Just a mere 14 games to save his job now...
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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The number of times people have posted a link to an article followed by "if this is true...." and a load of anger towards Woodward/the board/LVG/the club in general is mad.
If one thing should be more than obvious after everything we've seen since December (if not far earlier) it's that the papers don't have a fecking clue.
I bet you could find a story on each one of the guardian, telegraph, Indy et al that says each of 'he's safe', 'one more defeat', 'if things don't improve', 'Woody is standing by him', 'contact with Mourinho', 'no contact with Mourinho' etc.
When something eventually happens they'll all point to one of those articles with 'told you so'.
If one thing should be more than obvious after everything we've seen since December (if not far earlier) it's that the papers don't have a fecking clue.
I bet you could find a story on each one of the guardian, telegraph, Indy et al that says each of 'he's safe', 'one more defeat', 'if things don't improve', 'Woody is standing by him', 'contact with Mourinho', 'no contact with Mourinho' etc.
When something eventually happens they'll all point to one of those articles with 'told you so'.
"He's great, give him an extension" was selected by a good number of oppo fans.
I reckon van Gaal could burn Old Trafford to ashes and he'd still be on the brink.
If he was going to be sacked it would have happened yesterday. We are stuck with him until the end of the season IMO.
This has become like the annual summer main transfer target thread.
Just seen an article with the title:
Shrewsbury will be tough, says Carrick
- what have we become? How is this acceptable for Manchester fecking United!
edit: and another saying
Manchester United's Michael Carrick: 'We could slip up against Shrewsbury Town'
If we ever needed a seige mentality, it's now!
Shrewsbury will be tough, says Carrick
- what have we become? How is this acceptable for Manchester fecking United!edit: and another saying
Manchester United's Michael Carrick: 'We could slip up against Shrewsbury Town'
If we ever needed a seige mentality, it's now!
Some thought Michael Carrick is a leader.Just seen an article with the title:
Shrewsbury will be tough, says Carrick
edit: and another saying
Manchester United's Michael Carrick: 'We could slip up against Shrewsbury Town'
If we ever needed a seige mentality, it's now!
Even leaders can lose faith and that's when the manager need to be sacked at all cost. If Woodward think that by keeping LVG during a busy schedule he is salvaging something, he is extremely wrong the players need a new face and new minds, even Giggs should be out and I'm not saying it because I don't want him as manager but because he is also the face of failure in the players minds.
Defeatist attitude from a 'senior' player - the poor young players have no one to look up to or to pull them through at a tough time - great.
LVG really needs to attend to his players and stop leaving their mental well beings to underperforming 'senior' players.
Strap yourselves in for another week of frustration because we'll beat Shrewsbury and this Danish team and so still be "fighting on two fronts". A result against Arsenal is in the stars, too, so please, don't expect any change until season's end.
He's just like Moyes, out of his depth. Moyes wasn't suited to this job in first place, LVG would be if this was 1995. but sadly it isn't. Really don't know how he doesn't feel ashamed for what he's done with United, most people would already resign, but I guess money is too good to just walk away.
Sack LvG and sell players who got shit mentality.
So we're back with the old 'three games to save his job' line, a line we've had at least twice already.
Let's say we beat to Shrewsbury, get through in the Europa, and then lose against Arsenal, I would assume this will be enough to keep him in a job?
The mind boggles as to what is going on really, it is clear we are going to pick up a few results here and there, maybe get to the semi's of the FA cup, go out in the Europa against a half decent side, and finish 5th-7th in the prem, that is obviously enough for Woodward.
Let's say we beat to Shrewsbury, get through in the Europa, and then lose against Arsenal, I would assume this will be enough to keep him in a job?
The mind boggles as to what is going on really, it is clear we are going to pick up a few results here and there, maybe get to the semi's of the FA cup, go out in the Europa against a half decent side, and finish 5th-7th in the prem, that is obviously enough for Woodward.
People saying they have downed tools. Those players looked shell-shocked when they came off on Thursday. I think they are just that lacking in confidence the energy levels have gone as well. Lack of confidence can drain the life out of you.
This is how we I'd like us to be looking right about now:
Manager: *Insert new manager*
-------------------------------------DE GEA---------------------------------------
DARMIAN-----------SMALLING---------------------*NEW CB*-----------------SHAW
--------------------HERRERA(from 14/15)----------*NEW CM*----------------------
*NEW RW*-------------JANUZAJ(from 13/14)/*NEW #10*-----------------*NEW LW*
------------------------------------MARTIAL---------------------------------------
Manager: *Insert new manager*
-------------------------------------DE GEA---------------------------------------
DARMIAN-----------SMALLING---------------------*NEW CB*-----------------SHAW
--------------------HERRERA(from 14/15)----------*NEW CM*----------------------
*NEW RW*-------------JANUZAJ(from 13/14)/*NEW #10*-----------------*NEW LW*
------------------------------------MARTIAL---------------------------------------
Exactly I'm actually surprised by the posters who don't see how losing confidence can affect everyone and it's not a sign of shit mentality, that's why teams have managers, that's why athletes have coaches and managers because it's easy to lose confidence and you need someone to help you deal with it.
Herrera wouldn't get near my first 11 these days (I realise you put 14/15).
He has been absolutely abysmal this year, and I couldn't care less if we sell him in the summer.
His popularity with the fans has saved him from too much stick, but he's done absolutely nothing all season.
Finally, someone who has seems to share the same view as me.
Defo has the Anderson-syndrome IMO!
