I refuse to buy Woodward is that clueless about what is going on but by the state of things it looks like it's true. The CEO of Man United is a complete moron.
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It honestly just looks like a case of him being too egotistical to admit he was wrong. Wrong in appointing van Gaal and wrong in sticking by him after that December spell. Like someone said above, maybe it must have been Mendes who leaked the Inter thing to the press to scare the crap out of woodward(Only speculating). But I can certainly imagine woodward being the sort who is too stubborn to admit that he's made a mistake.
We are so fecking shit. Just unbearably, embarrassingly shit. The sense that we are run by lunatics or dipshits, it just impossible to shake. Every time I see Woodward's smug little face, I want to fill it with my fist. "Watch this space"? "Watch my fists of fury, you cnut"! more like.
I'm quite drunk.
I'm quite drunk.
The drunk rave is still spot on! You need a couple more!
This.No banner or petition is more disgraceful than LvG and Ed Woodward.
Yeah I think it is.
Pulled these from F365's mailbox
Almost all of them were United related. But these caught my eye.
Thoughts ?
Almost all of them were United related. But these caught my eye.
Thoughts ?
Why is he not sacked yet?!
Sack him woody and stop wearing this fecking scarf while we're at it.
All that money and the twat can't even buy a fitted suit, he looks like his wife's gone crazy in Matalan.
It's the weekend now. Woody left 4pm on the dot yesterday, he can't be sacked now until Monday.
First 2 have some valid points particularly the first regarding SAF. The last however, IMO is complete bollocks, United fans tend to be far more patient with players and managers than most clubs. He points out all the remotely positive areas of the season but misses the key issue that most united fans have had with the club this season and that's the dog awful football that's been served up (home or away).
Look at City until they announced the change of management, they were in with a title shot and yet the board still decided to axe the manager at the end of the season as they could see a better option available. Can you seriously imagine United replacing LVG even with Pep had he been in the hunt for the title!?
We're 3 points above Liverpool who sacked a better manager (based on the last year) than LVG months ago.
Wall Street is closed. Come back on Monday.
Oh and Monday is probably a bank holiday. Come back on Tuesday. Actually don't bother with Tuesday either, that's too close to two important games. Come back in a few weeks time. But wait, that's Easter and everything is closed.
Just come back when top 4 is mathematically impossible.
Woodward can't sack him until he's got a sponsor for the dismissal.
This sacking was brought to you by Frosties .They're Greeeaaaatt.
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So trueYou're not drunk. Everyone feels the same way.
He should have been sacked yesterday! First thing in the morning!
We're missing out again aren't we?It's going to be the silver lining to the cloud of failure.
I agree with the first once I said it when Moyes was the manager, SAF and the board did something pretty bad, they should have delivered a ready made team, without instead of that they put Moyes in a situation when he had to have sucessful transfer window. And I disagree with the notion that a manager need to have "his own team" I find that notion ludicrous, a good manager will find a way to use a good roster.
The second one is just stupid, Moyes was shit and should have been fired in October when he showed that he was spineless, LVG should have been fired too not because of the results but because he has shown no intentions to attempt to change things, he uses the say formation, the same system, the same instructions and the same players despite the fact that we are bad since the Tottenham game.
The last one is WUM, Barthez comes from Marseille the popular pressure is a lot bigger there, the rest are South Americans they know how real pressure looks like.
I don't think you can call the second one stupid. Moyes if I remember correctly had one of the most difficult ever starts to a United campaign and did reasonably ok. His problems was that United were rubbish against the Top 7, but decent against the lower half. van Gaal is the inverse (Arsenal being the exception). Both of them made it worse in very different ways. But Moyes never had anyone's support right from the beginning. Not the fans, not the board, not even the players, maybe just the media. But van Gaal again is the reverse (I'm talking about initially, when he joined).
They failed or are failing for very different reasons, but that post has one semi decent point. Moyes wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. Before you go on a rant at me, I will admit he was god awful and definitely needed to go, but I'm suggesting that the extent of "Damage" he caused might have been a little exaggerated. Only a little mind you.
Agreed with the 3rd.
Still not sacked then I see....
Regarding the mailbox posts above I'd say the first two definitely have good points but the last dosent.
OK we may be kicking off but it's just because there seems to be no hope ahead as things slide slowly downwards as time goes by. It's chest for all to see that the team isn't playing with right intensity and its sense of tactical direction is all over the place. I think it's fair for us to expect a top 4 placing and to at least be beating the bottom half of the table sides regularly but that's not happening. I certainly didn't expect a title win this year but I didn't expect the level of the tween to be so so low.
We have seen so many players flop this season and that's not right, we haven't been scoring and the football is awful. I'd not a sense of entitlement its a sense of reality that things have give sour and we need a change.
OK we may be kicking off but it's just because there seems to be no hope ahead as things slide slowly downwards as time goes by. It's chest for all to see that the team isn't playing with right intensity and its sense of tactical direction is all over the place. I think it's fair for us to expect a top 4 placing and to at least be beating the bottom half of the table sides regularly but that's not happening. I certainly didn't expect a title win this year but I didn't expect the level of the tween to be so so low.
We have seen so many players flop this season and that's not right, we haven't been scoring and the football is awful. I'd not a sense of entitlement its a sense of reality that things have give sour and we need a change.
The second one his stupid because it's like saying that dying from a shark attack isn't that bad when you consider that you could burn alive. And Moyes had as much support as he could have in a big club, outside of United you are supported on your merit not on your status or history. Just recently Allegri was hated by Juventus fans, he didn't had their support from the beggining, he earned it.
