So Shaw, Depay, Lingard, Martial are all senior players now?I am completely on point. If he's playing kids while senior players are healthy I'd be wrong.
He did play youth out of necessity. But credit where its due.
They played well. Having said that, this side was cack tbf.
Fek youth, you do know he bought Memphis & martial too. Add Shaw, lingard, CBJ,Mcnair. That is enough youth as it is.
Just saying, the majority of our subs bench are always kids.
If had this conversation before. He gave a debut to invest and Xavier but he only played them 7 games etc.
This is a guy who knows how to judge kids to perfection.
SAF himself was going to release scholes. This shit don't happen under LVG.
So Shaw, Depay, Lingard, Martial are all senior players now?
LVG is on record saying his squad is small so it forces him to utilise the clubs youth players. It's part of his strategy.
It's perfectly reasonable to argue that parts of his strategy have not delivered versus expectation and that will probably cost him his job, but this point about playing youth only because of forced circumstance is wrong.
He played McNair and Blackett mainly because of his obsession with the 3-5-2, left footed centre backs and also the permanently injured Jones.
CBJ is a far better player than McNair who LVG seems to have finally realised isn't very good. CBJ is only playing because of injuries to Shaw, Rojo and Darmian as left back options.
Lingard plays because we barely have another option on the right.
Pereira's 'bad luck' compared to the other youngsters is simply that the forwards haven't been injured as much as the defenders, because that is the only time to get a chance under LVG.
So what? Are they senior proven players?Shaw, Memphis and Martial played a lot of football before joining us, Martial was starting CL knockout games.
Bit unfair, his philosophy will have been embedded in the youth system as well. Also many of these players are occasionally training with the first team.We seem to play better in relation to the number of players in our squad that HAVEN'T spent much time learning his philosophy.
We seem to play better in relation to the number of players in our squad that HAVEN'T spent much time learning his philosophy.
He did insist on having a small squad, he also has always maintained he prefers to give youth players squad positions as opposed to senior players for this very purpose. To clarify I'd be perfectly fine with LVG leaving tomorrow but credit where credits due.no, i'm pretty sure i understand it.
my point is that by doing nothing, one can't take credit for doing something. he insisted on a small squad, and this is what he got. yes, we played well today... but arsenal will eat our starting 11 alive come sunday if we can't manage to put a few more senior players out there.
So what? Are they senior proven players?
He played McNair and Blackett when he could easily have played a midfielder in defense or a winger at left back last season. He's persisted with Lingard almost to a fault and now he's giving time to Bo Jack and Riley when he could play Blind there and McNair in defense even in the biggest games of the season. Injuries or not he has given chances when there was an opportunity to be given. Only player who's been moderately unlucky is Pereira and even that because he has Mata ahead of him, who's always been fit.
How many times did Fergie play Park and Giggs in midfield even in cup games instead of looking into the academy?
Is it possible to comment objectively on LVG without agenda?There is no merits to play them, they are better than most proven players.
It's not you know, well in the main anyway, I'd say Lingard is the only youth player he has put in through his own choice and not becasue injuries forced his hand, and it's only a matter of time before he is replaced in the transfer market.
You could though argue that his demolition of the squad was always going to allow him the chance to play some of he kids, because injuries were bound to hit at some point, but that is maybe been kind to him for his poor squad management, and ultimately a lot of the kids he is playing won't make it because they're not good enough, but his sacttergun approach is bound to pull out a couple of good ones, my money is on CBJ, and the criminally underused Periera.
The question though is does him playing so many kids really mean anything after a bollock of a season.
Is it possible to comment objectively on LVG without agenda?
Shaw, Memphis and Martial played a lot of football before joining us, Martial was starting CL knockout games.
If it was true then yes.You are the kind of guy that tells people they got laid not because they were good but others were ugly.
Based on what I have seen so far the only youth player who lacks composure is Lingard. I would have bet a fortune that if Rashford's chances had fell to Lingard he would have ballooned them.
If it was true then yes.
Do you honestly believe that Rashford would have even made the bench if Rooney, Martial, Fellaini, Keane and Januzaj were available?
It's not some LVG genius, he was literally the only option. Me or you would have picked a similar team tonight from what was available.
They learn it in the academy, that's the point, so they are ready when they come into the first team. The difference is that they performed it tonight although it helped we weren't pressed too much but still the energy, accuracy, inventiveness and tempo was very good.
You watched that game and saw how we played, look at how intelligently we recycled possession, what young team does that naturally?
I will aim the credits at McGuinness and Joyce, they are the ones who trained and developed the kids.
There is little point making these points as the anti LVG agenda is clouding many fans opinion.He has said countless times he made the squad intentionally small so young players get much needed game time, it's insane to expect him to play them ahead of those that are first choice unless they are performing very well.