What i want us to be
De Gea
Darmian - Smalling - Laporte - Shaw
Schniderlin
Herrera/Mata - Gundogan/Kroos/Sanches/CM
Greizmann - Martial - Depay
Depay will be a far better player when shaw comes back imo
And Darmain would also be better with a proper winger in front of him.
And this is how I'd like us to look like:
--------------De Gea
Darmian--Smalling--Rojo--Shaw
---Herrera--Schneiderlin--Saul
---------------Pereira
----------Rooney--Martial
Totally get what you're saying and Herrera from this season has been absolutely shocking.
But just like I said 13/14 with Januzaj, Herrera from 14/15 was fantastic and we were all saying best all round midfielder in the league, he joined our defence to our attack seamlessly and we really could use the Herrera of 14/15 as well as the Januzaj of 13/14
Don't you find it odd the way he has marginalised some players? How Januzaj and Pereira are our big prospects but have just about been ignored. That he has built up players who the fans wanted rid of Fellaini/Young/Valencia. Got rid of a Michael Keane but promotes Paddy McNair and Tyler Blackett even though in my opinion they aren't as good? He is a strange man.
You would like to think caf members who have gone through the newbies and spent hours and hours reading about football would have realised this by now but it just ain't so is it. Half a dozen replies later and there are posts about an article or twitter as if it's established fact, based on 'sources say' or 'the mirror has learned'. It's depressing.
eh?! Nowhere near good enough for top4, let alone the title!
Not really surprising. He played Diego fecking Contento over David Alaba at Bayern and didn't even want to sign Manuel Neuer.
The third one is absolute gabbage and reason why i chose to get my football opinions and discussions exclusively from a United site.
Yes, we are quite poor now, but some oppositions seem to genuinely think that we should be happy and content with that dir to our past success. Nonsensical really.
Very strange man.
Moyes was an unmitigated disaster, but I do find myself wondering if we'd be any worse off than we are now. That's sad.
I'm talking about today after the winter transfer window, and I would reach top 4 with that team, if you are a shit manager it's your problem.
The thing I find crazy with us not making a decision now, is as a minimum LVG will leave when his contract expires.
Not like this us waiting for him to become the best manager in the world in 5 years. I'm sure that affects him and the players as well
Not like this us waiting for him to become the best manager in the world in 5 years. I'm sure that affects him and the players as well
Nah but seriously, I believe that we need to build a team before thinking about the title, when we signed LVG I thought that we wouldn't win the title, so I'm in mindset of building the team piece by piece, the lineup that I proposed is easily improvable for example you can just add Griezmann or Fekir and you have a very strong attack.
My problem with other lineups is that they are basically relying on the ability of the club to sign an entire AM line which is almost impossible, our roster isn't ready for a game with wingers.
Herrera?? Januzaj? What...
He was worse for certain, but would he be worse having been allowed to spend such vast sums?
I still probably think yes, but it's one of those never to be found out jobs.
Van Gaal still has a pretty good record in the "Big" games, and I count Liverpool in that, even though you couldn't define them as a big "Team" anymore. 4 straight wins is something Fergie probably didn't manage too often.
Really hope Van Gaal can reproduce that big game form for Arsenal. Even as a last hurrah.
To be honest, at this moment in time - I'm not particularly fussed about Van Gaal being sacked over the coming weeks and months, primarily because IMO the season is now beyond the point of being salvaged. The ideal time for making a change was December - that way the new manager would atleast have the chance to assess the squad on short notice, and make some decisive moves in the winter market - before launching a proper run for the league, and Champions League qualification. That would have been a proactive measure, and could have lifted the spirits of the squad. If we remove Louis now, and bring Mourinho or whoever in - there's a massive element of failure involved - he might not hit the ground running with all the injury/ shattered morale issues (some players might down tools once they realize they're not a part of his long term vision) - and that could set an ominous tone for the new man in charge, especially if we end the season on a thud under him - in terms of missing out on the Champions League, maybe even the Europa League under his leadership.
Let Van Gaal ride out the season, let the new manager design a template for fixing our issues behind the scenes, let him identify reasonable targets for the summer and set a proper plan in motion (none of this harassing Rumminigge, or Bale/ Neymar briefing crap this time around), as well as the players in the current squad he doesn't rate - and appoint him as soon as the season is over so that he atleast has a few months to make the requisite maneuvers, and get his feet wet before competitive football rears its head. We kind of owe the new guy a clean slate instead of forcing all our problems on him, and expecting him to turn things around instantaneously in a destabilized environment - some 3/4ths into the season. If we miss out on European football, so be it - but atleast we won't be missing out with him in charge while handicapping him right from the onset.
Let Van Gaal ride out the season, let the new manager design a template for fixing our issues behind the scenes, let him identify reasonable targets for the summer and set a proper plan in motion (none of this harassing Rumminigge, or Bale/ Neymar briefing crap this time around), as well as the players in the current squad he doesn't rate - and appoint him as soon as the season is over so that he atleast has a few months to make the requisite maneuvers, and get his feet wet before competitive football rears its head. We kind of owe the new guy a clean slate instead of forcing all our problems on him, and expecting him to turn things around instantaneously in a destabilized environment - some 3/4ths into the season. If we miss out on European football, so be it - but atleast we won't be missing out with him in charge while handicapping him right from the onset.
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They are consistently one of the worst teams in the league.
they get what they can from the team in terms of revenue and care a damn about the fans. Sound familiar?
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