VG's entire career at united has been in the 2 hands of DDG, the sooner this guy is gone the better, it cannot come any quicker
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VG's entire career at united has been in the 2 hands of DDG, the sooner this guy is gone the better, it cannot come any quicker
This. Put a human being between our sticks and we are at least 6-10 points worse off.
Put an in-form striker in instead of Rooney and we probably get the same points back again. Its swings and roundabouts, Van Gaal has had some players perform for him while others have not.
Whenever we score he looks so awkward trying to stand up with that bloody notepad, or there's time when we score and he simply makes a note of it. I know I'm nitpicking but can't one of his assistants make the notes, we need a leader on the bench not a note-taker.
You dont talk down like that to people, especially in a new environment. People take offense to it. In any professional environment, thats a basic expectation. That sowed the seeds of resentment towards him, and has given the very journalists he used to portray superiority over a chance to question him as his much hailed philosophy has failed.
Its general schadenfreude in life, that people tend to take some pleasure in the failings of know-it-alls. If Van Gaal had done his job well, none of this would have arisen. Thats all that this comes back to. So the fact that he's in this situation in the first place is all on him.
The fact that Curtis is an ass, doesnt make Van Gaal any less of one too through he's actions. I'm not arguing the qualities of that Sun journalists, Rather I'm arguing that Van Gaal himself has stooped down to their level. Unfortunately he's entered a playground where the rules are such as he finds now.
Van Gaal is one to constantly praise himself when things go well, but he should be wise enough to realise that him failing should also be attributed to him too.
Look at the keepers he did buy, one he dumped in the reserves, the other found the ball like touching hot cakes
this what make me realize how bad Van Gaal had been. When their last points gained were a victory at Man United. Makes it looked like they came up against 5 better managers since the beat us at home.
Absolutely this. DDG has single handedly (or two handedly) kept him in a job.
Agreed. Imagine that Liverpool had DDG and United Mignolet...We'd be a midtable team. The only diffrence between us and them is about the keepers.
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We'd be far below mid table my friend. That's how shit LVG has made us.
Woodward is basically Nero, fiddling while Rome burns. Why the hell is this guy still our manager? It's an utterly dire situation, and not one any modern day top club will ever have. Apart from us.
We have absolutely no hope at all with this utter clown in charge.
We have absolutely no hope at all with this utter clown in charge.
Whilst I understand the sentiment it's a bit of an easy way of looking at it whilst making LVG look bad. I'm sure there waqs plenty of times Fergie lost to shit teams who went on to lose 4 or 5 in a row against "lesser" teams than United. It happens quite a biti n football really. Whilst the result is obviously bad I don't think it means they've come up against 5 better managers because of it.
Do not forget we had Romero in between the sticks, and look what was happening to us? What makes it worse, Norwich have lost 5 games in a row, and the win they had last was against us. Like what Samuel wrote in his article, VG seems so blind he can't even see his own failure, once you have a manager with that mind set, he truly is lost
I would agree with that, but allot of midtable to struggling PL teams have not only been getting the better of VG, they are outsmarting him is well. These are not just the odd one off games where the smaller teams are getting results against us, this is happening allot
That's a bit harsh, he could have snatched the ball from Costa's feet but it wasn't his fault.
I don't want to get ahead of myself but it looks like we will be having a new manager in the summer.
Is sticking with LvG the best option until the summer?
What options do we have if we did sack him?
Who would have the best chance at getting us top 4?
Who would have the best chance of helping us win the Europa League?
Would it be wise to ask Manager X to come in now instead of the summer?
Is sticking with LvG the best option until the summer?
What options do we have if we did sack him?
Who would have the best chance at getting us top 4?
Who would have the best chance of helping us win the Europa League?
Would it be wise to ask Manager X to come in now instead of the summer?
Is sticking with LvG the best option until the summer? YES
What options do we have if we did sack him? GIGGS, Jose probably has a clause preventing him, we should consider others, not just Jose, in the summer.
Who would have the best chance at getting us top 4? LVG, a change of play now is likely to have an adverse effect.
Who would have the best chance of helping us win the Europa League? Ditto.
Would it be wise to ask Manager X to come in now instead of the summer? NO. There is momentum and it may put us in danger of a non-Europeam place.
What options do we have if we did sack him? GIGGS, Jose probably has a clause preventing him, we should consider others, not just Jose, in the summer.
Who would have the best chance at getting us top 4? LVG, a change of play now is likely to have an adverse effect.
