hopefully mourinho is writing a 6 page letter of thanks for the foundations being laid for him
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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Latest Mourinho rumours suggest LvG hasn't been sacked because he has handed in his notice to quit end of the season. Giggs likely not wanting to take over as an interim manager. Giggs would have so much to lose personally if things don't go right for the remainder of the season.
Seems so but I'm uncomfortable with the timing of this development in relation to City announcing Pep. Seems to me that Pep was our first choice and we were actively pursuing him in December when we should have hired Mourinho and tried to salvage our season.
I just don't agree at all. I think Pep has been going to City for years and the club has been well aware of it, just like the rest of the football world.
BBC said we weren't in for Pep if I remember correctly.
The word was that we weren't going after pep because we knew for a long time he was going to City
Wasn't the "word" that United officials met with Guardiola in Paris?
Well, if they talked to Mourinho behind LvG's back chances are an interim manager is needed.
Not necessarily.
Pelligrini is being replaced at the end of this season. He will be attempting to win the quadruple.
Juup Heynckes won the treble in his his last season with Bayern...even though he knew it was his last few months with the club.
Remember LVG is not an idiot. He understands that if he loses/draws all the time (which he was doing) and gets booed by fans (which was happening), the writing is on the wall and he can have no complaints if he is told that this season is his last season with us. He'll be asked to stay till the end of the season and do the best possible job he can.
Some people have pride and want to do the best job they possibly can, even if they are being replaced or leaving their current organisation.
We obviously don't know but it's been reported quite a few times we knew and therefore didn't act.
Yes, but if they didn't agree on that and he's still on a 3 year contract while they went behind his back to talk to Mourinho, there's a good chance he quits immediately.
*fingerscrossed*.
It would be awesome if that happens.
What I fail to understand is why we didn't go for Mourinho immediately. Considering that bar a miracle this season is already lost, Mourinho would have got a nice headstart on evaluating his players and planning for the new season. It is very weird.
Unless Mourinho didn't want to take over mid season.
That is possible, especially with his father being very sick. Which would actually make sense while we were persisting with Van Gaal.
Which in turn would make me like Woody again.
Well since we are all going on the 'word', there was no word at any given time that he didn't want to take over in mid season.
It would have been a very strange decision to go for him. United seen to be stagnant, fans turning on manager, but there is still hope because of the league being Topsy turvy. Jose gets sacked through losing the players, no major injuries, team very close to relegation position having previously walked the league. So change one struggling manager with another. Would not make sense.
It would though. Mourinho had 5 bad months in 15 years of career. That would have been his first ever season which he wouldn't finish in top 3 (and only his second season which he wouldn't finish in top 2). Van Gaal has always been hit and miss. He did well for Barca in his first spell, but then was nearer the relegation than UCL zone in his second spell. He did great for Bayern in first season, but was outside of UCL zone in second season. He started well at AZ alkmar, before he finished in midtable, only to win the title the following season. He managed (somehow) to not qualify Holland for World Cup when he had one of the best collection of players in the world, but then somehow got the third place with them when he had the worst Holland side in history (or near it).
He has been always hit and miss, while Mourinho has always been hit bar this season. So yep, replacing an incredibly inconsistent manager who was doing extremely badly (worse than Moyes did, if we consider only this season) with one of the top managers of all time whom had an even worse season, but also that season being the only bad season he ever had, would make sense.
Obviously, if we consider only the last fifth months, it would be stupid to do so, but then if we consider only the last 5 months, Vardy and Mahrez would be considered better than Aguero and Ronaldo. So, no point on using 5 months in isolation. I guess a better representative would be to consider their entire career, or the last X years.
You are ignoring his character over those 15 years. He hasn't had a smooth time with any club, bar Porto I believe. There always seems to be turmoil. Where there is smoke and so on. Very few teams sack their manager just to take on another sacked manager, regardless of his history of success.
Now Mourinho is looking likely, and Giggs/another LVG season unlikely, it's easy to be a bit more clear headed about Van Gaal.
I think all things considered the guy has done a decent job. He took over a mentally shattered team and he has largely bought and sold well. He has given plenty of opportunities to youth and he has helped some players rebuild their careers at the club.
