So is most other reports. Just pure speculations and opinions, majorly based on what people write in here.
I would advise everyone to take every piece of news from the media with a pinch of salt before jumping to conclusions.
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So is most other reports. Just pure speculations and opinions, majorly based on what people write in here.
I would advise everyone to take every piece of news from the media with a pinch of salt before jumping to conclusions.
I think he was the second gunman, the one on the Grassy Knoll.
I must confess this was one of my more 'creative' posts. But it was designed to prompt debate and to look at the bigger picture for why Giggs seems to survive...He spelled sentence wrong.
Like an FA Cup exit to Derby? I can see us really struggling in that game. An away game on a Friday night with their fans pumped and our players completely devoid of any confidence.
This is probably been briefed by giggs people. Why would united be afraid to lose an ASSISTANT manager under whose reign united finished 7th and maybe outside top4 in 2 seasons. Power struggle, it reeks of it. United are in the shits.
Admin might as well lock this thread because there are no circumstances under which Van Gaal will resign or be sacked.
We fans can show our disapproval as much as we like, it means absolutely nothing. All we are to Woodward and the Glazers is a cash cow to be milked and ignored.
We fans can show our disapproval as much as we like, it means absolutely nothing. All we are to Woodward and the Glazers is a cash cow to be milked and ignored.
I really wonder what the feck Woody and Co are doing? How do they see this pan out? In his last interview, Van Gaal very much sounded like a man on borrowed time, yet hes still here. We have gone from bad, to full blown meltdown now, and there is no way back for Van Gaal it seems. Hes lost the fans and apparently the dressing room so what are they waiting for?
If we end up with neither Mou or Pep i think there will be riots.
Yes, I really don't know what their rationale is. In any other business any manager so badly underperforming would have been long gone.
I really wonder what the feck Woody and Co are doing? How do they see this pan out? In his last interview, Van Gaal very much sounded like a man on borrowed time, yet hes still here. We have gone from bad, to full blown meltdown now, and there is no way back for Van Gaal it seems. Hes lost the fans and apparently the dressing room so what are they waiting for?
If we end up with neither Mou or Pep i think there will be riots.
Any idea why club is coming out with statements like "There was no resignation from him" or "There is no scheduled meeting"
Usually dont we keep silent about all speculations?
Usually dont we keep silent about all speculations?
You make some interesting points. However, none of the above matter if we continue to underachieve out on the pitch. Hiring Giggs is 90% guaranteed, imho, to worsen the on the pitch situation. The 'brand' would take another massive hit in that case. In short, if we continue being shit - we're eroding the value of the brand. Therefore, in light of this, I think the lesser of the two evils is letting Ryan go.
Been away for the last day or so, and there seems to be a lot of activity, so the little tidbits I read, the story about LVG offering to resign, and Woodward telling him to stay actually seems to have some legs?
While I don't think Giggs should be our next permanent manager I cannot imagine our on the pitch situation being worse.
I think we would actually see some exciting football because he would be trying to do it 'The United Way' like in hid last spell in charge.
None I guess. Someone put the news and everyone started picking on it.
I think club has said nothing of that sort happened. LvG was on leave anyways.
No, I don't just mean losing, I mean getting soundly outplayed and losing by multiple goals. Embarassment. We've largely avoided those types of games under LVG (5 losses of 2+ goals in all comps in 1.5 seasons). Losing to Southampton by 1 goal at home with a hapless performance stinks but it doesn't cut as deep as, say, getting destroyed by Liverpool and City and that's rarely happened under LVG.
I think it's kept the general feeling about him less angry than it got under Moyes (7 such losses in under 1 season). All those halftime 0-0's create tension and uneasiness, sure, and there are boos at the end but I think we need to be put to the sword for Woody & Co to finally put an end to it.
I can imagine if we go 1-0 down early in a game at Old Trafford and still play ponderous football, the knives will be out and the fans will really be out for blood. Don't think Van Gaal could survive a game of such open mutiny.
Woodward probably seen on social media how the fans were turning on him.
I've been thinking about writing a book called Things That Manchester United Does Not Have To Worry About, this reads like a synopsis for my first chapter.
The thing about Mendes, yes he would have influence, but the influence would be with a Jose, so he would have access to the best of his players not the lower level players.