Who would have the best chance of helping us win the Europa League? Ditto.
Would it be wise to ask Manager X to come in now instead of the summer? NO. There is momentum and it may put us in danger of a non-Europeam place.
Good. Tell us now under what conditions would you admit that you were wrong to think like this? If we end up outside top 4 and win feck all in the cups, will you concede that it was wrong to go with LVG till the end of the season? Or not firing LVG is simply the right thing to do no mater what happens this season?
If LVG does not meet his targets then I fully expect him to get the sack. At this moment in time, I feel the people who matter still believe he will make his targets, therefore no reason to sack him. You can dislike his methods, his style of football, and so on, but until it is certain he is not getting his targets (e.g. Moyes) he is likely to stay.
With no transfer window for a new manager to make any imminent change to playing staff, then if you sack LVG because you do not think he can get top 4, you are literally setting up the new manager to fail as well.
I am not so sure why so many are convinced he wont make top 4, or win a cup, or win the Europa.
In answer to your question, of course I will say I am wrong if he fails, why wouldn't I. I am not religious about it, I just think it is the right thing at the moment.
Woodward briefed at the time when we got knocked out of the UCL that we werent worried as the money was in the league now.
I think we can take another financial hit by missing out. I think Van Gaal will only leave in the Summer (if he does go, regardless of results).
I think we can take another financial hit by missing out. I think Van Gaal will only leave in the Summer (if he does go, regardless of results).
A new manager can change tactics and motivate the players to perform better (by, say, giving them more freedom to express themselves), etc. It's a weak argument to say that a new manager needs new players and months of work in order to achieve better results. If United underperform for tactical or psychological reasons, a new manager can fix the issue quickly. After 18 months of uninspiring football under LVG to expect that things will suddenly change may be a bit too optimisitc. I think he will be sacked if United fail to win vs Sunderland or lose from Arsenal. Maybe I'm wrong though and we will persist with LVG until any chance of winning something is gone.
The Adidas deal only takes a hit if we miss two seasons of CL in a row, isn't it?
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Sir Alex probably can get us top 2.
Yes, thats what the rumours say.
So its only next season when we would have to worry.
part 1) we have eyes that work in which we see how shit we are. win a cup , not going to happen and i'm willing to bet you $1000 we don't. more importantly what the feck do you see to convince you we can?
part 2) he's failed already. i say that because he has a team going backwards. regardless of where we finish he's not a manager of MUFC.
the funniest outcome would be winning the euro cup and getting relegated. we get into CL and LVG keeps his job , hey we're in CL! what a fecking clown. he should have been shit canned 2-3 months ago
You are confusing your view of how you want the team to play with the targets the board have set LVG. If any employee is given a target and they reach it, what are the grounds for dismissal. He is still in the FA cup, he is just outside the top 4 and he is still in the Europa. The fact you are not confident does not come in to it, just as my confidence doesn't come in to it. My confidence stems from the slight upturn since New Year, a number of players coming back to form and a few injuries being overcome. We have had more shit results this year than shit performances. I am not saying they have been bloody good performances, but I am quite sure but for the Newcastle and Chelsea late goals people would feel more confident. On the other side, there are no teams above us that are playing outstandingly. Leicester (good on them) but still have my doubts they will last, they seem like Liverpool a number of years ago playing well above them selves. Spurs, been going behind a few times in the last month against lower teams, so not so sure they a re a sure thing, City all depends who turns up on the day, Arsenal not finding it all plain sailing. So we are still in with a chance.
Your view the team are going backwards. The performances this year do not support that view. The fact is he is MUFC manager, whether you like it or not. The football is a long way from what is was early and late 2000s, but is pretty consistent with 2010s and that includes Fergie era. Our style has changed to pretty slow and predictable, I don't like it like everyone, but every game I see a little nugget of what could be, a player showing his ability and something happening.
Indeed.
DDG is what allows us to have a good defensive record and keeps us in the running for top 4.
Had LVG got his way and sold DDG, I'm not sure where we would've been. Thank God that Madrid were completely inept in completing paper work on time.
It will be interesting to see what happens this Summer, with Mourinho incoming. Will DDG change his mind and stay or will he continue his quest to move to Madrid. Should be interesting.
To beat Norwich, I suspect LVG would need to hire the services of Messi.
Great managers make a team perform better than the sum of its parts. Fergie was a great example of this. Ranieri is doing this right now at LCFC.
