Can you point out the similarities in the managers?
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Only one thing to say, he is 64 and it was a 3 year project.
The players could do better, but the tactics at times are woeful. The substitutions are woeful and the not signing of players when obviously needed is woeful. That is all the manager.
He his the master of the "False Dawn".
That's simply not true .
The reason he coached lesser teams in the first place was because of his failures in the early part of the 2000's .
After doing a good job at Barca in the late 90's, then failed to qualify for the world cup with a star studded Dutch side against a Mick McCarthy coached team. His next job was a return to Barca, where he was fired within 6 months. His stock took a huge hit at the time, and that is a major reason why he chose to return to Ajax as a d.o.f.
It was only after falling out with Koeman that he returned to management with AZ. As for winning the Dutch league, so did Steve McClaren with FC Twente, and they arent some major force either.
The reason he didnt win a treble with Bayern was simply because he was tactically outwitted by a superior manager in Jose Mourinho. What Jose realized at the time, that a lot of premier league managers have also figured is that you can simply allow Van Gaal's teams to hog the ball without much impact, then hit them on the break.Diego Milito and co did that to great effect on that night in Madrid. Yet, Van Gaal never learnt his lesson or evolved to deal with that. Its the same thing reason why relatively less experienced managers in the EPL have found him easy to deal with.
Van Gaal biggest weakness is a failure to evolve with the times. Its something a truly special manager like Sir Alex did very well, best shown in his period of success post 2005. That's how a manager becomes outdated.
Not true. You can't attribute his failure as "just happen to fall out with the players." Any manager can use that as an excuse. Rivaldo was sold in his second barca stint. Who were these players he fell out with that cost him? didn't he have a lot of his Dutch mates playing for Barcelona at the time? He had Van Buyten and Demichelis as CB because he SOLD a world class CB Lucio to the team who DID actually win the treble. His fault. Even if Bayern had a mediocre team by their standards, they are still the number 1 team in Germany and had better players than all the other German teams. didn't Steve Maclaren win the Eridivisie? Not quite the same as winning the prem with Everton which I know he could not do. He's past it, deal with it.
Must surely sack him now, I see nothing improving and it's only likely to get worse from this point onwards.
I will repeat myself but he is 64 and it's rare to see successful 64 years old managers. Saying that he is past it shouldn't even been considered insulting. So I agree with you.
We'll get to the end of the season and it will be painfully obvious that run of 3 wins in 18 or whatever it was ruined the entire season and is when we should have changed things. We're just riding the rest of the season out now after that run, no CL or League to fight for, top 4 all but gone. No one would have said we were too hasty or harsh after we lost that 4th game in a row to change managers but we're either stupid or Woodward is too blinded by arrogance to do anything.
Can't say it any better
I just give up at this stage.
When you become a circus, it should be no surprise to find a clown in charge.
Every day that he is kept in is another day of the club willfully accepting mediocrity
Every day that he is kept in is another day of the club willfully accepting mediocrity
Why is it only LVG who is getting the blame? The players have been absolutely shambolic too. That last 20 minutes against Chelsea and the performance today were shameful. There's only so far you can blame their lack of confidence, at some point the experienced players should stand up and show some leadership. They've been far too content to hide behind a manager who has backed them publicly all the way.
I did a while ago.
I've learned by now that there is simply no point in getting angry and all worked up about it, which is sad in and of itself.
We've failed to win 17 of our last 26 games.
This shouldn't even be a debate, Jose Mourinho should already be our manager.
This shouldn't even be a debate, Jose Mourinho should already be our manager.
ThisThe club is using up too much mental energy for me, that I must agree. Better off just accepting the mediocrity at this point, as that's the way the club is heading.
Shocking stat. I think we're going to keep LVG until there is nothing left to lose which is foolish. Bring Jose in now, let him have a crack at Europa League to save our season.
Well done to Ed Woodward and the other idiots.
I always try and remind myself that the people in charge behind the scenes at a club like United are fully qualified and know what they're doing, but in actuality, it looks increasingly that they do not know what they're doing.
Absolute shambles that LVG wasn't sacked in December, and it beyond comical that he's still here now. Unless Mourinho is 100% coming in this summer, then I give up. It's beyond a joke and a prime example of how not to run a football club.
