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he has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve the credit he's getting for playing youth. all those fecking terrible matches we've witnessed, he played the same old lumps of coal as the previous game. the only reason he's playing youth now is because of injuries.

i'm grateful to the youngsters, but feck me... i deserve as much credit as LVG does for playing youth. neither of us had anything to do with it.
 
caisenma said:
yes, and by that same logic i have to give credit to my laptop computer which has done a phenomenal job of keeping away tigers ever since i bought it. in all the time i've had it, there hasn't been a single tiger attack.

lvg deserves no credit for this promoting youth nonsense.
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I think you've misunderstood logic.
 
We seem to play better in relation to the number of players in our squad that HAVEN'T spent much time learning his philosophy.
 
Don't you gullible people fall for this performance and think he should have a whole new year. He has until end of the season to consistently show promise. This is Midtjylland for Christ's sake.
 
tarjei2k said:
I think you've misunderstood logic.
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no, i'm pretty sure i understand it.

my point is that by doing nothing, one can't take credit for doing something. he insisted on a small squad, and this is what he got. yes, we played well today... but arsenal will eat our starting 11 alive come sunday if we can't manage to put a few more senior players out there.
 
Raoul said:
He doesn't have much choice given the injuries we've had.
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That might be true but some managers(every single time) would rather play AM senior as CB then give a chance to proper CB coming from academy.
 
pseudo_canadian said:
Might as well just keep playing the kids, they're giving it their all we're playing some great free flowing and high-energy stuff.
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You realise we won't play teams as bad as the last two teams we faced from now on apart from Villa.
 
caisenma said:
he has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve the credit he's getting for playing youth. all those fecking terrible matches we've witnessed, he played the same old lumps of coal as the previous game. the only reason he's playing youth now is because of injuries.

i'm grateful to the youngsters, but feck me... i deserve as much credit as LVG does for playing youth. neither of us had anything to do with it.
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I'm leaning on agreeing with you here. He's played the same underperforming players over and over. Had Rooney not been injured, he'd still be playing and not putting a performance as dynamic as Rashford did.
 
caisenma said:
he has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve the credit he's getting for playing youth. all those fecking terrible matches we've witnessed, he played the same old lumps of coal as the previous game. the only reason he's playing youth now is because of injuries.

i'm grateful to the youngsters, but feck me... i deserve as much credit as LVG does for playing youth. neither of us had anything to do with it.
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That's absolute bollocks.
 
ottosec said:
It's because of all these injuries. He never starts a young player even when his senior competitor plays like shit 10 games straight.
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He played McNair and Blackett when he could easily have played a midfielder in defense or a winger at left back last season. He's persisted with Lingard almost to a fault and now he's giving time to Bo Jack and Riley when he could play Blind there and McNair in defense even in the biggest games of the season. Injuries or not he has given chances when there was an opportunity to be given. Only player who's been moderately unlucky is Pereira and even that because he has Mata ahead of him, who's always been fit.

How many times did Fergie play Park and Giggs in midfield even in cup games instead of looking into the academy?
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
He played McNair and Blackett when he could easily have played a midfielder in defense or a winger at left back last season. He's persisted with Lingard almost to a fault and now he's giving time to Bo Jack and Riley when he could play Blind there and McNair in defense even in the biggest games of the season. Injuries or not he has given chances when there was an opportunity to be given. Only player who's been moderately unlucky is Pereira and even that because he has Mata ahead of him, who's always been fit.

How many times did Fergie play Park and Giggs in midfield even in cup games instead of looking into the academy?
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Don't waste your time mate. If they can't give him any credit after promoting 15 or so academy players in less than 2 years, there's no argument to be made.
 
Van Gaal + Kids = Future success.
Injuries does not mean we play kids all the time. We could have bought players in the window if he didn't have trust in youth that no manager has.

The trimming of the squad, the getting rid of old players ( I mean RVP was his countryman) all are planned. Just because injuries are not does not mean the youth are not ready.

The whole reserves work under the same management so getting in to first team is abundantly easy depending on your capabilities.

We could have played rojo instead of Riley but did we?

We have 22 players out of a squad of 35 under the age of 25 with approx 7 in their prime and 7 experienced.

Even if he goes end of this season, not sacking him midway will only benefit his ability to finish the job he started.
 
Scarecrow said:
That's absolute bollocks.
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It's not you know, well in the main anyway, I'd say Lingard is the only youth player he has put in through his own choice and not becasue injuries forced his hand, and it's only a matter of time before he is replaced in the transfer market.

You could though argue that his demolition of the squad was always going to allow him the chance to play some of he kids, because injuries were bound to hit at some point, but that is maybe been kind to him for his poor squad management, and ultimately a lot of the kids he is playing won't make it because they're not good enough, but his sacttergun approach is bound to pull out a couple of good ones, my money is on CBJ, and the criminally underused Periera.

The question though is does him playing so many kids really mean anything after a bollock of a season.
 
Santiago_Kin Bonkers said:
Van Gaal + Kids = Future success.
Injuries does not mean we play kids all the time. We could have bought players in the window if he didn't have trust in youth that no manager has.

The trimming of the squad, the getting rid of old players ( I mean RVP was his countryman) all are planned. Just because injuries are not does not mean the youth are not ready.

The whole reserves work under the same management so getting in to first team is abundantly easy depending on your capabilities.

We could have played rojo instead of Riley but did we?

