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Do you want LVG sacked?

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DomesticTadpole said:
Like what? He has dragged this club through the mud with his antics, why would he have any sway? He has shown no particular genius as a coach. In fact him being involved with this shambles should guarantee him the boot. I hate the fact we are forcing Giggs on managers. It's not right.
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Spot on Tadders.

Plus whatever the ex-players will say it's too bad - the United hierarchy need to deal with it. It can't be any worse than what they encouraged already by lending legitimacy to the media's campaign against us. I thought the team started ok though not spectacular, and if given a chance might have grown in confidence. Instead, we got all the moaning from ex-players criticising everything and agreeing with the daft press pack. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with legitimate criticism, but it must be conveyed in a fair manner, especially when using a media platform because you have such influence over people. Moreover, our ex players have access to the club and could have saved their strongest criticism for any face to face with LVG. The guy is Dutch, he wouldn't be offended by a bit of conflict. The problem is that they chose to do their thing publicly.

I don't doubt that this played a part in damaging the confidence of our players, however small it might be. The fact Giggs is the assistant manager who allowed this to carry on, shows me his lack of good judgment. He's partly responsible for these players, yet he just allowed things to carry on. If it irritated and riled fans hearing all the negativity, what about the players? Surely it's conflicting to have the manager telling you one thing, whilst the ass manager's mates are saying something else?

Who then do you rely on as a player?

Club hierarchy completely to blame for allowing this.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Like what? He has dragged this club through the mud with his antics, why would he have any sway? He has shown no particular genius as a coach. In fact him being involved with this shambles should guarantee him the boot. I hate the fact we are forcing Giggs on managers. It's not right.
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This is the time fans take a stance and not turn up for games, if VG some how gets a third season, boycott would be a way of showing their disgust towards the people running the club. Because at the minute they are taking the piss
 
I'm beginning to think they have to drag SAF out of retirement to sort this mess out till the end of the season.
 
Crackers said:
Probably some of the board worrying how United will change once he's gone. Shame, but they need to move on. The club will be around long after them, they need to make decisions for the future, now for how they want to see the club ran.
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Giggs could do a Bobby, feck around in management for a bit, realise he's not much good at it, then join the United board as the elder statesman and club figurehead, until he retires, adored by all.
 
Agree with OneUnited26 that all you loyal Man. United supporters should boycott the next home game to force Van Gal out.
Stubborn old man without tactical know-how to change or motivate the players.
Actually come to think about it he may be employed to cut the wage bill as he got rid of so many highly paid strikers.
If he could he would also have gotten rid of Wayne lousy, unfit, scared to get injured, Rooney.
 
shabadu84 said:
Continued mediocrity won't get him out (hasn't yet) - sadly, a severe, embarassing loss or two is the only way Woody's hand will be forced. The loss to Stoke at home felt like that type of game but here we are 1 month later. Either that or total mutiny by the fans during a match, which I could never see happening. Otherwise, he'll see the top 4 hunt out and that will be the end regardless.
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Imagine we could pull that off, after 20 minutes, every one of our fans gets up and leaves in total silence. Would be one of the greatest displays of togetherness shown by fans against the money men that infest our once great club.

Only a dream though, imagine trying to get the message across to every one of our out of town fans.
 
As someone suggested elsewhere, a first half boycott is the way. That way it directly comments on the lack of 1st half goals AND means the fans get to go in & support the team for the 2nd half. Though it would have to be a Woodward & Van Gaal out protest, for me. This just isn't going to happen though, I don't think.

After Friday, there will be 2 possible outcomes:
- Van Gaal goes. If we lose to Derby. Therefore a protest not required. Ideal sacking time as the next home game is on the Tuesday, so the team can quickly get on with life without him.
- Van Gaal stays. Win or draw against Derby. Even though a draw is just not good enough. This option a protest might be required.


I saw a couple of bits of a snapped & discarded Season ticket at Piccadilly station on the way back from the last home game. The lacklustre performances aren't just not good enough, they're not bothered about being good enough.

Our new manager needs to be able to be a pragmatist. To be able to work with what he has & to be able to change things when required. And ideally someone who looks
 
mark_a said:
As someone suggested elsewhere, a first half boycott is the way. That way it directly comments on the lack of 1st half goals AND means the fans get to go in & support the team for the 2nd half. Though it would have to be a Woodward & Van Gaal out protest, for me. This just isn't going to happen though, I don't think.

After Friday, there will be 2 possible outcomes:
- Van Gaal goes. If we lose to Derby. Therefore a protest not required. Ideal sacking time as the next home game is on the Tuesday, so the team can quickly get on with life without him.
- Van Gaal stays. Win or draw against Derby. Even though a draw is just not good enough. This option a protest might be required.


I saw a couple of bits of a snapped & discarded Season ticket at Piccadilly station on the way back from the last home game. The lacklustre performances aren't just not good enough, they're not bothered about being good enough.

Our new manager needs to be able to be a pragmatist. To be able to work with what he has & to be able to change things when required. And ideally someone who looks
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Sounds great in theory but there's a large element of our fans who couldn't care less, they may aswell be tourists going to see Auschwitz or Ground zero.

