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Do you want LVG sacked?

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Touseef said:
I was of that opinion too but honestly I'm struggling to see how he will get us top four like this... He is lucky there isn't a Klopp waiting to be hired. It's a tough one for the board IF we have two options i.e. getting Ancelotti now or Pep in the summer.. Ofcourse its possible Pep isn't coming in the summer and wants City.

However I personally would just get Carlo if he wants to come. He can be around for a decade and more importantly, can get us top 4 this season and have a platform to build with. It's going to be tough if we are out of top four because you better believe the other teams will be strengthening significantly. I also feel the EPL teams will start dominating CL (atleast 3-4 teams reaching quarters with maybe 2 in the Semis) and if we lose out on top 4 this year, that could hold us back by 2-3 years
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I just rate Pep a lot higher than Carlo. In fact, I'm not even convinced by Carlo being the nailed on second best option. I'd obviously be very happy if he was appointed but he's not someone I particularly want us to bend over for without giving pep a good shot.
 
Riz said:
The only alternative for the rest of the season is Giggs. People saying bring in Ancelotti have to realise that can't happen until the summer when we'd be better off targeting Guardiola anyway. Which leaves Giggs till the end of the season, I'm not saying Giggs is a car crash waiting to happen and Van Gaal would do better I just think we need to realise the alternative is a gamble.
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Like I said in the post, every managerial appointment is a gamble. At this point, players have completely lost trust in LVG which is clearly visible on the pitch. No fight.

Even though Giggs is a gamble, its a gamble worth taking at this point.
 
Ancelotti had a horrible spell at Chelsea in late 2010 but still sorted them out enough to finish 2nd that year. He won the double in his first season with some immense attacking Football.

His record in Europe is unreal and, with an appropriate financial backing with for some reason he didn't get at Chelsea and he didn't seem to be in control of at Real Madrid, he would do well here.

We are only 3 points off the top and if we get a decent manager in and spend a little in January we could properly do something still this season.

Van Gall is doing his best to keep us in a top 4 battle and already has us out of 2 cups, we were just awful in Europe.
 
niMic said:
The fact that we had a more inexperienced team if hit by almost as many injuries as us says more about the squad size than it does anything else.
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absolutely, you won't find anyone in the world saying different. LVG has always has paper thin squads and needs to change it for the premiership asap
 
Going for Carlo now would mean no pep

If Lvg gets sacked it will have to be a caretaker for 6 months which would mean Giggs
 
amolbhatia50k said:
There is between 4th and 7th. I have faith in LVG to make the former happen. I have none in Giggs.
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We're not that far apart in our views. Only thing is, I'm losing my faith in LVG to get us 4th and maybe it's the optimist in me, but I actually don't Giggs could have us playing any worse.
 
Even if we sack him, half the fecking squad is out which was half the god damned issue today. Any new guy will still have the issue.
 
I initially wanted to keep LVG until the end of this season and then let him go in the summer. I thought that LVG would still be able to have stumble to 4th place with no trophies, just like last season (although even 4th place would have been a very disappointing season IMO). But with our recent form, our awful football, and our players generally looking lost, I think it's time for LVG to go. This isn't just a recent stretch, it's relegation form for the past 10+ matches. This has become very reminiscent of the Moyes era. LVG even downplayed the club expectations recently, just like Moyes did.

However, this season is still salvageable, and we should ensure that we have CL football next season, as it makes a tremendous difference in attracting talent/manager candidates, and the money we get from it. I don't know if Ancelotti would be willing to take the job mid season, but surely, Giggs can't be any worse than LVG as an interim manager till the end of the season. At least Giggs will probably get this team playing better football, and the results can't get any worse than they are now. Also, I'd imagine that Giggs is a lot more well liked than LVG by the players and personnel anyway.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
4th looks incredibly hard at the moment. 4 wins in our last 14 FFS. Sack him now. In 5 minutes, I say.
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totally agree. Spurs win tomorrow and we are out of top four. Pool win and they're 3 points behind us. That shouldn't be a worrying scenario if we had a manger who seems to have answers. Sadly you can't win 4 out 14 and be relied upon.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Won't be as easy as that by the looks of things, City and Arsenal are nailed on top 4, Chelsea are obviously gone but Spurs and Liverpool could easily give us a hard time of it, expect Leicester to fade away though still so not including them.