This has been mishandled in the worst way. He's done a terrible job no doubt, but it hasn't been made any easier with the amount of injuries the squad has now. If they aren't going to sack him (like they should have after Wolfsburg, or Norwich at the latest), they should have backed him with a couple of signings to give us a fighting chance of making top 4 and thus giving our next manager the best possible chance for a quick turnaround (and put more money in the clubs/owners pockets obviously). We didn't need to sign Neymar and Hummels to stop the rot and make top 4, just signing a couple of squad players in defence (a LB and CB preferrably), which we'll need anyway as we're short on numbers, would allow us to play players in their natural positions and improve the balance of the team. Actual fullbacks on both sides + no Fellaini in CM (the new signings would allow us to move Blind into CM) would go a long way to giving us a more structured side that is capable of opening up a little in the attacking end of the pitch without it turning into a end to end free for all like it tends to do when we've done that before this season (Newcastle comes to mind).
What gets me is that we have been linked with the odd defender, but mainly it's midfielders or attackers. We don't need them, they are not functioning because of the system. Change the system and they should be fine. We need defenders because we are short and he knew we were short.
There just doesn't seem to be any plan in place. It's all about signing big names for the XI, no attention being paid to building a squad. Going into the season with 2 fullbacks was, in hindsight, madness. We're going to need to sign some cover for those positions, we might as well get a head start on it now and give LvG a fighting chance for the rest of the season, rather than having to add them to the summer shopping list, which will most likely be extensive enough as it is.
There's no logic in your response. People progress in their careers and no one would ever be given a chance if they applied your rules. Where would Mourinho and Guardiola be if Porto and Barcelona thought the same?
LvG would have met your criteria, and has been a massive failure. Other big names have been flops too - Capello, Scolari etc.
My point was I'd rather have Hughes than Giggs, but I think Hughes would do a better job than Moyes and Van Gaal have, and probably better than a lot of 'bigger' names would do.
They would be in the same position as Giggs, as they wouldn't have been given a chance just like you won't give him one. Your post is full of contradictions.
Problem with that is Hughes had managed City when they were not exactly minnows. He was bang average. If you start giving every average manager a chance to manage United, then people like Pardew, Big Sam and Pulis should also be in the running.
So why do you think United's top brass 'fear' losing Giggs, as reported? I've already said my post was intended as a thought starter in answer to this question....
So what are they afraid of then?
The wrath of the ex players? However if he is a disaster will same ex players call for his head. Ex players should not be dictating to the club about who we should employ from their positions as pundits. That is only OK if they are on the board or are employed for that purpose like a lot of european clubs.
I think there is something happening as we are not in the obvious transfer market as the board wont let LVG (thankfully) buy more crap.
Big problem is , if we don't get top 4 we wont attract anybody .
Big problem is , if we don't get top 4 we wont attract anybody .
If there is something going to happen, it should have happened before the window opened, not just as it's shutting.
Maybe. I'm not sure though. They don't seem to give a deck about the various rants of Keano, Scholesy and Rio. There is something more going on with Giggs. If they are genuinely 'afraid' of losing him there is something else going on...
Like Giggs has invented a machine which would transfer all of Woodward's money into his account at the click of a button.
I'm guessing but, like many modern institutions, I think United fear bad PR & any tarnishing of their image as a squeaky-clean, money-making success story. The inevitable 'United in chaos'/'United legend shown the door by ruthless money men'-type headlines would be most unwelcome in that respect. So I don't believe it's Giggs possibly going rogue that they fear but knee-jerk bad press which potentially affects business.
On a side note: we're often romantic about players and staff apparently loving the club before all else - even their careers - but we shouldn't be; with precious few exceptions, that love is the province of the fans.
Like what? He has dragged this club through the mud with his antics, why would he have any sway? He has shown no particular genius as a coach. In fact him being involved with this shambles should guarantee him the boot. I hate the fact we are forcing Giggs on managers. It's not right.
Press conference for the Derby game will be interesting. On tomorrow, isn't it?
Don't you think Giggs has brought enough bad PR on us already?
You all owe me an apology. My family, my daughter's bday. You ruined it all. It is all your fault.
In the rather pragmatic world of pro football, I imagine that poor morals only costs someone their job when they're viewed as expendable (a faded Roy Keane, The Doc etc etc) or when there's such an outcry that they have to be dismissed; others (Giggs, Eric, Suarez) only survive the furore because they're seen as crucial to their particular employers.
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