He's getting increasingly aggressive with the media:
Fecking hell i almost feel sorry for him
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Fecking hell i almost feel sorry for him
Wonder if he'll follow SAF and stop talking to the Beeb.
He is invoking the "early years of Fergie" now. Some one needs to point him in the direction of Claudio Ranieri and Leicester City or even Spurs.
To echo many opinion already shared; I still want LVG gone by the summer, however the press are absolutely delighting in their blatant campaign against him. They are such a bunch of bastards and the 'Bear & Stick analogy' is on point. We'll see a huge difference next season with their obvious Guardiola love in as they'll all be clamouring to cradle his balls and massage his ego at every opportunity. Whilst I want LVG out by next season I do still like to see him stick it back to those journo vultures though... and he's doing an alright job in that respect.
He should definitely give them some silent treatment. I'd be like "..so I'm getting sacked as the manager am I? Well I don't need to be at this press conference then" and walk out.
He shouldn't be drawn into it though; he's certainly experienced enough not to be dragged into the pettiness that's existed between him & the press almost from the start. It's not part of his job-requirement to beat the press, but the opposition. This whole thing is one of those times when his pride isn't helping him.
Their last two wins at home in the PL were against Norwich (2:1) 3 months ago and Sunderland (3:1) in December. They have been pretty underwhelming at SB. In other words, they have managed to win over the last 3 months only against teams threatened by relegation.
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It would be ridiculous really, teams would get so frustrated.
Exactly this, he's taking praise or whatever when we win so he takes the opposite when we screw up, people saying we've recently got better are saying its down to the team and management so kind of saying its him putting the ball in the net or defending well so when we let slip 2 points against a shit Chelsea team I blame the management and team, it goes both ways.
Come off it. SAF himself had many times when in the last few minutes of games United players collectively let him down. Did you have the same to say about him then? This is just getting ridiculous now...
I bet it is because you are not remotely as smart as you imagine yourself top be......
Regular basis my arse. Fergie has several times as a manager when player actually let him down in last minutes of games as we were trying to get results. Last night the manager and his staff made every effort to correct the malaise but the players didnt respond. It happens. To claim its 'lack of leadership' from the bench is fecking asinine. No amount of talking from the bench will make players suddenly keep the ball when they've entered hoof it in panic mode.
He's clearly been rattled by them, as he keeps mentioning family members
Yeah, buts its LvG's fault about Chelsea going unbeaten before we played them. Keep up, LvG is to blame for everything.
It didn't that often with Fergie because he was good at his job. Answer the question. If he can't be held accountable for what happens on the pitch then why does he have a job? Being a manager is more than picking a team and leaving them to it.
Chelsea going unbeaten isn't the reason we're cut adrift from the top 4. Keep up, frustrations build over more than a one off game.
nothings changed, still want him out asap
Your probably right, I should stop now
but I really dont agree with you. Our manager need to take care of issues who let us down time after time. He is payed a lot to do this. Our players is at fault aswell, but in the end, our manager need to correct errors.Its not me being very smart or stupid to understand its a great difference between LvG and SAF.
Well, if it is effecting his family that much, he can simply submit his resignation and feck off.
He's leaving either at the end of the season, or when we have missed all our targets , whichever comes earlier.
And that frustration brings on tunnel vision. If we had not conceded to Costa, people would have said that was a bloody good away performance.
For all the Chelsea pressure in the last 10 or so minutes, that was the one period where they had shots on target. For nearly every DDG save, there was a corresponding save from Chelsea GK. Yet, we are blinkered enough to say we only got a point because of DDG and we are shit and couldn't beat the worse Chelsea team for 'n' years (sound a bit RAWKish enough). The players were tiring and rather than the subs help out they actually created more of a problem, by lacking composure. LVG was right when he said that for the last period of the match, the players forgot to keep composure and just started giving the ball to Chelsea.
regardless it was , i wouldn't have brought on depay , his subs have been a a major feck up , but yep good match.
There was nothing ‘bizarre’ about what Louis van Gaal said to the media on journalist, writes Mark Holmes
VAN GAAL TREATMENT A DISGRACE
According to both the Daily Mail and Daily Star, Louis van Gaal had a ‘bizarre rant’ after Manchester United’s draw at Chelsea.