They won't want to miss out on a whole half of taking selfies and posting on instagram in the scarves they just took the labels off.

Threatening to give up season tickets loses it's threat when there's a waiting list of fans with more money than loyalty ready to replace you.

Victims of our own success in a way, on the upside maybe a few lean years will see them support another club though.
 
horsechoker said:
Watching this and hearing the commentator say "Man United look like scoring every time they have the ball" really brings home how far we've regressed under Moyes and LVG:(

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The damage both VG and Moyes have done, has been so bad god knows when we can finally get back on track, because between both they have probably turned us into a midtable team at this rate, both will go down has the worst managers we have had in decades
 
horsechoker said:
Watching this and hearing the commentator say "Man United look like scoring every time they have the ball" really brings home how far we've regressed under Moyes and LVG:(

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Ando with the through ball:cool:

He's looked back on as a bit of a joke, but we've been the joke since he left.
 
I wonder who deals with the Official United website. There is a piece today about Lingard explaining his goal celebration. That won't be seeing the light very often. If these players practiced actually putting the ball in the net, rather than how to celebrate when they do, we might actually be higher up the table.
 
DWelbz19 said:
That picture of Martial is gold.
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This one's better.

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Oneunited26 said:
The damage both VG and Moyes have done, has been so bad god knows when we can finally get back on track, because between both they have probably turned us into a midtable team at this rate, both will go down has the worst managers we have had in decades
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To be fair we've only had 4 managers in 3 decades, one being Ryan Giggs for four games.
 
Van gaal is not what I was expecting at all, I thought we eye going to get a crazy, outspoken manager who would take his time but world mould an attacking side which got results.

Instead we have a boring manager who looks like he is hanging on by a thread in more than one way, a side playing awful and boring ad feck football and not even getting good results either. Its just been a total gangfeck so far.
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
Van gaal is not what I was expecting at all, I thought we eye going to get a crazy, outspoken manager who would take his time but world mould an attacking side which got results.

Instead we have a boring manager who looks like he is hanging on by a thread in more than one way, a side playing awful and boring ad feck football and not even getting good results either. Its just been a total gangfeck so far.
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I thought he'd be able to control the media nearly as well as Fergie could, instead he gets very wound up by them and seems stressed out all the time. Moyes was weak like that too, got bullied far too easily by the tabloid scum.
 
horsechoker said:
To be fair we've only had 4 managers in 3 decades, one being Ryan Giggs for four games.
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Atleast since the departure of sir matt, which seems to be repeating itself, we cannot call it 2.0 as we have not been relegated, but VG and Moyes both have been so bad no one can say they were better, as both have been dire.

VG I actually hate more because of how so much work has been destroyed this season by him. All we did hear from VG in his first season that we are so unbalanced, we get into the CL again, and VG seemed to be a one man show by ripping apart not only numbers at the back and front, he never replaced the numbers, he changes his system, has very little faith in the likes of depay and herrera, makes us so impotent going forward, and we are at a point where we are has beatable has the Moyes teams of 2014. Like I say, we did so much hard graft getting back into the elite, VG seemed to set elite everything that was put into place this season, much Like Moyes done when he was in-charge, can you imagine if DDG did go to Madrid? WOW. What makes it so bad, we have actually a weaker squad this season than last
 
If the board are backing him then why on earth aren't we out there in the transfer market sorting out the holes the he's identified (also created) in the squad. The likes of Leicester and Liverpool are and will be even better than us for it.

This limbo situation is only going to be absolutely disastrous for us.
 
LvG has bought the wrong players. Our squad doesn't have the technical ability to play tiki taka football in tight spaces. You can moan about a lack of movement if you like, but I think it comes down to our players not trusting their teammates to find them with the right pass in congested areas of the pitch. That's why they dawdle around in non-threatening positions of space instead. Out of all of our squad, only Mata has the reliable accuracy that's required. It's the reason he's been a mainstay in the side up until recently, when we shifted away from possession football.

Van Gaal has dulled our football, wasted our money, cost us in the league and all for little return in terms of squad recomposition. I see hardly any long term positive from his reign.
 
Dante said:
LvG has bought the wrong players. Our squad doesn't have the technical ability to play tiki taka football in tight spaces. You can moan about a lack of movement if you like, but I think it comes down to our players not trusting their teammates to find them with the right pass in congested areas of the pitch. That's why they dawdle around in non-threatening positions of space instead. Out of all of our squad, only Mata has the reliable accuracy that's required. It's the reason he's been a mainstay in the side up until recently, when we shifted away from possession football.

Van Gaal has dulled our football, wasted our money, cost us in the league and all for little return in terms of squad recomposition. I see hardly any long term positive from his reign.
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If we do win anything after he's gone, expect his fans to on about foundations or something.

He's legacy here will be the disastrous job he's done. He wont think of this job fondly either.
 
