trying to undermine our academy (some of which may be fair game). They have all responded exceptionally in the face of such adversity and swept some of the senior players along with their enthusiasm and passion. LVG probably deserves some praise but more than anything the spirit and ethos of the club, and those indoctrinated within it, must surely take the biggest portion of acclaim.
I'd be more than content to let him see out the rest of the season (not that it wasn't going to happen anyway) if we keep playing like this.
We should not forget the mountains of shit we have been served up all season though. Three wins in a row (two against nothing opposition), is still not enough to convince.
We should not forget the mountains of shit we have been served up all season though. Three wins in a row (two against nothing opposition), is still not enough to convince.
Then why do we need a manager at all then?
I'd still replace him with a cardboard cutout given the chance
1 game against Arsenal changes nothing, they are notorious bottlers at this stage of season
Credit for trying kids out but he hasn't really got a choice either due to small squad & high number of injuries
Credit to Joyce, mcguiness and the other coaches
1 game against Arsenal changes nothing, they are notorious bottlers at this stage of season
Credit for trying kids out but he hasn't really got a choice either due to small squad & high number of injuries
Credit to Joyce, mcguiness and the other coaches
He's winning me over...
It's the use of the kids. Ironically our injury problems may save his last campaign.
It's the use of the kids. Ironically our injury problems may save his last campaign.
I still think he should be replaced in summer if we miss out on top 4 as we need to do better than that. But I don't think saying 'such a person would do a better job and we should get him' is good enough. He needs to be replaced with the right manager full stop. That means someone who can mould this young side and play attacking. We can't panic and be scared into appointing someone as soulless as mourinho. Even if it meant waiting another year with van gaal I would be happy to do so if we could get the right man, ie. not a panic appointment
I'd take defeats in every match til end of season just for you to jog on
No other poster writes so much rubbish
The problem is, people have been saying this since january 1st. 'no credit for this, x team is awful'.
Mid week is was 'yes we hammered both but shrews and midy are shit, lets see how he does against arsenal' and now that we were brilliant against arsenal it's 'arsenal are shit lets see if he can win every game for the rest of the season'
I find it sad how people want to be right more than they want to see us play well
He had no choice
It's 1 game.. Sure contract for life
Don't waste your time trying to bring even a modicum of sense into this thread. Genuine basket cases in here.
We probably should let him go at the end of the season.
I am not saying it was some master plan but the decision to stick with him during the tough times (and change the manager mid season) has been a good one.
BTW, did anyone else nothing the LVG and Giggs handshake at the end of the match? It was pretty nice to see two men who have received so much stick pull something off for a change.
What's to say LvG trimmed the squad because he had faith in the youth academy?
Give the man some credit when it's due.
every game is one game. If we take all the games we have played better since january 1st and put them together then it is a trend. Oh but wait all those teams were 'shite' and it won't be progress until 'insert next challenge'
I'll give him credit when he deserves it
So why didn't he give Rashford a chance when we were struggling to score?
So LVG trimmed the squad intentionally because of his faith in the youngsters yet none of them could get a look in with Rooney going through probably the worst patch of his career.
Pretty much this. After today though, I will get off his back for the rest of the season, he's here until then regardless.
And drop Rooney or Martial? He got his chance because of injuries - that's the whole point of this!
you saw today's game and you assume what i say is rubbish? Okay sure.Too little too late, still want him gone.
Yes drop Rooney. We were struggling to score and he refused to change anything.
We would be mad to keep him another season if a top class coach (cough cough Mourinho) is available this summer.
The guy has stated all along that he will retire in the summer of 2017.
Securing the future of the club is surely more important than keeping LVG happy. Not so if you listen to many on here.
If we replace him, anyone but Mourinho please. I can't stand to stomach this youth movement extinguished within a season.
So LVG didn't trim the squad intentionally because of his faith in the youngsters? Which is the opposite of what you implied a few minutes ago.
Expecting Rashford to being better than Rooney is different to expecting Rashford to take his chance if it comes up.
I think you forget last year MK dons and the shit he got for doing what you said.
Despite the last 3 matches, he still hasn't won me back over. Considering how he has set the team up when our best players' are available, and the fact that top 4 is far from guaranteed. Furthermore, we are just delaying the dilemma of finding another manager in a years' time when the choices may be even more limited.
He could have played Januzaj instead. Give the guy some credit for doing something good.
He doesn't like/rate januzaj
You make it seem like the awful results and performances have been the exception and just blips during a good run of form. This has simply not been the case and to try and use today's result of it being indicative of anything is misrepresenting what has been an awful season for a club aspiring to challenge for the title and compete in Europe.
How exactly can you disregard that Shrewsbury and Midgetland are awful opponents that even the bottom feeders of the PL would expect to beat? You can't just ignore that us beating a League One team fighting relegation and a part time Danish team in the Europa League is in anyway impressive, beating Arsenal is a nice result but it doesn't wash away what has been an insipid season, nothing really could outside of an extraordinary finish to the season. People wanting LVG gone are looking at the big picture of where the club's standards and expectations are heading and not just basing their opinion on the last three games like so many claiming they've been 'swayed' are.
What's sad is how many United fans are willing to see the club descend to being an also ran barely for challenging for top 4 with no ambition all in the name of some bizarre loyalty to a veteran manager on his last gig who has failed in his time here.
Sure, any manager can perform with this number of kids.
That may be. Even so, I think his great with young talents.
I don't think it washes away anything. But I am saying there's a trend that lots seem happy to ignore. We have been better since the new year. A lot better. We have had bad results too but have been better. Saying any game is 'just one game' is a good way to dismiss that trend to anyone without a brain, but if we want to try find a trend, it is there - since jan 1 we have played better.
He let Hernandez go, perhaps, as he was satisfied that the likes of Rashford could do a job should WR and AM get injured. Thats what I've said from the start.
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