Those football men left Woodward with the present of Moyes and a squad that hadn't been invested in properly in 4/5 years
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And I think they care for footballing reasons too, everyone wants to win. The problem is that you are trying to rationalize their failure by pretending that they don't care, like people pretended that Hazard could be the GOAT if he wanted to. The truth is that they are trying to be successful but they are failing miserably.
I'm not and I resent that comparison
So still no sign of a sacking. We really are a laughing stock
If he has publically given up on top 4 then what is Woodward waiting for? This is a shambles, the whole club is directionless.
the thing is, LVG has intimated that a top four is kind of out of the question, and that the Europa league is a way in. Which he has also said is very difficult because there are so many good teams, which it very true. So by saying that, he's kind of saying we won't make it. Which means Woody should grab his commercial balls and let him go now....simples....
Should've been sacked months ago when we were still in the mix, for whatever reason he wasn't and he's dragging us further and further away from the top 4. Unbelievable negligence from the decision makers at the club.
You mean Premiership Champions?
Sorry.
But seriously they are just failing, there is nothing else behind it.
If success on the field is really important to them why is LVG still in charge?
Also do you think finishing 4th every season would bother them if there was no financial impact?
Last season when we had that spell of being a good to watch, well-organised team that was getting good results we were wholly based on triangles. On the right we had Mata, Herrera and Valencia, on the left we had Blind, Fellaini and Young. The players had a proper understanding and always knew they had two passes available before they even got the ball and didn't need to look up. I don't see any of our players having any such relationships and interplay any more. Its been completely scrapped and with it the identity he was trying to create has collapsed. I don't understand what he wants to happen now when the players go on to the pitch, what is the drill in training, Give the ball to martial and hope it goes well for him? Possession style football is all about disorganising opponents but we in no way do that. I think we are stuck with him until its mathematically impossible to get champions league and I guess that would also involve being out of the Europa league as that is obviously a route too. I think in about 10 matches time the he will be sacked and we will announce we are now looking for a new manager, I think its already obvious this has happened but giving Mourinho the job now makes little sense from his perspective as he can see he needs a big transfer window to fix the gaping holes in the squad and playing out the rest of the season with a substandard squad after the season he's had won't do much for his reputation.
It's obvious LvG will sit out the season, with Mourinho taking over in May.
Because they are scared of taking the wrong decision.
The ineptitude of the Moyes season was strangely amusing. A man increasingly out of his depth, making public statements which betrayed his state of mind: that of a man winning the lottery and landing a job too big for him. The results were head-shaking, the tactics more so, yet it remained perversely funny.
There's no amusement here. For all the big jobs/fixes Van Gaal has delivered in the past, this genuinely looks like a bridge too far. He wasn't supposed to flounder like Moyes, not with his level of experience. Problem is, I think the fight has gone. He has one eye on the Algarve. I think he was there before he was offered a last hurrah with the chance to manage the biggest club in England.
I honestly don't know what happens or where we go next, but it is time to roll the dice again.
There's no amusement here. For all the big jobs/fixes Van Gaal has delivered in the past, this genuinely looks like a bridge too far. He wasn't supposed to flounder like Moyes, not with his level of experience. Problem is, I think the fight has gone. He has one eye on the Algarve. I think he was there before he was offered a last hurrah with the chance to manage the biggest club in England.
I honestly don't know what happens or where we go next, but it is time to roll the dice again.
Not scared enough to consult the likes of SAF, Gill etc though?
The onus is then on the owners to make changes. Starting with Woodward.
I don't understand your point.
They listened to Gill and SAF, which led them to appoint Moyes, a seemingly safe bet since he was an experienced PL coach, able to achieve his goals with Everton, after that they appointed an other seemingly safe manager in LVG a man who saw everything in football and won everywhere, I suppose that now they are asking themselves what they should do, go for a third experienced manager, go for a volatile character like Mourinho, go for a young manager like Pocchetino or go for a rookie like Giggs.
68%...that kind of surprises me....
There's no "decision" to make, really.
The only option that is sitting clearly in front of them is to sack LVG and hire Mourinho. There is no other realistic option given our situation, thus, deciding and delegating isn't necessary. They're not scared, it's called being fecking incompetent.
I disagree because Woodward is a rookie in a tough job and he is a rookie without day to day technical support he needs time (we are not going to replace him with Galli or Beppe Marotta) , I will use my broken record but that's why continental clubs use technical directors.
Your point is really unclear here. I was asking why they aren't asking more experienced football people within the club for input if they are as scared to make the wrong decision as you say they are. You just gave me a summary if the obvious options???