Leftback99 said:
If the board are backing him then why on earth aren't we out there in the transfer market sorting out the holes the he's identified (also created) in the squad. The likes of Leicester and Liverpool are and will be even better than us for it.

This limbo situation is only going to be absolutely disastrous for us.
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Exactly, it's a double whammy for us fans really.

Maybe in the long run it's better not letting LvG loose in the transfer market again, but it makes from now until May look pretty bleak.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Well when the manager is woefully inept, isn't getting results and can't be trusted with new signings while the board won't sack him it's always going to take over all talk of the club.
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My point is, we shouldn't be talking about it because we should already have a new manager.
 
Leftback99 said:
If the board are backing him then why on earth aren't we out there in the transfer market sorting out the holes the he's identified (also created) in the squad. The likes of Leicester and Liverpool are and will be even better than us for it.
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very good question.
 
Fvcking pathetic, won't back him in the transfer market, will back him after such a poor run. We're sinking fast and they aren't even willing to throw him a life raft, I just can't believe it.
 
pocco said:
I think it's a good article for giving the fans Giggs' perspective, it echoes a post I made somewhere recently. People are going way overboard with their criticism for Giggs.

At the end of the day, the guy is probably the most loyal man in football right now and he loves the club, nobody can begrudge him from wanting the job. Especially when he has people like SAF telling him that he can do it and the club/current manager making noises about him being the succession plan. Let's face it, you'd be insane to walk away from that.

Anybody that has a problem with it or him because of this is talking out of their backside. Aim your frustration at the club if they do hire him, because he shouldn't turn the opportunity down. I doubt anyone on here would if they were in his shoes.
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Oh yeah you can't blame Giggs for wanting the job etc.

I don't see at at all though why the board would be worried. Where is he going to go? He's got no managerial experience and were it not for the fact that he's a legend here then he wouldn't have a chance of being the next manager imo, it's not like if we don't give him the job he's going to Arsenal or something. He can only really hope for a mid tier team and then what's the risk? If he turns out to be a top manager we can bring him back in, I mean he's got to be pretty unreasonable, on the back of 3 poor seasons at the club where he's been a key part of the coaching staff to think he is the best choice and would want to cut all ties to the club if we don't make him manager.

Personally I think it would be good for Giggs to get some experience at a smaller club or with the youth team at least. The club isn't in the situation Barca were with Pep for example, there's some real problems in the club that need addressing, the next choice has got to have experience surely. Yes LVG had that but he was also not exactly at the top of club managers when he came here.

As for LVG I think the situation is a mess. There's surely no point in the board weighing up if they fire him before the end of season or not if that is the case. Unless he completely looses the dressing room a new manager, with no opportunity to bring in some new players etc can have limited impact now, and smaller still the later we leave it. Best case is to probably keep him and line up a new manager for the summer. If we don't get any players in though, even just to help cover fullback seems an odd decision as well.
 
Ash_G said:
Oh yeah you can't blame Giggs for wanting the job etc.

I don't see at at all though why the board would be worried. Where is he going to go? He's got no managerial experience and were it not for the fact that he's a legend here then he wouldn't have a chance of being the next manager imo, it's not like if we don't give him the job he's going to Arsenal or something. He can only really hope for a mid tier team and then what's the risk? If he turns out to be a top manager we can bring him back in, I mean he's got to be pretty unreasonable, on the back of 3 poor seasons at the club where he's been a key part of the coaching staff to think he is the best choice and would want to cut all ties to the club if we don't make him manager.

Personally I think it would be good for Giggs to get some experience at a smaller club or with the youth team at least. The club isn't in the situation Barca were with Pep for example, there's some real problems in the club that need addressing, the next choice has got to have experience surely. Yes LVG had that but he was also not exactly at the top of club managers when he came here.

As for LVG I think the situation is a mess. There's surely no point in the board weighing up if they fire him before the end of season or not if that is the case. Unless he completely looses the dressing room a new manager, with no opportunity to bring in some new players etc can have limited impact now, and smaller still the later we leave it. Best case is to probably keep him and line up a new manager for the summer. If we don't get any players in though, even just to help cover fullback seems an odd decision as well.
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I agree he should have tried to gain experience elsewhere to prove himself. There are loads of people out there who would love the United job, including lots on here, doesn't mean they are qualified to do it.
 
Silverman said:
So sick of all this talk now tbh. It taken over all things United.
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I'm with you but what else is there to talk about? Take a look at the active threads. Most are about other teams, players we won't sign, and players we signed but left and are tearing it up in a mickey mouse league.:rolleyes:
In all seriousness, everything about United is boring as feck right now. All the talk is about our boring style of play and our boring manager. There are no incoming players linked from credible sources(cocks in), despite us needing a CB, 2 full backs and wingers that can fecking play. Not to mention a striker that is capable of putting the ball in the net, or better yet, attempting to put the ball in the net. The stories the press are putting out there are ridiculous as ever. Giggs threatening to quite if he doesn't get the job, LVG being evaluated on a game by game basis, LVG wanting to quite but Ed won't let him. Have we really sunk to that level as a club?
 
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