Considering changing my vote to extension after that display!
Nah, just kidding. I'm not Woody.
Nah, just kidding. I'm not Woody.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Honestly, last night was a very good example of why a part of me does want to keep him. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll be back to accepting change is needed when Arsenal destroy us, but I do like that we have a manager whose response to his two main forwards being out is to play some eighteen year old I've never heard of, rather than just sticking a senior player out of position.
Some people want to keep him because we beat Midgetland who are widely acknowledged to be the worst side left in the competition?
When sacking managers, people should not be yoyoing in their decisions.
I waited until the disastrous December to state that I want him out. If he beats Midgetland and a League One side, this won't change my mind.
He will need to have a brilliant run-in from here on in, to change my mind.
For the record I think we are in for one heck of a spanking when we play Arsenal.
When sacking managers, people should not be yoyoing in their decisions.
I waited until the disastrous December to state that I want him out. If he beats Midgetland and a League One side, this won't change my mind.
He will need to have a brilliant run-in from here on in, to change my mind.
For the record I think we are in for one heck of a spanking when we play Arsenal.
Is there even one person on the site who's voiced such an opinion or desire?
I've wanted him out a few games into his tenure last season.
Same here.
Wanted him out ever since we lost to Wolfsburg and nothing has changed.
The last week has been papering over cracks. We are supposed to beat these teams. The standards have dropped so low that we see these wins as some sort of miracles.
The idea of giving youth a chance is just a myth, we have no one else to play. How many of these youth players got a chance when our squad was big last season?. Promoting youth is different to playing them out of compulsion.
The last week has been papering over cracks. We are supposed to beat these teams. The standards have dropped so low that we see these wins as some sort of miracles.
The idea of giving youth a chance is just a myth, we have no one else to play. How many of these youth players got a chance when our squad was big last season?. Promoting youth is different to playing them out of compulsion.
He has to go, if we are happy with Europa league and sometimes get top 4 then keep him. Personally winning the league and getting to the late stages minimum of the cups is what I expect from us.
So LVG GET THE FECK OUT OF MANCHESTER!
So LVG GET THE FECK OUT OF MANCHESTER!
Same here. I can't believe it's got to a point where the standards he's measured against are so low that he is praised for picking basically the only 11 available.
VG is just a joke, and we are suffering with this dinosaur. WOW he beat a team he was expected to beat, give him a 6 year contract
22 players under 25. 7 players in prime. 7 players experienced.
What we should be doing is different to what we have been doing because you are assuming we are the same title winning team with players in their prime.
We are not. Injuries or not there has been abundant space for kids from day 1.
You are adamant we are a team still capable of winning things like SAF did without him.
No manager in the future could win anything here without someone reevaluating & reassessing the squad. For all LVG's weaknesses, this is something he is good at.
You saw it yesterday. A bunch of kids beating Danish champions is not the same as assuming United should be beating teams like FC mitijilland all the time.
Anyone who actually watches the youth team will see LVG's stamp or over their style for better or worse.
Some people just cannot give him credit. He is a club builder. He knows the team has underperformed and it may cost him his job but he has done some things well.
The youth players being able to step up and so well is no accident.
Some people just cannot give him credit. He is a club builder. He knows the team has underperformed and it may cost him his job but he has done some things well.
The youth players being able to step up and so well is no accident.
Yes. IMO if he goes this season, it's good we did not sack him because for all his weaknesses , he can aim to finish the job he started.
If I do a raindance every day and for weeks and weeks and weeks it's sunny outside, I wouldn't expect credit if it did eventually rain on a Thursday evening.
This is a little unfair, it isnt last night he showed faith in youth - as you said, he had no choice. It was when he sold senior players and didnt replace them that he showed faith in youth. Having to bring through a few youngsters here and there to cover certain positions was practically inevitable with our squad being what it is. OK he may be surprised by the gravity of the injury crisis we've had and he may not have expected to have to play so many of them at the same time but he has been in management long enough to know it was possible we would find ourselves in something close to this situation, bringing a few up at the same time.
If the club reads fan polls and opinions which show that a decent win here and there will change their views, they're not exactly going to be forcing him out of the exit. The same fans then go ballistic when he's still in a job after the poor performances.
Or not playing with a striker at all.
He's a fraud and has to go.... should have gone months ago.
Man Utd didn't have a full bench lastnite. Let that sink in. We only had 4 subs.... at home.
He bemoans his small squad - which is his own doing - & revels in bringing through 'the youth' when in actual fact, he has no other option.
Last week he cited having to start Romero as a bad thing, but went on to praise him when the interviewer said he'd made good saves. The man is like a flying piece of turd that will stick to any surface in it's way.
I'm happy that we beat a team 60 league places below us, followed by beating a team that beat us last week despite not having played a competitive game since 10th December & the team itself being almost 2 years younger than our goal-scoring debutant. I'm am happy.... but I fully expected to be happy.
The barometer will be Sunday, not Thursday.
Man Utd didn't have a full bench lastnite. Let that sink in. We only had 4 subs.... at home.
He bemoans his small squad - which is his own doing - & revels in bringing through 'the youth' when in actual fact, he has no other option.
Last week he cited having to start Romero as a bad thing, but went on to praise him when the interviewer said he'd made good saves. The man is like a flying piece of turd that will stick to any surface in it's way.
