That's bullshit. He is being paid millions to do a job and he failed miserably! If he wanted "the best interests of he club" he'd have resigned. No, LVG only cares about the best interests of LVG. Only.
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That's bullshit. He is being paid millions to do a job and he failed miserably! If he wanted "the best interests of he club" he'd have resigned. No, LVG only cares about the best interests of LVG. Only.
If you actually listened to the way he answered that question and most questions - he has been very reasonable in his response. The press blow it all out of proportion to feed their agenda. Surely even if you're angry with him, you cannot condone such behaviour towards the man?
I disagree with that totally. It is not bullshit - it is my opinion. You are using emotion here and refuse to see anything good about the man. That's your prerogative - just like it's mine to state what my observations are.
See this is part of the problem with his squad management. Our bench options are shit. It also begs the question why our players are always knackered after 70 minutes. Even a tired Lingard runs more than Depay though.
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Van Gaal is ruthlessly brutal with players, even going as far as having unncessary digs against even those he's sold. Has no tact whatsover.
The English can be unnecessarily antagonistic (see the treatment of AVB, which went beyond common decency, calling him insane basically), but they havent really crossed into a personal level with him . Its always questions about his jobs that rile him up. And the truth is that Van Gaal has failed at his job, dismally at that. Its Van Gaal that keeps bringing up his family, keep them out of this.
Van Gaal can be as ruthless, he has even shown it here United. He should be able to handle it, or even better, state no comment to anything he doesnt want to answer.
no emo here. he's painted himself into a corner by being a bit of a cnut (most of his life). and if you give it you better be able to take it. so again , live with it. or get out. it's a tough job but he's well compensated for it.
I think thats a logical fallacy, he can believe something to be in the best interests of the club without it necessarily being so.
I don't know really, I think the idea that any manager would 'deliberately mess us up' is a bit weird. But he's definitely not done many things with the short term in mind. The signing of Schweinsteiger's probably the only one I can think of. Maybe he should have, but I think theres something admirable about the fact he's making long term decisions despite being here on a short term contract. For all the criticism of Mourinho being a short term manager, I think its a bit unfair on Van Gaal that he's not given some credit for planning for a future which he knows doesn't involve him.
That said, had he been a bit more short-termist, namely not going into the season relying on Memphis and Martial, we'd be better off now.
If viewed in isolation, yes.
But he's treated them in a condescending manner since he got here. They had always been waiting for this.
His comments towards Neil Curtis were uncalled for. Yes, Curtis is a woeful journalist, but there's a certain level of proffesionalism required.
I dont like the English press, never have. But they arent two victims here, but two aggressors going tit-for-tat. We'd be better served with him focusing on his job.
The problem with Van Gaal is that he is arrogant enough to think he can force his opinion on this dimwits. Instead, he comes across as silly as them.
I have to disagree again - I think he started being too nice to the press. Too open with them which I took issue with tbh. It's his nature to explain things I suppose. It's not tit for tat. He's answered their stupid questions as calmly as possible where I would lose it completely. You tell me if you're under that much pressure that you'd be able to handle the situation as well as he has?
As for Cutsis - he's an ass and as far as we know- no one's sure he actually called him 'fat' or if he said 'that man' - of course Cutsis is going to run with the thing that gets more clicks.
Quite frankly, what about the level of professionalism expected from journalists. Managers are people, not robots - of course they will get irritated if they are constantly goading you.
I doubt he has labelled the fans cnuts..
It's strange and a bit cowardly of the club that, in an age when press officers routinely make it clear to journos that certain questions aren't permitted, our press officers are doing nothing to protect LVG (even if it's from himself).
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Good comeback.. Its a shame though, am a United fan as well. Just shows.
It is not emotion. It is facts. He is earning millions. We are not even fourth, after changing most of the squad. He has failed but he does not resign. I don't care about the man. I am not his friend. I am just a fan, a paying customer if you want, and I refuse to find excuses for this failed manager. And you claim that "he does what he does in the best interests of the club"! That's a direct quote from your post! Are you joking? I am sure that he does what he does because he is earning millions! Why am I certain? Because that's human nature. He wants money and as long as he is paid, he won't leave.
I really can't believe you don't see why this is a pretty illogical argument.
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I would question whether having Depay, Herrera and Schniedlerin represents shit options. Many fans would have at least 2 of them in the side, and some even have Depay before Lingard. It didn't work out for Depay, but I wouldn't have said the other two were bad subs. The fitness thing for Fellani is because he isn't used to playing that role for 90 mins, it is not unusual for him to be subbed. Mata did a significant amount of running, but was just not getting on the ball.
The press have treated him like shit. Honestly i feel sorry for him.
With respect, so fecking what? Are we a retirement home? Is the benchmark here that whoever is in charge does nothing to willfully damage the club?
He's a decent guy. Well, not really – no. Not by my standards. I actually like him, sort of. Because he's got character – a certain style, if you will, that goes well with being a football manager. But he's not a decent guy. He's an arrogant prick and he cares infinitely less about Manchester United than about his own legacy. That's common sense – you'd have to be criminally naïve to not see that.
Yes I know it's my quote. For God's sake - What you getting so pissy about?