The full transcript can be read here, but the question which led to the exchange went as follows: ‘Although you dropped points, the performances are improving. Do you think that’s important as the club is trying to replace you, the fact you’re trying to put in the performances which show you might have a value to the club?’
Note the words ‘as the club is trying to replace you’. Said in such a matter of fact way, as though nobody, not even Van Gaal, could possibly dispute the fact that United want to sack him. But as the Dutchman pointed out on Friday, it would not be the first occasion the press had got it wrong if stories that Jose Mourinho has already held talks about taking over at Old Trafford are proven to be false.
Remember when he had two games to save his job? United took only two points from those games, at Stoke City and against Chelsea, yet Van Gaal remained in place. Remember when he was about to quit in January after a defeat to Southampton?
Despite clearly receiving assurances from the United hierarchy that his job is not under threat, Van Gaal has had to deal with almost constant suggestions from the press over the past four months that he would soon be out of work.
Then, after another decent performance at Chelsea on Sunday, the 64-year-old again faced a question about United trying to replace him. ‘Well, the club aren’t denying it,’ said the journalist.
This is the sort of nonsense Van Gaal is having to deal with on an almost weekly basis, yet despite responding in a perfectly reasonable manner he is accused of going on a ‘bizarre rant’. The Daily Mirror’s back page even refers to him as ‘Mr Angry’.
Van Gaal clearly hasn’t done as good a job as he would have hoped this season, but the treatment of him by the media has been nothing short of a disgrace.
If only he were British…
Say what you like about him.And i'm one of those that voted for him to be assessed at the end of the season.He does not deserve what he is getting from the media.
VAN GAAL TREATMENT A DISGRACE
According to both the Daily Mail and Daily Star, Louis van Gaal had a ‘bizarre rant’ after Manchester United’s draw at Chelsea.
The full transcript can be read here, but the question which led to the exchange went as follows: ‘Although you dropped points, the performances are improving. Do you think that’s important as the club is trying to replace you, the fact you’re trying to put in the performances which show you might have a value to the club?’
Note the words ‘as the club is trying to replace you’. Said in such a matter of fact way, as though nobody, not even Van Gaal, could possibly dispute the fact that United want to sack him. But as the Dutchman pointed out on Friday, it would not be the first occasion the press had got it wrong if stories that Jose Mourinho has already held talks about taking over at Old Trafford are proven to be false.
Remember when he had two games to save his job? United took only two points from those games, at Stoke City and against Chelsea, yet Van Gaal remained in place. Remember when he was about to quit in January after a defeat to Southampton?
Despite clearly receiving assurances from the United hierarchy that his job is not under threat, Van Gaal has had to deal with almost constant suggestions from the press over the past four months that he would soon be out of work.
Then, after another decent performance at Chelsea on Sunday, the 64-year-old again faced a question about United trying to replace him. ‘Well, the club aren’t denying it,’ said the journalist.
This is the sort of nonsense Van Gaal is having to deal with on an almost weekly basis, yet despite responding in a perfectly reasonable manner he is accused of going on a ‘bizarre rant’. The Daily Mirror’s back page even refers to him as ‘Mr Angry’.
Van Gaal clearly hasn’t done as good a job as he would have hoped this season, but the treatment of him by the media has been nothing short of a disgrace.
If only he were British…
Say what you like about him.And i'm one of those that voted for him to be assessed at the end of the season.He does not deserve what he is getting from the media.
I thought the subs were OK at the time, Fellani and Mata were tiring, so you would have thought the legs of Herrera and Schniederlin would be OK. Lingard was also dead, largely through chasing shadows, but Depay always amazes me with his complete lack of thought.
Oh dear!
We were very good for half the game. The result doesn't change it other than a rather obvious descent deeper and deeper into our box was evident from the moment we scored and negated the good stuff beforehand. If the players needed reminding to keep composure then he could simply get up and remind and tell the team this wasn't the way he wanted us to play. Van Gaal clearly chose the wrong subs then didn't he? Who in their right mind thinks Depay is the man to throw on in that scenario?