The stress of getting top 4 last season almost finished me off so not going there again this season, if we fall out of it then so be it.

Unless the club are bluffing then Pep seems a bit of pipe dream, would be quite happy with Carlo though, reckon he's made for the club.
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Probably worse than that

I'd rate Palace as a better top 4 candidate than you

As for Spurs or Liverpool, they will definitely give you a hard time.

Top 4 seems a dream
 
Red Dreams said:
I'm only interested in the results. And he has failed us. His handling of players..in and out. Substitutions...crazy.

the current players are obviously talking to their former mates.
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Maybe, but I've never liked back-stabbing, especially when it's done to get someone's job. But United was like that when Busby retired and now we're seeing a repeat post-Fergie. If, and it's a big if, we want Guardiola in next season, then the club is going to have to get rid of Giggs. He's clearly not happy with being second fiddle and we know he can't be trusted. Interesting times ahead.
 
lilcurt said:
I am sick of hearing about how close we are to the top and that should by him credit.

Let's look at this in the light of day shall we.

All the other big clubs are also having pretty poor seasons with there managers also facing the sack (apart from Arsene because Arsenal gave up on trophies years ago).

By Monday it will be Leicester fecking City who could be 6 points ahead of us, they are having a good season yes. But it says a lot more about the top clubs than anything else.

We have been completely humbled in Europe. For me this completely makes the scramble for fourth last season pointless. I don't get paid by the club so the moneyside of things doesn't bother me.

Speaking of money, we Spunked loads of that in the summer and still appear worse overall, that's some going. Chica has scored a hat trick today and 3 more goals than our team as a whole since he left us. LVG thought he wasn't worth a chance.

I'm on a role, following on players and chances... Nick Powell, a player who had seemingly been cast aside is now coming on in consecutive games, arguably in both games for our most likely scorer\creator at that moment.

Now I know we are in the midst of an injury crisis (which raises questions on the training again!) But we've spent 250m in 18 months! We have let players go without replacing them, those who have been replaced have been so with inexperienced kids who can't be expected to be world beaters overnight.

As you can tell I am done with LVG. His rigid style and reluctance to adapt stagnating us in mediocrity, and with only a 3 year stint planned I don't see the point is continuing this experiment. It's obvious whoever comes in will do things vastly different so we May's well move on that now.

Ancelloti is available and a manager I think would match the ambition and styles of the club. Otherwise give it to Giggs until the end of the season and get Pep.
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Slevs said:
Can we honestly stop saying this? After we face Pool away, City away, Chelsea home/away, Arsenal home, Spurs away we won't be anywhere close to the top of the table.

We're only in this position because we haven't played the extremely tough fixtures yet.
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Come on lads. Read the rest of my post. I'm saying he should go too.
 
The problem for LVG is that there's no chance that chap sat next to Sir Bobby this evening told him "another 4 place race next year would be acceptable" when they met at the end of last season/the summer. Woodward would not be a happy chappy even if we're stuck in a 4th place battle, even if we win it.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Going for Carlo now would mean no pep

If Lvg gets sacked it will have to be a caretaker for 6 months which would mean Giggs
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Ancelotti is just as good as Pep for me. And Pep doesn't stay Long term anywhere anyway so far.

Plus Ancelotti doesn't have a fixed style as such and can adapt with what he has bit like SAF. Good man manager too.



Don't mind caretaker Giggs too. If he does well he can stay and if he doesn't then we look at it in the summer.
 
justboy68 said:
No one can deny we need a couple of players in January. At least an attacker or two. We also need a new manager. There's always multiple factors that go into a failure, our squad right now is weak and thin. LvG also isn't getting good enough performances out of those we do have.
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squad is weak and thin, i don't agree with second bit, think we are doing okay for how little attacking talent we have, and think that giving all these kids a go may pay off longer term, but certainly not short term.

would love if we strengthened in january, if there ever was a year for it...
 
I don't think the players are on board with whatever he's doing, so there's a big risk things could get worse if he isn't sacked soon.

I know most people want pep, but ancelotti would be a perfect replacement, the fact that most real madrid players are raving about him till now tells you something.
 