In my opinion - I don't think he makes decision for the short term - which is obviously not good for our position at the moment. By all accounts he's doing very well behind the scenes - that's what I was alluding to - that is also a part of managing United. And I admire that, it takes guts to take a long term view when you're under pressure from everywhere to get results now.
And I am not his friend either - but do you only treat friends with decency? That's all I'm arguing for - I'm not absolving him of any mistakes he's made this season.
The whole argument started on the journalists' behaviour which I - and funnily enough - quite a lot of opposition fans think is deplorable - even though they don't care about him and hate United. If they can at least acknowledge that - why can't some of us fans? That is all I am saying - I'm not trying to get into any argument about things that are spoken about every day on this forum in regards to criticism about LVG. This is completely different.
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Let's agree to disagree - i think he's a decent man - you don't. Nothing wrong with that. No problem. Let's just leave it.
Out of the limited options we have. They've all been in shocking form. It's a regular occurrence for our players to be knackered in the second half of games. How many games have we finished strongly in all season?
i agree if nothing else LVG knows dippers are cnuts.
If we don't make Top 4, then he performed worse than Moyes and he should be fired immediately.
I think periods like these are needed to quell the fan base of the massive fair weather fans. If you don't enjoy watching the team win or lose, go and support Leicester City. They are doing a far piece of winning. You get behind the team. The team includes the manager. At the end of the season do your bitching. What majority of you are hoping for is not productive. You just want blood because you have found yourself booing the team you supposedly support? You don't enjoy watching them anymore because they are not winning as you have become used to or as you are used to for most of you?
You can cultivate joy in watching the development of our own or those we bought fairly young. Look at Smalling, CBJ, DDG as example.
Supporting the team during the season is the only thing you as a fan is responsible for. I am not saying you should not complain, complain but don't let it get to the point of booing your manager.
Call for evaluation after the season is over.
You can cultivate joy in watching the development of our own or those we bought fairly young. Look at Smalling, CBJ, DDG as example.
Supporting the team during the season is the only thing you as a fan is responsible for. I am not saying you should not complain, complain but don't let it get to the point of booing your manager.
Call for evaluation after the season is over.
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He'd have to finish below 7th to do that and considering he finished 4th once I would say he already outperformed him.
LVG was backed more than Moyes, LVG was given everything he asked for. We cut down on games played during preseason and even played in a small stadium just because of LVG request. We did everything he asked and if he fail to make the bare minimum requirement, he performed worse than Moyes.
Of course he is making decisions for the short term!!! That's why he brought in Falcao and Di Maria. But he failed!
It is the job of journalists to question a failed manager. It would be terrible if the journalists tried to find excuses. The journalists are being paid to ask uncomfortable questions. They are doing their jobs. The job of LVG is to win trophies. He failed completely in his job. It is simple, really. It is not rocket science.
Calm down Nick. I've already forgotten about this disagreement of ours.
He had more backing, but surely you can't argue that he achieved more than Moyes did in regards to the Premier League.
PL - Van Gaal > Moyes
Champions Leauge - Moyes > Van Gaal
FA Cup - Van Gaal > Moyes
COC - Moyes > Van Gaal
Against top 4 - Van Gaal > Moyes
Transfer market - Van Gaal > Moyes
Style of play - equal
Moyes more than failed to make the minimum requirement in the PL, in fact I would say his laissez-faire attitude towards our squad and transfer really put Van Gaal in it when he joined the club. Van Gaal will have failed and deserves the sack if we don't make top 4 but lets not pretend that Moyes' tenure was anywhere near good enough.
Careful on that pedestal. It's windy outside.
Both Moyes and LVG have failed at Man Utd. It's meaningless to compare the two. Both have failed.
What is worse is that our upper management has failed, too. If they had sacked LVG in December, when it was already obvious that he does not know what he is doing, then we would have a good chance of winning the premiership this year.
What is worse is that our upper management has failed, too. If they had sacked LVG in December, when it was already obvious that he does not know what he is doing, then we would have a good chance of winning the premiership this year.
since when is 4th ok for united? welcome to le arse , people on here talking about net spend and finishing in 4th! as if.
You're KinderBeano's cellmate, right? Give him my regards, he's a good 'un.
But, yes the booing. You're absolutely right. The booing on here has been disgraceful.
Hard to disagree with that, at best LVG has been underwhelming, when we hired him I thought we would be a title challenging team in his 2nd season. Upper management has failed to invest in building a future for the club in terms of academy and running the club post-Ferguson.
This. I can't see why we would wait until the end of the season. Now we are in serious danger that we even won't be in top 4
Comparing VG and Moyes is just picking your poison, which is worse? does not matter
welcome to le arse , people on here talking about net spend and finishing in 4th! as if.
Of course 4th spot is not good enough but there is a minimum expectation from a manager regardless of the situation. Man United must participate in champions league.
It was quite clear that Chelsea went gung ho after we scored. This is where a manager should come into equation and make necessary changes to adjust our play accordingly. Instead LvG continued to sit on his arse while the team started to panic and hoof the ball to the opposition. Mata was knackered, Rooney was failing miserably as a striker and could not get to the ball, the only player who could potentially keep the ball - Fellaini - was subbed. Had it not been for DDG, Chelsea could have equalized earlier and gone for a kill towards the end. I seriously doubt that we will make it into top 4 which is bad news, but the good news is that LvG seems to be a goner at the end of the season.
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