LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

Do you want LVG sacked?

  • Total voters
    1,419
Status
Not open for further replies.
Brophs said:
For me the only reason you don't bin him now is the ongoing chase for a CL spot. Even if it's, say, Mourinho that comes in, he might not hit the ground running and we could miss out (albeit I think we will anyway, with LVG in charge).

The flip side is if the next man gets the last few months of the season we won't have to go through another one of those summers where the manager decides to do very little while he figures out whether the players are good enough, which, for the most part, he'll decide they aren't.

And around and around we go...
Click to expand...

I'm hoping Jose is already doing his prep.

If it's true we're talking to him, and something is agreed (a la Pep), he has nothing distracting him (e.g. Van Gaal had the World Cup), and can quietly plan behind the scenes.

Though obviously it will be tough if he's not working with them day to day on the training field.
 
Whan a manager tells a player like Hernandez that you will play second fiddle more or less no matter how Rooney plays, he really is beyond redemption. How on earth can a manger even make something close to such an absurd statement?
 
Rossa said:
Whan a manager tells a player like Hernandez that you will play second fiddle more or less no matter how Rooney plays, he really is beyond redemption. How on earth can a manger even make something close to such an absurd statement?
Click to expand...

Philosophy.
 
I like how he says "Man Utd are still playing my football". The man can twist any situation into making himself look good.

Of course, it's "his" football. If I tell Man Utd to play with freedom, then it's "my" football, isn't it?
 
If it's confirmed Mourinho is coming then I'm happy for him to stay and guide us to the end of the season.
 
ken11 said:
I like how he says "Man Utd are still playing my football". The man can twist any situation into making himself look good.

Of course, it's "his" football. If I tell Man Utd to play with freedom, then it's "my" football, isn't it?
Click to expand...
He talks a lot of crap.

Dont take him seriously. Its better to avoid his press conferences. I did the same with Moyes. Just saves you the annoyance.
 
Invictus said:
Reckon Fabio Paratici would be a quality option in terms of what United need. In just 5 seasons him and Beppe Marotta have transformed an ageing and poor quality team that finished 7th in the Serie A with likes of Grosso, Sissoko, Melo, Diego, Zebina, Amauri, Iaquinta, while also dealing with low revenues and the departure of Del Piero, Trezeguet, Camoranesi, Cannavaro. You look at some of the players he has signed relative to the transfer money Juventus paid, and it is incredible:

Stephan Lichtsteiner - £7 million.
Andrea Pirlo - £0 million.
Leonardo Bonnucci - £10 million.
Nicola Leali - £2 million.
Kingsley Coman - £0 million.
Carlos Tevez - £7 million.
Roberto Pereyra - £10 million.
Alvaro Morata - £14 million.
Andrea Barzagli - £0.25 million. :lol:
Fernando Llorente - £0 million.
Patrice Evra - £1.5 million.
Arturo Vidal - £8.5 million.
Paul Pogba - £0 million.

Not everyone is a fan of their dealings this summer but they are rebuilding after losing Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez. Maybe one or two bad deals like Coman. But overall - they reached the European final last season, won the Serie A 4 times in 5 seasons since Paratici was stolen from Sampdoria, and their spine was built for maybe ~£60 million, especially their incredible midfield of Vidal+Pirlo+Pogba which cost £8.5 million in total. We need someone who apart from signing quality players, is also an expert at finding cheap deals instead of spending £35 million on Mané or £50 million on Lukaku. Really feel someone like him would be perfect for the club. Some Juventus supporters I know even call him baby Moggi or Agnelli.

Or maybe someone like José Caminero, who also has a good relationship with Woodward's friend Jorge Mendes, and even José Mourinho. Atletico have been exceptional since he came back in 2011, and some of their transfer deals are incredible value for money.

Aside from a DOF, I think maybe it's time to add ex-footballers as a buffer. I think if Gary does not make a good manager he can be like Rummenigge at Bayern, and before him Hoeneß, with maybe someone who is honest and brash like Keane, and someone who's a bit more diplomatic like Van der Sar or Ferdinand to complete the team. A team of 3-4 ex-footballers like that can do well, presuming there won't be political factions created because of their presence, which can be a worry at times to be honest.
Click to expand...

Nah that's the Juventus way. They had been doing so (and more effectively) during the reign of the triade Moggi, Giraudo and Bettega back in 1994.
 
Adebesi said:
I've changed my vote back to keep him till the end of the season as there is a logic to keeping him in place and letting the new guy start afresh next season.
Click to expand...

Can you explain the logic to me. I don't see it.
 