That is just a super response. Well done.
The irony under VG compared to fergie, we used to always score in the last few mins of games, under VG we are the ones getting the taste of fergie time and not in the right sense either. For me VG still seems more focused in fighting the press than rising above it, and making sure his own house is in order. It is one thing continue to pick petty arguments with the press, but make sure you can back it up with success on the pitch, and he is just not producing. I would rather see VG focus on what is wrong with united, not what is wrong with press writing story's, true? or false? Because what is wrong with united? Unable to go on any winning runs, unable challenge for CL spots, let alone a title push
I can't believe you think Depay was the reason for the draw. He was probably brought on because Lingard was not an outlet and wasn't holding up the ball. Depay fecked up at the wrong time, but the 3 subs were for the right players as their legs had gone.
Did I say that? I said if you want to close out a game don't bring on Memphis Depay. He's horrendous at it and an actual liability. The reason we drew is because we dropped on top of our goalkeeper and couldn't keep the ball. And our manager obviously thought he couldn't get up and give instructions for some reason.
I don't think the whole press thing is much of an issue. If it were the biggest problem we wouldn't be in this position.
That is the point, if we were in a strong position it would not be a problem, but the fact he is arguing with the press when he is also in charge of a united team that wont qualify for the CL, other big clubs would have packed his bags for him a long time ago
who would you have brought on? It was obvious Lingard was tired, so with Herrera and Schniederlin on, who was a sensible option?
That was the game in a nutshell. In saying that I have no qualms about a draw with Chelsea.
The problem I have is the games before it. The draws/losses in December. The boring football. Losing to Bournemouth, Norwich and Middlesborough. PSV 0-0 home game (that was a bore fest). Going out of the League Cup. Going out of the CL in a relatively easy group. The fact that 4th place is as high as he seems to be able to get us in the league.
And that is why I feel he needs to leave. The damage has already been done and I don't feel is repairable.
Even if he wins every match from now on, I feel he will still go in May.
I think privately he and his famiky have had enough.
In fact, I think he'd be more likely to, as he'd be going out on a high then
I think privately he and his famiky have had enough.
In fact, I think he'd be more likely to, as he'd be going out on a high then
The smart money is a mutual parting of ways in the summer.
He's been backed, he's done decently, but decently isn't enough with the money spent.
The football this season has mostly been awful, and that frustration that the league was open will really hit home if the likes of Leicester win it!
Mourinho, it's his time I feel, fate has opened the possibility up, which didn't look likely when he was smashing the league last year.
Certainly better late than never.
herrera came on after didn't he? i'd have brought on morgan , herrera , and a defender at the end. actually anyone but him and if you bring him on have him in the middle to chase. give him nothing else to do.
Well said this. I was heartened to see opposition fans firmly in LVG's corner on that daily mail article. They had a right go at that idiot journalist asking the questions. It's so disrespectful. These bloody journalists have no decency and to see some United fans agreeing with this treatment of our manager is a bloody disgrace. You may not like him, and are disappointed by his management this season (as I am) - but he's never been anything but genuinely respectful to the club and fans. He is a decent man actually, and to see the shit he's getting - even from some of our own fans is quite embarrassing tbh. Some of us really do sound like the 'plastics' we're accused of being by opposition supporters.
LVG might not be doing well, but even in making mistakes, he does what he does in the best interests of the club - it may not yield the instant results we want, but he doesn't do anything to deliberately mess us up. We won't have another decent manager like him for the foreseeable future imho.
he has had harsh words for players he no longer wanted and told them so in no uncertain terms. he can run his trap but has failed at his job , so feck him. live with it or leave.
He's not been treated that badly. Give me a few million and the press can say how shit I am at my job and getting replaced all they want.
Him and English press deserve each other.
He's resorted to petty insults too with them. They do what they do best in retaliation.
Pellegrini has been treated far worse with blantant speculation, and his club then announcing his successor mid-season.
He's generally treated the press with contempt, of course, they've have been waiting for this moment. The English press are idiots, but striking a hornets nest is just as idiotic.
The greatest thing Van Gaal can do to shut anyone up is to set us up tactically well and win games. With that, even his most bitter critics have no voice.
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