Crucially though the team never seem to have given up playing for him - I think this says a lot about what he has brought to the club, discipline and team spirit.
I think all things considered the guy has done a decent job. He took over a mentally shattered team and he has largely bought and sold well. He has given plenty of opportunities to youth and he has helped some players rebuild their careers at the club.
Crucially though the team never seem to have given up playing for him - I think this says a lot about what he has brought to the club, discipline and team spirit.
I am not ignoring it though. I just think that it is almost negligible compared with his record of trophies (1 title per 2 years, in addition to 2 UCL victories and 8 or so semis).
And well, if we go about character, is Van Gaal any better? Sacked and ruined relations with pretty much everyone in the top 2 clubs he ever managed (Barca and Bayern), in addition to getting sacked and ruined relations with everyone in his spell at Ajax as director of football.
His latest Press Conference showed exactly where the problem is, imo. The disparaging way he talks about his players sums him up.
Yes.
Contrast that with Ranieri and Klopp with the affection they show their players. I'm sure you get that extra effort out of players when they're being appreciated and loved.
same for LVG but he's won summit.
did LVG make all transfer decisions here and was it the same at barca and BM?
You're admitting LvG is struggling. Mourinho in your opinion is not an option. What alternatives are there left for the club?
Become Woody for a short while.
I am not saying he is not an option, I was responding to a statement that as soon as he was available it would have made sense to get him. I do not agree with that.
LVG'S situation this year is not comparable with Joses. Imo if LVG goes it will be at the end of his contract or if he fails to meet his targets this year. Not swayed from that position from day 1. I think so many want rid of LVG that they will believe any rumour that suggests he is going.
Agreed, both volatile characters, but nothing Jose did this year when he was struggling suggested he could turn it around. So if the view by many is LVG is struggling, then why would it make sense to take on another manager who is struggling.
I don't think football is all about targets. We're fans and go to matches to be entertained. I've said previously I'd still call this season a failure even if we fluked winning the Premiership. It's been shocking to watch.
I don't think anyone has said any different.
Horses for courses.
Obviously, if we assume that Chelsea's shocking and sudden decline was simply down to Mourinho losing his mojo completely, it makes no sense to even consider hiring him for another top job (and a very tricky one at that).
If, one the other hand, we assume that the Chelsea situation was unique, and complex, and not simply a question of Mourinho losing his mojo completely – well, there you are.
I think he'd lost his affection (for want of a better word) for the club and his heart just wasn't in it. That in itself isn't a great trait, but I think a new challenge could ignite some passion.
We talked to Van Gaal behind Moyes back. He was Spurs- bound before that.
Rumours of such talks were widely denied by the club at the time.
Mourinho lost the dressing room.
He made some pretty foul decisions down the line. Ones that the club should never have let him get away with, but ultimately the team stopped playing for him. And I think the chief instigator was Costa.
the pit bull he brought in to fight for the team turned on him.
I hope he's learned his lesson.
anyway back to the thread. Can LvG just get the feck out now please he's turning me cold.
Hopefully Mourinho is using his available time in assessing the United squad and handing Woody his transfer targets for the summer.
I've changed my vote back to keep him till the end of the season as there is a logic to keeping him in place and letting the new guy start afresh next season.
My vote's staying on a sack him now but I still think this is the most likely outcome and I'm not too unhappy about it.
A new appointment could be a disaster at this point in the season.
It would be April at best before any of their ideas could come to fruition and therefore pointless.
"Turmoil" is a bit strong for his first stint at Chelsea, no? He fell out with Abramovich over Shevchenko and the results tapered off in his last season and he left. Tapered off, not catastrophic collapse - Grant did well with them that season so they hadn't fallen that far behind. The squad still loved him at that point, as I remember it.
For me the only reason you don't bin him now is the ongoing chase for a CL spot. Even if it's, say, Mourinho that comes in, he might not hit the ground running and we could miss out (albeit I think we will anyway, with LVG in charge).
The flip side is if the next man gets the last few months of the season we won't have to go through another one of those summers where the manager decides to do very little while he figures out whether the players are good enough, which, for the most part, he'll decide they aren't.
And around and around we go...
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