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I thought it was a rare good performance. Shame they tried to hang on last 15 minutes. I'm not sure we can blame LvG for this performance.
 
togg said:
but do you want LVG next year?
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No, I want him gone by the end this year. Whatever he has done over the past few games is a positive though, which needs to be stated. Something to build on for the rest of the year.
 
championo said:
Now that I am seeing the infusion of youth, I am ambivalent about the man. I love our youth and if anybody will give them a chance, it will be LVG. Mourinho will kill this movement.
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Go follow the U21s in that case.

If the players are good enough, they're old enough. The fact LVG dismantled our squad so much we have to rely on youth so often is not a positive, it's just negligence.
 
JPRouve said:
What Van gaal did there, is what Mourinho does every time he takes the lead, so it's probably not the right game to ask for LVG sacking.
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nope he'd have brought on a player like herrera not depay. in fact if he comes here depay won't be here. kill the game.
 
We started with a plan, then the players lost it during the 1st and it needed a strong half-time talk from Van Gaal. We came and took the game from them in the second. Personally I would had brought Herrera on and not Morgan but what cost us was the Memphis and how he performed.
 
He simply can't manage the game. Quite a big gap in the skill set of manager at a top club
 
Twisted_Woody said:
Fellaini was starting to lose a yard of pace. It was clear he was getting tired. I supported his subs and thought LVG did fine today. The team however lacked a mentality to get through the final 20 minutes of Chelsea pressing. Let us not forget that this Chelsea side won the league last year. They know how to win games, and come back in games. Our side is a rebuilt team that doesn't have SAF's mentality instilled in them. I'm sure in time they will get it but it does take time.

If you are going to bash LVG you should look to the games leading up to today. Our performances from November through to these past few weeks have been largely unacceptable.
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Funny they couldn't do it much this season except against us. Actually not funny at all...
 
Annihilate Now! said:
We already had a counter attack thread on the pitch (Martial)... not sure why we needed another one... especially when he's coming on for Lingard, who's also a counter attack threat.
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Because they were tired. It's what you do when you're trying to preserve a lead. Sub one winger for another, and put a defensive midfielder in. Fresh legs. It's literally the textbook approach. 90% of the managers would've done the same subs.
 
Raoul said:
Not a chance. We played well against the Champs at their home. That's a positive under any circumstances.
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Being 'the champs' means feck all when you look at them this season. We played well in spurts, not enough, and invited constant pressure on ourselves after the goal.

To sum up our biggest issue in one word I'd say 'mentality' and that comes from the manager.
 
Not blaming him for today but it is now February and we are 6 points off top 4. That is just unacceptable.

Cannot wait to see the back of him.
 
Scarecrow said:
Because they were tired. It's what you do when you're leading and trying to preserve a lead. Sub one winger for another, and put a defensive midfielder in. Fresh legs. It's literally the textbook approach.
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Well isn't that a problem then? He's following a "textbook approach" without actually analysing the players he's bringing on/off the pitch.

I mean, we've all seen Memphis play this season... I don't think anyone can convince me that 1 goal up at Stamford Bridge when we're under pressure is the right time to bring him on the pitch.
 
Scarecrow said:
Because they were tired. It's what you do when you're trying to preserve a lead. Sub one winger for another, and put a defensive midfielder in. Fresh legs. It's literally the textbook approach. 90% of the managers would've done the same subs.
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No, most managers put a DM on in place of a forward to protect the lead.
 
Scarecrow said:
Half of you are complaining about going in blind defense, the other half that he's bringing on a counter-attack threat? It was textbook stuff. Unfortunately you don't play alone. There's another team that sometimes messes the plan up.
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It wasn't textbook stuff at all. If you're hanging on you make subs to improve your defensive capabilities. That's textbook stuff. We didn't do that. We were going all out defence but subbed off our most potent defender at set pieces in Fellaini and made a like-for-like attacking sub with Memphis on for Lingard. There's just no consistency there.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Well isn't that a problem then? He's following a "textbook approach" without actually analysing the players he's bringing on/off the pitch.

I mean, we've all seen Memphis play this season... I don't think anyone can convince me that 1 goal up at Stamford Bridge when we're under pressure is the right time to bring him on the pitch.
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This.

I was cursing at the TV when I saw him make that sub.
 
DocRockter said:
We started with a plan, then the players lost it during the 1st and it needed a strong half-time talk from Van Gaal. We came and took the game from them in the second. Personally I would had brought Herrera on and not Morgan but what cost us was the Memphis and how he performed.
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Fecking hell, Memphis cost us? The way he performed? They were waltzing through our entire team for the last 20 minutes, watch the game, we had 7% possession for the last 15. 7%. What a stupid, ridiculous thing to say. He tried to win a corner, he would have but Courtois was quick to get it. If he tries holding it up he'd have been doubled up and they'd have won it anyway, this place has a ridiculous agenda against Memphis. How about you blame the shitters who gave up at the 70th minute trying to sit on a 1-0 lead when their best defender got stretchered off? We got lucky they didn't get 3/4 in the last 20.
 