LVG is the opposite - the team is performing worse than the sum of its parts.
he's failed already in the way the teams played. simple on that one. how do you know what the target is? play shit football and spend loads and finish 4th? feck me that's poor goal setting and too simplistic a view on football. and of course you and I have SFA to do with "confidence". but united are far from confident as a club. from top to bottom. coming back to form? is it or is it a couple of matches where we didn't look absolute shit. one good spell does not a season make. and we've seen that has been his MO at the club. couple on the trot then a crash. We are now further behind the clubs in the top 4 places , again backwards not progress. and the performances most certainly do not look progressive at all. from 1st in september playing shit to 5th in feb playing shit. fergie wouldn't be in 5th with this side. LVG has fecked it and has failed. it's no longer an "if he fails". everyone is waiting for teams above us to fail because they know we are shit and can't catch them on merit. we are arsenal , net spend . 4th place is a "goal". it's laughable to think 4th is ok. it's not and he didn't really right the ship , that is another load of bullshit. he had 3rd place wrapped up last season until the slide started. the "he's bringing in the youth" another load of shit. he's had to because he got rid of first teamers without proper replacement. again if we fired him and brought in jose we'd be in much better shape.
I guess this is off topic, but I do find it strange that with all the possession we normally have (which means in theory our players do less ball chasing), our players get so tired.
And its not just 1 of them....they all look knackered before the game has ended.
they aren't knacked - they're bored like us.
Thats not actually true though they beat Villa and Southampton since they played United
I think if LVG stays for next season you will have a heart attack, you seem too emotional about it. If LVG leaves it won't bother me a bit, because it will have something to do with him not meeting expectations or not going in the right direction. The club is bigger than any one manager or player.
I think as far as targets are concerned, you are right, none of us know. The fact he has not been sacked, suggest playing outright attacking football is not one of those targets. In addition, the fact he is still here suggests, there is still confidence he is going to meet his targets. I would have expected him to have the title as target within his 3 year reign, I would also expect a minimum of CL qualification each year. A cup trophy would be nice, but doubt it will be a target. As next year is his last year, I am sure that he will want to go out with a big bang, but at the end of the day for him would it matter as he is gone anyway.
You are too critical of LVG, so when you watch a match you seem to miss the good bits. Everyone sees the bad bits (we are not blinkered). You talk as though only a few games have been good, and if we go through the threads we will see the usual but they were shit, they had an off day, we were lucky ...etc when we win. There is not a match that has been played where I have not been sitting on the edge of my seat wishing the team forward, wishing every attack has an outcome. In most cases I am shouting expletives at the players for fecking up and making stupid decisions, not LVG. Many on here hide behind the that LVG's fault, yet those same people blame the players when Jose is mentioned and Chelsea played shit.
Last year LVG chose to play players out of position, and by that I mean play a player who is only known as playing in one position into a totally new position, when players have been injured, rather than a utility player like Blind. This year, he has used CBJ at LB, rather than use a more experienced player. He also used Varela when he could have used other players. Yes, he had to look at youth because of injuries, but who is to say he would not have used them if performances were poor. He used McNair when both Young and Jones was fit. I don't agree with you that he got rid of the wrong players or too many. We have ample players in all positions bar striker. We do have however a number of under performing players, e.g. Depay.
Bringing Jose in to the current environment is likely to have minimal impact. He can't go and get any new players, he can't all of a sudden fix injuries. His only impact would be to try and play a different way to get results. It is debatable whether he would get more points than LVG this season. In fact his lack of knowledge of many players may actually go against him. Hence, it is better to stay with LVG.
feck that i'll have one if my 24 yr old soon to be 25 yr old doesn't get a proper job soon. and LVG has sucked the emotion from united football so no i'm not , i'm just resigned to seeing shit football week in and week out and once a month a goal here or there. there have been far too few good bits in matches and certainly fewer 90 min performances to meet the expectations of most fans. i'd have been fired by now in my profession for the results delivered with a massive budget and flagging results. and if jose was brought in on december 18th we'd be playing better , no doubt about it.
By that logic, every team in the world who has ever sacked a manager mid-season are run by idiots, yet only at United we have the calm leadership of Woodward to see through all that and keep LVG at the helm?
Same thing happened with Swansea at the start of the season
I'm not sure about that. I think we just don't want to sack another manager midseason after Moyes. Would make the club look better if he decides to leave himself in the summer
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