Something will have to be done soon. Even if Woodward and his cronies don't care about the shiteness of our footballing situation, they will worry about all this negative publicity putting off new sponsorship partners.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Plot twist - Woodward actually wants him out
The genuinely despressing thing about these reports coming out is that they make it out as if we can just find a way to beat the almighty Shrewsbury, all will be well and right once more, and there will be no reason for Woody & Company to further contemplate managerial changes again.
It is fecking torture, because I'm genuinely torn at this point between wanting us to actually win, or to lose and lose and lose in order to seal the deal that will see us rid of the imposter we have in charge right now. It's a terrible feeling, and I blame the people in charge of the hiring and firing for putting me in such an aching conondrum.
That is the logical side of it. Emotionally, I'm just bordeline apathetic to what happens on the pitch at the moment.
It is fecking torture, because I'm genuinely torn at this point between wanting us to actually win, or to lose and lose and lose in order to seal the deal that will see us rid of the imposter we have in charge right now. It's a terrible feeling, and I blame the people in charge of the hiring and firing for putting me in such an aching conondrum.
That is the logical side of it. Emotionally, I'm just bordeline apathetic to what happens on the pitch at the moment.
The "egos at the club" part is interesting. Does it indicate that perhaps figures like Fergie/Charlton (for example), are wanting Giggs in charge, while Woodward insists on Mourinho?
Famous Dutch Clowns:
1. Pipo De Clown
2. Louis Van Gaal
3. Bassie
4. Zwarte Piet
1. Pipo De Clown
2. Louis Van Gaal
3. Bassie
4. Zwarte Piet
Copy cats in cheap suits
Are playing it safe
While cannibals of bad news
Consume a parade
Are playing it safe
While cannibals of bad news
Consume a parade
Well said, that's how I feel as well.
As for the bolded part, this shit has been the story of our season. That's exactly how he ''saved'' his job with that 0-0 draw against Chelsea despite the embarrassing defeats before that. There are stories coming out about a potential sacking, but we all know it won't happen before the end of the season. He's going to ''save'' his job again on Monday.
Possibly Charlton, but doesn't Fergie have a good relationship with Mourinho? And surely someone as wise as him can't truly believe in Giggs as the next manager of Manchester United.
He has a good relationship with Mourinho, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wants him to be manager of Manchester United...especially if he views Giggs as a potential successor to LVG, and has given Giggs his backing. Fergie may be wise, but he was heavily involved in the disastrous appointment of Moyes. I think he's a bit of a romantic, and possibly sees the appointment of Giggs as being a romantic move by the club.
That's pure speculation though...for all we know, Fergie and Charlton want Mourinho, and it's the Glazers who don't...as massively unlikely as that is.
Am beyond disillusioned......
He went round to David Moyes house and said the words "you are the next Man Utd manager." Didn't SAF say that Giggs would have succeeded him as Utd manager had he retired at 35? Trust me he fully supports the notion of Giggs as our manager. Choosing successors is his one weak point
So 22% of us think we'll lose 5-0 to Shrewsbury on monday.
That's the spirit lads
That's the spirit lads
Its quite possible,Keane seems to think SAF has a big say in the club post retirement.Bitter or not,he may be telling the truth.
Roy Keane believes Sir Alex Ferguson is still trying to exert "control and power" at Man Utd despite his retirement.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ays-sir-alex-ferguson-wants-control-and-power
Yeah, but if Woody wants Maureen, I wouldn't call that a "power struggle" (which is what's beeing suggested). By all accounts Woody is a mere extension of the Glazers. If the Glazers want Maureen, there's nothing Fergie can do about it.
So, IF there actually is a power struggle going on, I'd suggest that Fergie (and the known football people at United) have more influence than we have presumed, and that the struggle is between him (or them) and Woody (who has less influence than we presumed).
I doubt there is a power struggle, though. As far as I know the Glazers have all the power - and Woody is their instrument. So, there doesn't seem to be any room for an actual struggle.
That was posted in December 2013. The article is about the Moyes era.
So, if we take this story as gospel, we have senior players in a strop and undermining the manager while almost being guaranteed to play in the first team and picking up an enormous pay packet every week. Didn't this forum and almost every United fan on the planet rightly despise Rooney when he did that? At least he had the decency to put his name to it.
Yet this is being lapped up because it's a manager rather than players/money they want?
Yet this is being lapped up because it's a manager rather than players/money they want?
Don't think Keane was referring to just then but probably all the time.
Senior players aren't blind. They're not in a strop, the article says they still think well of Van Gaal, but they can see that following his instructions isn't working. Imagine if the story read:
"Senior players content they're happy with Van Gaal and want the club to give the Dutchman more time to turn things around"
They've been in a strop on the pitch for weeks if not months, knowing full well they're well out of the firing line when it comes to blame for performances and results. But hey, let's give them what they want, there is absolutely no examples where letting players dictate who is and isn't the club's manager leads to instability in world football. Just ask the guy they want to bring in.