Is there a way you can see the changing percentage on the polls? would be interesting to know how the caf was divided at the start of the thread.
Manning/Crosby/LeBron here we come! Playoffs should be within reach in 3 years time, here's hoping they pick up a few good trades before the deadline.
I tend to agree that the board would be content with us just trodding along within the top 4 and winning a cup here and there. There simply isnt a desire to be the best , not just in Manchester, but in Europe again.
When we were knocked out of the group stage by Wolfsburg, Woodward basically briefed the British media that the club wasnt worried, as the money was now in the premier league due to the new tv deal.For a club our size, to lack the ambition to become European champions especially considering our history with the competition was just tragic.
Getting back to the top means lots of spending. In a investor call not so along ago, Woodward was already indicating that we might rein in our spending.
Obviously there is a decision to make, don't pretend that you wouldn't ask yourself if Mourinho is the right man when you just saw him completely fail with Chelsea in the last 6 months. They will ask themselves if he isn't like LVG and Moyes a safe appointment that will blow up in their faces, it's easy to play billy big bollocks on the internet but when you have to take the decision, when you are already in trouble it's a lot less obvious.
Otherwise I agree, Mourinho should be the one.
Please, Woody, please. Make it stop.
Because they already consulted these experienced people and they answered:" Hire Moyes".
Congrats Spoons, enjoy it mate.
This is really stupid. SAF and Gill have had decades of success in football. One wrong decision doesn't make them fools. Ed appointed Van Gaal. Why should he get a second go at it? He's done nothing in football
Good post - but add paragraphs ffs.
Second half of last season was so promising - the chemistry between Herrera, Mata, Valencia. Also, in the summer we strengthened the left side with Depay and Martial.
For some reason Van Gaal decided to scrap all that.
You just need to look at the previous 4 windows under Ferguson to see the squad wasn't invested in properly and we have had to make lots of signings to fix it. The whole defence for example was in the late 30s except Rafael who was always injured. Midfield had the likes of Cleverly and Anderson in the squad. Just because Ferguson won titles with it doesn't mean it was a squad left in good condition. Even the star player RVP lowered in quality pretty quickly.
And you can't ignore the fact they left Moyes in charge of it, a manager who had never won anything in his life.
Obviously it's stupid, that's why they keep making mistakes.
I'll agree Moyes turned out to be a disaster. LvG has had the money and time to implement his own philosophy. He's failed miserably. Let's not make excuses and blame Moyes and Sir Alex for LvG's abject failures.
SAF shouldn't have a say in who the manager is. He appointed Moyes. He wanted O'Neil to replace him back in 2001 when he originally was going to retire. No doubt he'd go for Giggs this tie.!
We need to get a DOF in. But before that we need to hire the only world class manager available which is Jose Mourinho.
We need to get a DOF in. But before that we need to hire the only world class manager available which is Jose Mourinho.
Don't forget Sven Göran Ericson and Alex Mcleish
SAF really doesn't have a clue when it comes to picking the right manager
That was then, way back in December when we still had a chance of rescuing the season by sacking him and signing a couple of players to address the obvious gaps within the squad. LvG had effectively given up after the Norwich and Stoke defeats but when confronted with an obvious decision the board froze or was too cheap to sack him. Then we had something to salvage now not so thus it's pointless to sack him when all is lost.
I wasn't defending LVG? I'm just saying that it's not all Woodwards fault that he was given Moyes to deal with by the 'football men' Ferguson and Charlton.
"Owners and Woodward are definitely not football men. However, to be fair, they left Sir Alex, Bobby and Gill in charge. It's since the change to Woodward and retirement of Sir Alex and Gill it's been a debacle."
The debacle started with Moyes which wasn't done by Woodward
I was all for firing him now; but what's the point tbh? Let's assume Mourinho takes over the in the summer. What are we going to do until then? The Giggs caretaker thing? Can't see why Giggs would even want to take that role. The season is a write off now. The time to fire him was after the worst December in our histroy, when Mourinho was available and the transfer window was about to open. Now it's all just a waste of time.
May as well let him retire with some dignity in the summer. Hopefully he gets a nice pay off for the work he has done....and he has done some good work at times......and we can move on as a club and a fan base.
May as well let him retire with some dignity in the summer. Hopefully he gets a nice pay off for the work he has done....and he has done some good work at times......and we can move on as a club and a fan base.
That would be right in most cases but the Sirs seem dead set on bringing in a rookie based on absolutely nothing but sentiment and cronysim. Van Gaal is turning out to be a very poor hire but at least there was a method to the process - the guy has a CV that would make him a serious candidate for any managerial job in world football.
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