SteveW said:
Can you explain the logic to me. I don't see it.
Click to expand...
Basically I don't want an interim manager taking charge for the remainder of the season.

If the incoming manager - looks like Mourinho - is available now, fine, bring him in. But if he wants to start next season, leave Van Gaal until the summer.

A temporary manager for the remainder of the season would be too disruptive and not actually improve our situation in the short term, imo. Depending on who we got of course. But of the people it would likely be, would rather keep Van Gaal in place.
 
Adebesi said:
Basically I don't want an interim manager taking charge for the remainder of the season.

If the incoming manager - looks like Mourinho - is available now, fine, bring him in. But if he wants to start next season, leave Van Gaal until the summer.

A temporary manager for the remainder of the season would be too disruptive and not actually improve our situation in the short term, imo. Depending on who we got of course. But of the people it would likely be, would rather keep Van Gaal in place.
Click to expand...

Ah ok. There is some logic in that I guess. Have we any chance of top 4 with LVG though? I don't really think so
 
SteveW said:
Ah ok. There is some logic in that I guess. Have we any chance of top 4 with LVG though? I don't really think so
Click to expand...
I have to admit yesterday (or maybe Friday I forget) I was arguing Mourinho should be brought in straight away, I was saying I thought he should be made to come now even if he prefers not to. But others were saying he wouldn't do that, it would risk him getting off to a bad start, he wouldn't come without a transfer window first etc etc. I think if he wants the job we should use our leverage to make him set all those concerns aside and just come. But yeah, quite a few people seemed to think that was naive.

So that having been said, I think keep Van Gaal because an interim - Giggs or another internal appointment - won't do any better than him, imo. I don't think change for change's sake it going to improve results, or help us qualify for the CL.

Mourinho coming in now of course might, and would also give him more clarity about where we are and what we need in the summer.
 
Kraftwerker said:
My vote's staying on a sack him now but I still think this is the most likely outcome and I'm not too unhappy about it.

A new appointment could be a disaster at this point in the season.

It would be April at best before any of their ideas could come to fruition and therefore pointless.
Click to expand...

But a new manager would benefit hugely by working with the squad now rather than during a pre season where most of the players will be involved in Euro 2016.

The Dutch national team suffered a horrific run of results while trying to undo the "Philosophy" if that's going to happen to us I'd prefer it happened this season than next season.
 
Kraftwerker said:
My vote's staying on a sack him now but I still think this is the most likely outcome and I'm not too unhappy about it.

A new appointment could be a disaster at this point in the season.

It would be April at best before any of their ideas could come to fruition and therefore pointless.
Click to expand...

We don't look like making 4th as it is, so how exactly could a new appointment be a disaster? There's been plenty of examples where club get new managers for a short-term uplift in performance.

Benitez at Chelsea is a good example.
 
Cal? said:
We don't look like making 4th as it is, so how exactly could a new appointment be a disaster? There's been plenty of examples where club get new managers for a short-term uplift in performance.

Benitez at Chelsea is a good example.
Click to expand...

We have got to get Jose, its that simple
 
Sunny Jim said:
He rejected this notion.
Click to expand...
probably because its a bollocks media narrative. As if he just said to go out and do whatever they want. It just clicked. He said several times we were moving the ball too slow and didn't 'dare to play'. He says we are playing better now but does reject the notion that his tactics have massively changed, more just the confidence
 
We still play with the shackles on. Any player that runs past the halfway line nearly always stops and looks for a backwards pass.
 
El Zoido said:
We still play with the shackles on. Any player that runs past the halfway line nearly always stops and looks for a backwards pass.
Click to expand...
There are no "shackles". It's a matter of confidence and ability. Martial runs at players all the time. Memphis does it quite often. The rest of our players are simply not good at that and they know it. A new manager is not going to make Mata run forward and go past people.
 
Do we have to wait for top 4 to be mathematically gone before we sack him?
 
Should go now.

We not getting top four. I don't see us finishing above City and Arsenal. Leicester and Spurs are much better than is currently.
 
If we got rid now we could still win the Europa Cup. But we are just pissing away the season. Just hope we win the FA Cup and get a good manager in at the end of the season. Looks to be Jose. But no European football will be an immediate set back for us.
 
We let Chelsea get back after we scored. We need to keep going after the goal, but we dont. LvG out now.
 
His timing of substitutions is what I find most bizarre. I really don't understand what Herrera in the 93rd minute would achieve.
 
This is the 2nd away game in the new year we have pissed away due to inviting them onto us. It's just horrible game management.
 
Collapse is symptomatic of his management.

Spineless team as a group that shit themselves unless they have it all their way. No ideas going forward and squad is filled with shite that he bought.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.