We have 22 players out of a squad of 35 under the age of 25 with approx 7 in their prime and 7 experienced.

Even if he goes end of this season, not sacking him midway will only benefit his ability to finish the job he started.
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Because he wasn't fit enough yet, hence his 10 minute cameo role.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
It's not you know, well in the main anyway, I'd say Lingard is the only youth player he has put in through his own choice and not becasue injuries forced his hand, and it's only a matter of time before he is replaced in the transfer market.

You could though argue that his demolition of the squad was always going to allow him the chance to play some of he kids, because injuries were bound to hit at some point, but that is maybe been kind to him for his poor squad management, and ultimately a lot of the kids he is playing won't make it because they're not good enough, but his sacttergun approach is bound to pull out a couple of good ones, my money is on CBJ, and the criminally underused Periera.

The question though is does him playing so many kids really mean anything after a bollock of a season.
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Fek youth, you do know he bought Memphis & martial too. Add Shaw, lingard, CBJ,Mcnair. That is enough youth as it is.

Just saying, the majority of our subs bench are always kids.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Because he wasn't fit enough yet, hence his 10 minute cameo role.
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Does it matter? If he didn't trust youth he would do it the other way around.

Why are you picking and choosing what I say? What about the fact we have 22 players under 25 out of 35?

7 in prime, 7 experienced. We clearly are not the best squad capable to win things at all fronts.

He is building.. it is simple.
 
Santiago_Kin Bonkers said:
Does it matter? If he didn't trust youth he would do it the other way around.

Why are you picking and choosing what I say? What about the fact we have 22 players under 25 out of 35?

7 in prime, 7 experienced. We clearly are not the best squad capable to win things at all fronts.

He is building.. it is simple.
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My guess is Rojo was barely fit, and he wouldn't have been on bench in normal circumstances, so it wasn't worth risking him form the start,
 
Santiago_Kin Bonkers said:
Van Gaal + Kids = Future success.
Injuries does not mean we play kids all the time. We could have bought players in the window if he didn't have trust in youth that no manager has.

The trimming of the squad, the getting rid of old players ( I mean RVP was his countryman) all are planned. Just because injuries are not does not mean the youth are not ready.

The whole reserves work under the same management so getting in to first team is abundantly easy depending on your capabilities.

We could have played rojo instead of Riley but did we?

We have 22 players out of a squad of 35 under the age of 25 with approx 7 in their prime and 7 experienced.

Even if he goes end of this season, not sacking him midway will only benefit his ability to finish the job he started.
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Rojo wasn't fit enough to start, if he had been I have no doubt he would have done, as would Jones, smalling, Valencia, young etc etc. rashford needed Rooney, martial Keane and probably even fellaini to be out to get a start, all these players getting a chance is not planned in the slightest, it's just an injury crisis.

Credit should go to warren Joyce for work he has done and to the youngsters themselves, I doubt LVg has had much of an impact on their development, he only played CBJ because Joyce recommended him not because he has a plan or is a great talent spotter.

Tonight isn't a night to criticise LVG he got a very good result in difficult circumstances but it also isn't a time to praise him for essentially mismanaging the squad and make out it is all part of a plan and will equal success.
 
To be fair, he's been saying all season long that he keeps a small squad so the youth get a chance when injuries crop up. Just didn't expect damn near a whole squads worth of injuries..
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
He played McNair and Blackett when he could easily have played a midfielder in defense or a winger at left back last season. He's persisted with Lingard almost to a fault and now he's giving time to Bo Jack and Riley when he could play Blind there and McNair in defense even in the biggest games of the season. Injuries or not he has given chances when there was an opportunity to be given. Only player who's been moderately unlucky is Pereira and even that because he has Mata ahead of him, who's always been fit.

How many times did Fergie play Park and Giggs in midfield even in cup games instead of looking into the academy?
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He played McNair and Blackett mainly because of his obsession with the 3-5-2, left footed centre backs and also the permanently injured Jones.

CBJ is a far better player than McNair who LVG seems to have finally realised isn't very good. CBJ is only playing because of injuries to Shaw, Rojo and Darmian as left back options.

Lingard plays because we barely have another option on the right.

Pereira's 'bad luck' compared to the other youngsters is simply that the forwards haven't been injured as much as the defenders, because that is the only time to get a chance under LVG.
 
Roboc7 said:
Rojo wasn't fit enough to start, if he had been I have no doubt he would have done, as would Jones, smalling, Valencia, young etc etc. rashford needed Rooney, martial Keane and probably even fellaini to be out to get a start, all these players getting a chance is not planned in the slightest, it's just an injury crisis.

Credit should go to warren Joyce for work he has done and to the youngsters themselves, I doubt LVg has had much of an impact on their development, he only played CBJ because Joyce recommended him not because he has a plan or is a great talent spotter.

Tonight isn't a night to criticise LVG he got a very good result in difficult circumstances but it also isn't a time to praise him for essentially mismanaging the squad and make out it is all part of a plan and will equal success.
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If had this conversation before. He gave a debut to invest and Xavier but he only played them 7 games etc.

This is a guy who knows how to judge kids to perfection.
SAF himself was going to release scholes. This shit don't happen under LVG.
 
Earthquake said:
To be fair, he's been saying all season long that he keeps a small squad so the youth get a chance when injuries crop up. Just didn't expect damn near a whole squads worth of injuries..
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And to be fair, the problem is that the first eleven is shite.
 
I think we'll get a better idea after the Arsenal game to be fair.
 
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