Touseef said:
However I personally would just get Carlo if he wants to come. He can be around for a decade
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He can what?
He did 8 years at his peak at Milan in his most successful period, but look at the rest of his career, it's all 2 yearers.
 
dwd said:
That's what I fear about appointing Ancelotti.
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Agreed. I wouldn't want Ancelotti.

We need a young, current manager, who is fresh, have new ideas and are well in touch with the modern game. Someone in the ilk of Pep or Klopp. Not old, past their prime guys.

Spoony said:
11??

Surely you jest.
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JPRouve said:
According to physioroom it's 6, all of them starters.
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Yeah, just checked physio room, they say 6. I swear I read it was 11 somewhere, 6 seems quite low considering how talked about their injuries have been.
 
niMic said:
Physioroom.com says six. We had seven before the game, nine now. It doesn't list Schneiderlin for us, though, so how much stock we should put in that is up for debate.
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Six first teamers? Yeah there's no excuse for losing that game whatsoever.

I can't see us not going into freefall in January. I think he's lost the dressing room.
 
What he said today was the last straw for me. That we have to accept that our days of dominance are over and we can't be compared to 5 or 10 years ago. Yet HE harps on about his past managerial experiences ??

He was brought in to actually get us back to the top. Now he's just covering his own sorry ass by saying we shouldn't be expecting any success whilst he's here.

The guy's a joke and he's got to go....though as much as I hate it, I would jettison him out the club at the end of the season !
 
Can someone post what did the buffoon say in the post match presser?
 
RexHamilton said:
We're not that far apart in our views. Only thing is, I'm losing my faith in LVG to get us 4th and maybe it's the optimist in me, but I actually don't Giggs could have us playing any worse.
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I'm worried too, mate. I just have no faith whatsoever in Giggs, and there's always that feeling that someone with proven pedigree will at least eventually manage top 4.
 
JPRouve said:
They were terrible even when he had good players on the bench.
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for the manager, not the players.

Carlo won't come mid season, so what then ? Not saying everything is rosy but there isn't a go to decision to make here.
 
DarkXaero said:
I initially wanted to keep LVG until the end of this season and then let him go in the summer. I thought that LVG would still be able to have stumble to 4th place with no trophies, just like last season (although even 4th place would have been a very disappointing season IMO). But with our recent form, our awful football, and our players generally looking lost, I think it's time for LVG to go. This isn't just a recent stretch, it's relegation form for the past 10+ matches. This has become very reminiscent of the Moyes era. LVG even downplayed the club expectations recently, just like Moyes did.

However, this season is still salvageable, and we should ensure that we have CL football next season, as it makes a tremendous difference in attracting talent/manager candidates, and the money we get from it. I don't know if Ancelotti would be willing to take the job mid season, but surely, Giggs can't be any worse than LVG as an interim manager till the end of the season. At least Giggs will probably get this team playing better football, and the results can't get any worse than they are now. Also, I'd imagine that Giggs is a lot more well liked than LVG by the players and personnel anyway.
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Totally agree with all this.

I think I have more doubts about Giggs than you but I'd still rather him than Van Gaal.
 
Sam said:
Agreed. I wouldn't want Ancelotti.

We need a young, current manager, who are fresh and have new ideas and are well in touch with the moder game. Someone in the ilk of Pep or Klopp. Not old, past their prime guys.





Yeah, just checked physio room, they say 6. I swear I read it was 11 somewhere, 6 seems quite low considering how talked about their injuries have been.
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How old do you think Ancelloti is?
 
bleedred said:
Like I said in the post, every managerial appointment is a gamble. At this point, players have completely lost trust in LVG which is clearly visible on the pitch. No fight.

Even though Giggs is a gamble, its a gamble worth taking at this point.
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Well in the sense that it is a massive gamble then. If your calling Guardiola a gamble then there has to be another term for giving it someone with 4 games worth of experience.

The upside would be it'd be like a free shot for Giggs and the club to see whether he could hack it.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I'm worried too, mate. I just have no faith whatsoever in Giggs, and there's always that feeling that someone with proven pedigree will at least eventually manage top 4.
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The only way I'd want Giggs anywhere near it, is in a temporary caretaker role. But he's had a little crack at that already, and it was a bit hit and miss.
6 months of that would probably be too risky
 
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