I'm happy that we beat a team 60 league places below us, followed by beating a team that beat us last week despite not having played a competitive game since 10th December & the team itself being almost 2 years younger than our goal-scoring debutant. I'm am happy.... but I fully expected to be happy.
The barometer will be Sunday, not Thursday.
Isn't that terribly modern and exciting (absolutely a load of shite but Barca and Spain have done it so we pretend it's clever rather than idiotic and negative)?.
I've sort of wanted him out when I found out Di Maria left because of him (among other reasons). When I read that I knew there was trouble on the horizon.
Cool story bro
This thread is very calm today!
Let's hope it doesn't explode again on Sunday evening!
Let's hope it doesn't explode again on Sunday evening!
Well, Sir Alex done it as well, with Rooney and Tevez as wingers and Ronaldo as a false 9 that drifted wide rather than deep, and he only pinched the idea from Roma.... That's the bones of a decade ago now.
It helped Barcelona they had perhaps the greatest club player of all time in messi, supported by unbelievable players to help messi, eto'o and henry, then zlaten, then villa, then sanchez and Neymar, then currently Suarez and Neymar, so there is that devastating effect of outstanding quality Barcelona have had.
When we list the names of attacking talent Barcelona have had between 2008 - present
Messi, eto'o, henry, zlaten, villa, sanchez, pedro, Neymar, Suarez
No question Barcelona have had an amazing eye for quality forwards/wingers, it never worked out for Zlaten and sanchez to a lesser degree, but in general they have always been a step ahead of the rest and continue to do so
They got the city, they got the prestige and history, they have the academy, and the biggest factor helping them, they have the squad to back it all up. At this rate they may soon overtake Madrid if they continue down the smart road they continue to do so
Not going to disagree as I want him gone as well, but what did you see in those first few games that turned you off LVG? Very curious.
Oh no.
a result against a league 1 team and a good performance against Europe's worst teams and we're flying high and want to keep hold of van Gaal and his philosophy.
He's anti - football. I would guess the only reason we played exciting football is that he hasn't got round to dulling the abilities of the youngsters yet.
this us a man who things 80% possession is a reult and goals are just flukey things that can happen in a game.
a result against a league 1 team and a good performance against Europe's worst teams and we're flying high and want to keep hold of van Gaal and his philosophy.
He's anti - football. I would guess the only reason we played exciting football is that he hasn't got round to dulling the abilities of the youngsters yet.
this us a man who things 80% possession is a reult and goals are just flukey things that can happen in a game.
Bang on. I genuinely hope he gets brought back to earth with a bang tomorrow at OT.... Not hoping we get beat, but hope other fans join me in showing their discontent at the state of our club thanks to that arrogant prick and the inept board.
How do you hope to express this discontent?
By making faces when we score a goal.
When he sets up the team to play negative football.... Which he will.
When the team looks like a different team entirely to those that got results against inferior opponents..... Which they will.
When he makes baffling substitutions to the detriment of the team... Which he will.
There will be a chorus of boos, just like there have been at OT since December.
Fans need to call for him to be sacked, anyone that thinks these two results are "turning points" are off their nuts.
Oh that's right.... I forgot OT was awash with Utd goals this season. We don't play Shrewsbury & Midtjylland every week you know.
Lighten up. Do as you please. And not sure many if any thinks we have turned it around. He will be gone in the summer with Jose coming in.
Lighten up. Do as you please. And not sure many if any thinks we have turned it around. He will be gone in the summer with Jose coming in.
My point is that the delusional Dutch fool thinks we have. He thinks we fans will be pacified by beating tow poor teams. His press conference yesterday he blames the media for making his results seem bad?! He pointed to city losing 5-1 by putting a youth team out and the media let it slide.
Firstly, Chelsea - regardless of this current bizarre season - are always tougher than Midtjylland & Shrewsbury.
Secondly - City and Chelsea have both already addressed their managerial shortcomings this season.
He's clutching at straws and his arrogance lets him think the Utd fan base are happy to follow, which seems to pacify the board. It's totally unacceptable that the bar has been set so low.
I can only hope that you're right & he's not leading us out next season. Not sure Jose is the answer, but he's probably the only current feasible option!
For me 3-5-2 was too much
Watch us beat Arsenal 1-0 tomorrow and some of the "sack him" votes will be changed to "evaluate at the end of the season". I can't wrap my head around how a season of failure after failure can still make people occasionally think, simply because of a non-shocking result, that "hey, this guy ain't too bad!".
He's yet again bought himself some time with the two cup wins, and whatever the result tomorrow he will stay. He's like a cockroach that just won't fecking die.
He's yet again bought himself some time with the two cup wins, and whatever the result tomorrow he will stay. He's like a cockroach that just won't fecking die.
A tip for LVG - It might be something to do with City not crashing out of the CL and being able to go smash Kiev away 3 days later.
The thing is when he makes comments like this I'm pretty sure he believes it himself and can't see his massive failure.
Was the same for me very early on. Showed that he had no idea about the Premier league, trying to force a 3-5-2 onto us and selling players with pace (before later complaining he didn't have any).
LVG is such a fraud that the expectations level have dropped,I think that people have accepted that we are not good enough for top four this season and are just happy with any win.No one really expects us to beat Arsenal at home on Sunday with or without the injuries and I'm sure most of us would take a draw right now.How the mighty have fallen eh....
I see the usual apologists out again
We should be hammering teams like this, they have one decent player in Sisto
We should be hammering teams like this, they have one decent player in Sisto
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