JTW95 said:
Not blaming him for today but it is now February and we are 6 points off top 4. That is just unacceptable.

Cannot wait to see the back of him.
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That's not even the worst of it, we are TWELVE points behind Leicester.. that in itself should be a sackable offence.
 
Raoul said:
I'm less interested in the result than I am the way we played, which is significantly better than we have for most of the year. That's a positive step forward.
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Improvement over being shit is still at best average.

He is failing under required standards by a significant distance in terms of points or performances both.
 
Basically both sides of LvG on display there. Good, mostly dominant performance in a big away game, but fail to really get that cutting edge and then too quick to go into "see out the game" mode. We should have kept playing as we were after we scored for a little while, not just parked the bus right away. Something like 90% possession for Chelsea those last 15 minutes, we were never going to last.
 
Not sure why this thread is still going. Van Gaal is gone in May at the latest.
We need to be showing some class now and getting behind him till he goes.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Sacking him would not be ideal now imo. Better for Mourinho to start on a clean slate in the summer where he can Work on the team in pre-season but also transfer wise.
We are still not out of the race for top 4.
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I think with Jose we have a decent shot of getting top 4. We need champs league to attract the players to try for the league title next season.
 
Rado_N said:
Being 'the champs' means feck all when you look at them this season. We played well in spurts, not enough, and invited constant pressure on ourselves after the goal.

To sum up our biggest issue in one word I'd say 'mentality' and that comes from the manager.
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The quality of our football was leaps and bounds better than the previous 90% of the year. This thread would be relatively silent if not for the late equalizer, which just proves the kneejerk logic of anyone attempting to use today's performance against LvG.
 
No one can convince me that we'd be where we are now, if we had have started the season with a positive attacking style. This is why ultimately, it falls on LVG because while he says nothing has changed - that's not true. I would like to know why for much of the season, we were completely negative. It's a strange situation but I think we have to win all our games now an he's brought that on himself.
 
AltiUn said:
Fecking hell, Memphis cost us? The way he performed? They were waltzing through our entire team for the last 20 minutes, watch the game, we had 7% possession for the last 15. 7%. What a stupid, ridiculous thing to say. He tried to win a corner, he would have but Courtois was quick to get it. If he tries holding it up he'd have been doubled up and they'd have won it anyway, this place has a ridiculous agenda against Memphis. How about you blame the shitters who gave up at the 70th minute trying to sit on a 1-0 lead when their best defender got stretchered off? We got lucky they didn't get 3/4 in the last 20.
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Memphis alone didn't cost us no... but he was the biggest symptom of LVG's incredibly poor game management. He just doesn't know how to effect a game whilst it's going on... either through his substitutions, or through his tactics.
 
FromTheBench said:
Improvement over being shit is still at best average.

He is failing under required standards by a significant distance in terms of points or performances both.
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Exactly, whilst this game was easier on the eye than the dross we served up over X'mas, it's far too little far too late.

Please just put the man out of his misery now.
 
Raoul said:
I'm less interested in the result than I am the way we played, which is significantly better than we have for most of the year. That's a positive step forward.
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Meh. All it shows is how van Gaal has held us back this season and makes me feel worse about what could and probably should have been. I, too, enjoyed the first hour but the last 30 was the infamous step back. Thats 14 points from our last 13.

As for you earlier comment, theres nothing impressive about earning a draw against this Chelsea side. Theyre woeful.
 
Bad sub, but what do you do? He has to try and get some confidence into Memphis somehow, he probably thought he's have a chance of scoring. I would've taken Mata off instead of Lingard though..he looked fecked after the 70th minute
 
We played well, can't really fault lvg today we just looked a bit tired and Chelsea took control. Was a shame to concede at the death but was a good performance on the whole and don't think the manager can be blamed today.
 
championo said:
Now that I am seeing the infusion of youth, I am ambivalent about the man. I love our youth and if anybody will give them a chance, it will be LVG. Mourinho will kill this movement.
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That's a good point. However, would you risk sacrificing a champions league spot for the sake of the three youth players? It's a hard dilemma because we aren't exactly guaranteed to win anything with a new manager either, but are guaranteed that Mourinho will shit on our youth. At least that's what we expect.

I suppose it would depend on Mourinho's ambitions; going off his recent interview it sounds as though he wants to settle down in England. Maybe he'd be more concerned with youth if that were the case?
 
bosnian_red said:
Basically both sides of LvG on display there. Good, mostly dominant performance in a big away game, but fail to really get that cutting edge and then too quick to go into "see out the game" mode. We should have kept playing as we were after we scored for a little while, not just parked the bus right away. Something like 90% possession for Chelsea those last 15 minutes, we were never going to last.
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I wish he didn't bring on Memphis tho.
 
Raoul said:
The quality of our football was leaps and bounds better than the previous 90% of the year. This thread would be relatively silent if not for the late equalizer, which just proves the kneejerk logic of anyone attempting to use today's performance against LvG.
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Not true, I was about to moan about his subs regardless of the late goal.
 
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