The media are so tedious.
"If he loses the next match his position will come under serious threat"
*Loses*
"The next match is crucial"
*Loses*
"He still has the support, but the next match is huge. If he loses, patience will wear thin"
And repeat
"If he loses the next match his position will come under serious threat"
*Loses*
"The next match is crucial"
*Loses*
"He still has the support, but the next match is huge. If he loses, patience will wear thin"
And repeat
Thanks @Ijazz17 those posts are good reads, especially the first two because there is some truth to what they are saying. However, imo, our decline is a culmination of factors ranging SAF's last half decade, the botched successions of Gill and Ferguson resulting in that wasted window and the unmitigated disaster that's been the employment of this madman. All those are covered in one way or the other in the first two posts and even though I have no time for Moyes I'll gladly admit that we wouldn't be in this deep a ditch if he had stayed but we wouldn't be on the way up either because the man simply didn't see where he went wrong but his football, though dull and uninspiring, would have been enough to bag fourth these last two seasons especially if he had been allowed to bring in his type of players.
Now going forward we should act decisively, hell we have allowed this to go on eight weeks longer than necessary. In how we act we have to careful and avoid the pitfalls Van Gaal landed us in i.e. we should avoid the trigger happy assertions from sections labelling our squad as being all shit and need to be shipped out so that we can throw another quarter of a billion at the problem. There were problems we all identified early in the season as being short like right wing, Striker, CM and CB to get the balance of the side right then see how things would go from there under a new manager.
Now going forward we should act decisively, hell we have allowed this to go on eight weeks longer than necessary. In how we act we have to careful and avoid the pitfalls Van Gaal landed us in i.e. we should avoid the trigger happy assertions from sections labelling our squad as being all shit and need to be shipped out so that we can throw another quarter of a billion at the problem. There were problems we all identified early in the season as being short like right wing, Striker, CM and CB to get the balance of the side right then see how things would go from there under a new manager.
Yeah, I know your analogy sums it up perfectly. But I have read threads, posts here which went onto compare the two. And I did remember many saying that van Gaal is still far better than Moyes ever was. It ultimately doesn't matter ofcourse. But I do agree with a small portion of that post that said, Moyes was slated a little more than necessary.
Old article but he was wrong again.
http://talksport.com/football/watch...fergie-backs-dutchman-turn-team-world-beaters
http://talksport.com/football/watch...fergie-backs-dutchman-turn-team-world-beaters
Some fair points raised there.
They're probably just as baffled as we are why he isn't sacked yet.
But that's not what the post says, the poster that you quoted tries to put the blame on the fans, he says that Moyes wasn't that bad and should have been given more time, that's wrong he was bad and LVG is worse. What you say is correct though Moyes doesn't deserve the slating because at the end of the day he is a midtable manager.
1 Next game, FA cup, lose were are out of that competition. We would expect to reach at least the semis
2.Game after, Europa league, lose we are out of that competition. We would expect to reach at least the semis
3. Back to the league, lose to Arsenal, the gap gets too big, and the CL has gone via the league route
Win all 3, and in next round of FA and Europa league and make a big step in clawing back the gap for 4th
I agree with the first two.
About 10% of the cafe argued we were overachieving in Fergie's last season, the other 90% kept pointing to the league table and his overall record. Quite a few have changed their mind since, I think.
As for Moyes, he arrived late and took over an empty shell as far as club management and coaches went, still falsely getting blamed for staff moving on at the end of an era, and was handed a squad a lot poorer than most thought. He did lose the players however, so had to go, but who else might have succeeded we'll never know. The present twat hasn't, at any rate.
I mean are the Glazers complete idiots? They can't be right? They know next to nothing about football but they do have experience running sports franchises. Can they really place complete implicit trust in Ed, who they know is not a football man, to continually back LVG who, in his heart of hearts, will admit this season has been a completely disaster and nothing he has done has worked.
I had a dream that LVG got sacked. It felt so real that I ran to check RedCafe when I woke up, oh well.
I had a dream I was attending an event and LVG was there. I confronted him and asked him to resign. I was taken away by security.
That dream was after the Stoke defeat. No shit. Most vivid dream I've had in ages.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...al-and-has-not-spoken-with-Jose-Mourinho.html
And there you have it if this is true, is it being Loyal to VG? or is it to save woodwards own skin? because it seems woodward has gone so deep into keeping VG this season, he is at the point of no return. He sacks VG now, he will be blamed, why didn't he do it at Christmas? The reality is we have so many problems throughout the club, VG is the flagship of this problem
And there you have it if this is true, is it being Loyal to VG? or is it to save woodwards own skin? because it seems woodward has gone so deep into keeping VG this season, he is at the point of no return. He sacks VG now, he will be blamed, why didn't he do it at Christmas? The reality is we have so many problems throughout the club, VG is the flagship of this problem
I seem to recall there were rumours that we'd met with Van Gaal in spring of 2014, several weeks before we sacked David Moyes, that leaked and the club then panicked and put out stories that reports of the meeting were false.
We'll end this season trophyless again and with no champions league season all because those in charge haven't a fecking club about football.
I've said it for a while now and the sad truth is those at the top see us as customers rather than fans, have done for some time now. They simply don't give a feck.
I've said it for a while now and the sad truth is those at the top see us as customers rather than fans, have done for some time now. They simply don't give a feck.
Load of shit. The third one I mean, first and second have something in them but I can't agree with just everything.
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