Of Course I did.Admit you didn't read the date on the article
I fear for his personal safety at this rate. He is going to get lynched soon enough if we carry on like this for another month...
I wonder if we might ask Van Gaal to stay on in a part-time advisory role overseeing the academy. Yes results on the pitch have been awful but reports indicate he's been heavily involved in formulating plans for revamping the academy and to be fair he does have a decent record with that. Could be a way of getting out of his final year, keep in on books for his final year albeit in different role and then continuing after the 2016/17 season on a new contract specifically for that advisory role with the academy.
He's well liked within the club and he's going to otherwise retire. I think it'd be a nice touch to give him a job away from the first team from this summer onwards.
He's well liked within the club and he's going to otherwise retire. I think it'd be a nice touch to give him a job away from the first team from this summer onwards.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...gaal-would-leave-if-he-lost-the-dressing-room
That should be that, then. He'll be gone within a week. If this is true, he'll jump before he's pushed.
"They've been in a strop on the pitch for weeks if not months, knowing full well they're well out of the firing line when it comes to blame for performances and results. But hey, let's give them what they want, there is absolutely no examples where letting players dictate who is and isn't the club's manager leads to instability in world football. Just ask the guy they want to bring in."
Absolutely this. Plus, it's not the example you want to set for the young players. Not that LVG is blameless - but the players are really letting us down as well if this is true.
"I wonder if we might ask Van Gaal to stay on in a part-time advisory role overseeing the academy. Yes results on the pitch have been awful but reports indicate he's been heavily involved in formulating plans for revamping the academy and to be fair he does have a decent record with that. Could be a way of getting out of his final year, keep in on books for his final year albeit in different role and then continuing after the 2016/17 season on a new contract specifically for that advisory role with the academy.
He's well liked within the club and he's going to otherwise retire. I think it'd be a nice touch to give him a job away from the first team from this summer onwards."
Think this would be a good idea as well. I think he needs to go because it's just not working - but if he has anything to offer behind the scenes, then what you've suggested sounds fair to me. Seems unlikely it would happen though.
Absolutely this. Plus, it's not the example you want to set for the young players. Not that LVG is blameless - but the players are really letting us down as well if this is true.
"I wonder if we might ask Van Gaal to stay on in a part-time advisory role overseeing the academy. Yes results on the pitch have been awful but reports indicate he's been heavily involved in formulating plans for revamping the academy and to be fair he does have a decent record with that. Could be a way of getting out of his final year, keep in on books for his final year albeit in different role and then continuing after the 2016/17 season on a new contract specifically for that advisory role with the academy.
He's well liked within the club and he's going to otherwise retire. I think it'd be a nice touch to give him a job away from the first team from this summer onwards."
Think this would be a good idea as well. I think he needs to go because it's just not working - but if he has anything to offer behind the scenes, then what you've suggested sounds fair to me. Seems unlikely it would happen though.
I'm genuinely struggling to think why we haven't done so. I really don't want Giggs as our next manager, but if we're simply waiting for Mourinho to take over in the Summer - then just give Giggs the temporary job until then, or find a caretaker in the mean time. Is that dangerous to trust Giggs for the next 3 months? Sure. But we're showing a disgusting precedent by not sacking a manager here who has clearly taken us to a worse state than what we were with Moyes. We've actually regressed and that in itself is astonishing. Our form is relegation material. We've become one of the laughing stocks of football, and the club doesn't seem to give a flying shit.
It's as if we're slowly turning into a business first, performance second kind of team. The lack of balls/action from the men upstairs just goes to show what a poorly run club we are. We may be rich, but us fans gain nothing from that. We're in the shadow of so many clubs right now. Sure we can't expect the club to have success annually, but the way we've just fallen is just sickening. The "Have another go - if we try it plenty of times, it'll work!" mentality is our club's moto right now.
I couldn't agree more mate. It's disgusting that it's been allowed to come to this.
That's clearly already happened. Even back in the Fergie days. However, it's blindingly obvious even to those who don't have a clue about football that LVG is done. It's just fecking odd that he's still there after all the pathetic defeats. He could've been sacked months ago and it would've been deserved then.
Fergie and Charlton don't have a say. If I remember right it's an executive board which is basically Woody and the Glazers.
Same here it's sickening that they've not sacked him when 100% of any other clubs would have, and it's really pissing me off that they're saying absolutely nothing, like we don't give a shit about the fans we don't need to tell them anything when a simple (jose is coming in the summer) would at least calm our fears.
supposedly 2 tables. the football table with Fergie, Gill, Sir Bobby. And the decision making table with Ed and the Glazers
There is someone else on the decision table but I cant for the life of me remember who he is.
Richard Arnold.
That's the man.
There is also Jamieson Reigle.
Now him I've never heard of. What is his position?
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