While this is a valid point, I can't help but feel that if Van Gaal didn't make his default move of subbing in Depay, we wouldn't have drawn that Chelsea game. That's just one move he's made that wrong, and there's plenty more where that came from.
He has been allowed to sell and get rid of a lot of players, and bring in his own like Blind, Schweinsteiger and Depay and has generally been afforded a lot of freedom. Hell, we went through a month without a win, and god knows how much longer without scoring in the first half and he's still here. That's why I think nobody should be complaining about him being unfairly done by. This isn't some unfortunate figurehead of a manager without any sort of control on the first team who's been hung to dry. The players stinking up the place have all been his own for months now.
There seems to be a worry that if Mourinho doesn't turn the last few games around that he'll have the stigma of failing from the off, which is strange logic because the season is already a disaster. There is really no point in keeping LVG in charge because all we'll be doing is riding out the last few games and waiting for him to be gotten rid of. I don't see why Mourinho can't be told to start now and we give him some time to evaluate the players in what is pretty much a dead season.
Agree 100%. I'm sure he's watching though.
I actually think they need to announce something as the clubs morale is at rock bottom. The whole lot needs a lift.
He's got rid of most of the experienced players.
It must surely be a monetary and lack of other options reasoning as to why we have not sacked him yet, I dont believe the reports that Woodward talked him out of resigning either. There must be some mutual agreement he walks at the end of the season unless he qualifies for CL. I personally can't see us getting far past the 60 point mark this season so there is absolutely no chance we are getting top 4 and I would not even put 50p on us winning the Europa League.
Maybe Giggs doesn't want to sit as care taker for the remainder if he is not to be offered the top job (which should 100% be the case) so maybe they have discussed the idea with Jose and he (as speculated) doesn't want to join us two thirds through this dismal season. If this is the case I do not blame him one bit, basically I think we are just stuck with LvG until May to avoid a big pay off and being fecked coach wise for the next 3 months.
Its possible I couldn't be further from right in my assumption but this is what I think is happening.
Wouldn't be a bad idea. But what kind of announcement would it be? To be honest, the only thing that would give me a lift (and probably a lot of other fans as well) would be the sacking of LVG and Woodward with Mourinho coming in.
We should hire him then immediately sack him. Getting rid of the twat has saved Chelsea's season.
Would be interesting to see Quique Flores here. What a job he's done at Watford.
Oh I agree, he's made some awful decisions. I am by no means absolving him of the blame that's coming his way. I just think some of the players are getting a little bit of a free pass because of it. In particular, players like Rooney and Mata should be bailing the team out on days like this with a bit of magic and instead they are a major part of the malaise. Schweinsteiger hasn't done anything to impart some steel and fight into this team either, that I can see.
I think this as well, and is the only realistic reason why we're in the situation we're in right now. At least I hope that is the reason, because anything else wouldn't cut it.
If we start giving it to anyone, then I would also want to see a horse in charge. Or a pigeon.
I am sure VG is putting his case accross scholes has a huge part in the the negative impact in the stands, makes you wonder what he thinks of the fans that scholes has turned the fans, not it has anything to do with the job he has done, that is so bad it's a laughing stock. It shows just how blind VG is, that he can't see the failure of his own job, and that is the worst part he's pointing fingers at everyone but himself
Not to mention he actually has 0 game impact as a manager. His presence in the technical area, his ability to influence games while the game is actually happening and make impactful substitutions are nonexistent.
While players are at fault for the terrible last 20 minutes at Chelsea, their manager was sitting on his arse like a statue looking gloomy, not trying to make tactical changes, not trying to influence their performance.
Today when they showed our bench around the 90th minute of the game i saw just acceptance... Acceptance that we are not going to score or even try to equalize. I saw defeat and the look of a man that knows his days are numbered.
He would at least flow away by now.
He is like a doctor who still thinks 90's medical practices work in today's hospitals, unless you can work with the times you will lose your job, it's just our club thinks he still can turn it around. He's the living embodiment of a football dinassur, and we are feeling his outdated practices. If he was a doctor and his practices kept killing the patients, I wonder what his excuses would be?
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