This is the man who spent £36m on an unknown 19 year old who has been our player of the season. It's difficult to criticise him when it comes to youngsters.
I can't believe you still don't see this, look at how the young players played tonight, they are being educated well, he takes the academy seriously, it wasn't a coincidence they all knew what they had to do in their position.
Shaw was identified before him but he still gave the green light and then signed Memphis and Martial, that's three young players who will be part of our first team for a generation, and he will have scouted more like them.
Look at Barcelona, a lot of kids don't make it there either, I'm not sure what you expect, 11 kids to come through into our first team each year?
Yes, I watched and enjoyed our players play as they did. But that either means it has taken this long for it to click or the dire, controlled, slow footy was his philosophy.
To me it seemed like somebody had loosened the shackles today. I imagine the team-talk to have gone something like: "feck it, just go out there and do your best. Take risks, have fun and entertain your supporters".
Especially Memphis and Mata held onto the ball much longer than usual and showed individual skills we have hardly seen, but that can make the difference. We weren't predictable where we usually seem restricted and forced to stick to very basic, straightforward play just limiting risks.
If what our youngsters learn in the academy is what they showed today, maybe we should send more of our senior players to learn from them. It was good stuff and I find it hard to believe that we have LvG to thank for it.
I'm 100% convinced that comment helped relax and inspire the young kids tonight. They will always remember it as the 'horny evening with some Danish midgets'... Sounds like the title of a weirdo porn movie!Hope he ends his tenure with an Austin Powers speech.
"Do I make you horny? Randy? Do I make you horny baby yeah!!!
If it was true then yes.
Do you honestly believe that Rashford would have even made the bench if Rooney, Martial, Fellaini, Keane and Januzaj were available?
It's not some LVG genius, he was literally the only option. Me or you would have picked a similar team tonight from what was available.
There is little point making these points as the anti LVG agenda is clouding many fans opinion.
LVG has failed so EVERYTHING he did must be rotten. It must be!!!
I'm pretty sure that with the players available for tonight, many managers would not have put their trust in an 18 year old player, but have rather played Memphis as a striker and Mata on LW and Herrera on 10. They would just have moved some players around to make a squad out of as many senior players as possible.If it was true then yes.
Do you honestly believe that Rashford would have even made the bench if Rooney, Martial, Fellaini, Keane and Januzaj were available?
It's not some LVG genius, he was literally the only option. Me or you would have picked a similar team tonight from what was available.
I will aim the credits at McGuinness and Joyce, they are the ones who trained and developed the kids.
I would love for us to beat them with youngsters. It would cause such deep wounds in their confidence and their fans would be furious.I can see us doing well vs Arsenal. He has done quite ok vs the better teams.
Yeah, not so sure about that without a fit central defender.I can see us doing well vs Arsenal. He has done quite ok vs the better teams.
His philosophy can be judged from his teams at previous clubs, there is nothing wrong with the football he wants to play, it is not slow at all, he has just failed to implement it in his time here.
We have had a few matches where the opposition haven't pressed where we have seen what he wants to do, this was one of those matches.
This wasn't direct football, there was a lot of switches of play, only the attacking four took risks, the full backs tended to pass it back and then move high up the pitch, this was the usual stuff but it was done the way it should be done and like I said we've seen it on a few occasions but it hasn't been often enough hence our poor season.
To say whenever we play poor that is his philosophy but whenever we play well that is not his philosophy is insane. He didn't win all those trophies by playing slow, ineffective football, it's obviously the case his philosophy is fine but he hasn't done well getting it to show on the pitch this season.
And Memphis has the license to show individual skill as does Lingard or Martial just like Robben or Rivaldo or Overmars did, because Memphis has better skill than Lingard he obviously looked better! You can't blame LvG for Lingard not showing those skills.
Rivaldo won the ballon d'Or in his philosophy so it can't be that restrictive.
He got plenty of upfront credit from me in the beginning for all of his achievements. His philosophy definitely worked at other clubs at other times. If he managed to have us playing like last night on a regular basis, I doubt we'd need this thread or the discussion who's next.
I do blame LvG for players not showing their full capability. They have so many tactical things they need to pay attention to, it has been impossible for them to play as good as they could. Like in most sports, you train and micromanage during practice and in training, but once you're on the pitch you should be prepared well enough for it to come natural to you without needing to think about what to do next. Like driving a car.
I don't know if his philosophy has changed, if the players don't understand it or if the game has just changed and all this high pressing is killing his philosophy. I do know that last night's game was the exception to the rule of LvG's reign so far. I hope he proves me wrong.
