What the feck is going through Woodwards head? It's painfully clear LVG needs to go yet he hasn't. I know I'm repeating what everyone else is saying, but Woodward hasn't a clue. If this sets us off down a dark long road, he'll be the one at fault.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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We are going to close all the borders while he is out of the country.You joined the dark side, nice.
better check under all those lorries....
I agree, 100%. The football has become a byproduct. Fergie must feel sick the way these leeches are milking the money making opportunities that he earnt us but neglecting the footballing foundations that he put in place. We've ripped up everything that he did, decades of hard work.
Andy Mittens briefing still sticks in my mind, where the online/foreign supporters were trod on by the club. It fecking stinks to the high heavens. The money men have forgotten that it's the people that made this club, not the money.
are you serious? I'm not.
You joined the dark side, nice.
He's destroying my club, no mercy
He helped do it with Moyes. The so called 'football board' is as much to blame.
Do you think that the standards set by lvg this season are acceptable?
I am not aware of any standard he has set. If you mean am I happy with the style of football or the results, the answer would be a definite No.
Do I believe we will get top 4, Yes.
Do I believe all these super teams playing attractive football and are below us will over take us No.
Do I believe LVG will be sacked, Not unless he fails to meet the targets set by the board.
Nevermind him not being sacked, are there even any rumours about him getting sacked? How can it all be so quiet?
It absolutely beggars belief that LVG is still our manager.
Perhaps the fans need to stage a protest?
It absolutely beggars belief that LVG is still our manager.
Perhaps the fans need to stage a protest?
See I don't have a problem with us taking a chance on someone, as we did with Moyes. In the end, he got less than a season. I don't buy into the thinking that he did massive damage to the club. We just moved on to the next.
The same should apply to Van Gaal. The difference here though is that a) this guy has spent a serious amount of our money and b) he's adopted a brand of football that has made us the laughing stock. If we don't act soon then damage will be done. Sponsors are already commenting on it, we're in danger of missing out on the CL and our reputation as a football club is plummeting.
Sorry but after reading that I can only conclude that you have your head stuck fully in the sand. I can't believe excuses are still rolling out, it's pathetic. The buck stops with lvg. He cut the squad, he trains them, he mind controls them with his outdated philosophy, he's the one that chooses defensive tactics at home. You can only make excuses so often before you have to wake up and smell the coffee
Quiet before the storm
Glad you think you can speak on behalf of all reds.
I do not recall making one comment defending LVG. What I have said is that many of the anti-LVG posters have double standards.
As far as my own standards are concerned the fact I am probably one of the few forecasting a United win in every match and believing United should be challenging for the title suggests my standards are pretty consistent and certainly not dropped.
The fact I do not want Jose anywhere near the club should also confirm that. Find it amusing that those that slate LVG, then bend over backwards to have a manager that has a history of negative football, unless winning is all that matters.
It's not happening, I have spent the last two months waiting for the news and nothing.
It will now, have faith
as much as we are mad with the board, we need to remember these people are not concerned about the football club as we are. They are investors. The reason they have delayed with any desions so far is because they in all probability have calculated these risks when they hired him. I think they must have discussed his leaving but I'm sure he is holding on to the letter of the contract. After all this is his last realistic job. Who else will hire this git. He is a fraud and con man who has got the board by its balls. It is possible he will get the boot and we pay out if we are in danger of not just finishing in the top 4 but seriously look to be diving down the table. I don't know.
I also think the board will be selling thier investment within 2 years. It certainly looks that way, if you step back and look at it purely from that angle.
I think a protest is a good idea.
LVG can leave, however the structure of it all is dumb.
When Fergie was first appointed, he was able to create his vision of a club. At that time, it wasn't a commercial entity, so footballing side was able to set a proper foundation. Academy, scouting system, nutrition, club culture, ethos, etc. Class of 92 and then all the pieces/players came into play.
Then all the money and commercialization came second, however it complimented the footballing side like no other and the dominance of Fergie was for all to see. But he remained the constant. Meanwhile, David Gill and the board thought everything was in place. Insert here (manager, executive chief) and press play. Oops.
In American sports, which is long typical of some of the Director of Football or Bayern/Barca footballing setups, there's the commercial and sporting sides. United will always have the commercial side (in general - not including current play). However, the structure of the football/sporting operations are completely stupid and frankly ass backwards.
The type of football to be played and success achieved (i.e. the standards and how those standards are to be attained) are not the issue/question/problem.
It's the vision or philosophy of it all. Woodward doesn't have this. Fergie had it since Scotland and made it come true at United, so there was no need to have the structure because he was the structure. He knew how it should be run, who makes decisions, why. Complete autonomy. But it's different days and it was even in the later years of Fergie. Fergie had a great backroom staff and coaches, he simplified it. Fergie knew the team would pick itself like it does for the most part now, but there will be a few players that had to be rotated in/out. Get the team mentally ready, keep morale up and oversee the mental side. Coach 1 runs training session, Coach 2 runs conditioning, Coach 3 runs gym time, Coach 4,5,6 runs specific training for specific positions.
The Club failed in realizing this. The insert here and press play attempt with Moyes was naive and wrong. LVG was the right choice at the time, however Woodward himself probably doesn't know what is needed in terms of actual talent or changing. For example, if United needs a right winger type player, does Woodward know how to spot a talent or does he rely everything on LVG and the scouts? If you're in charge of the footballing matters, one must be able on their own, know if the player is quality or can grow. Have a constructive process with scouts, manager and coaches on whether or not the player is good enough. I question if Woodward is this adept.
Why there isn't a Board of Football and a hierarchy is stupid.
When Fergie was first appointed, he was able to create his vision of a club. At that time, it wasn't a commercial entity, so footballing side was able to set a proper foundation. Academy, scouting system, nutrition, club culture, ethos, etc. Class of 92 and then all the pieces/players came into play.
Then all the money and commercialization came second, however it complimented the footballing side like no other and the dominance of Fergie was for all to see. But he remained the constant. Meanwhile, David Gill and the board thought everything was in place. Insert here (manager, executive chief) and press play. Oops.
In American sports, which is long typical of some of the Director of Football or Bayern/Barca footballing setups, there's the commercial and sporting sides. United will always have the commercial side (in general - not including current play). However, the structure of the football/sporting operations are completely stupid and frankly ass backwards.
The type of football to be played and success achieved (i.e. the standards and how those standards are to be attained) are not the issue/question/problem.
It's the vision or philosophy of it all. Woodward doesn't have this. Fergie had it since Scotland and made it come true at United, so there was no need to have the structure because he was the structure. He knew how it should be run, who makes decisions, why. Complete autonomy. But it's different days and it was even in the later years of Fergie. Fergie had a great backroom staff and coaches, he simplified it. Fergie knew the team would pick itself like it does for the most part now, but there will be a few players that had to be rotated in/out. Get the team mentally ready, keep morale up and oversee the mental side. Coach 1 runs training session, Coach 2 runs conditioning, Coach 3 runs gym time, Coach 4,5,6 runs specific training for specific positions.
The Club failed in realizing this. The insert here and press play attempt with Moyes was naive and wrong. LVG was the right choice at the time, however Woodward himself probably doesn't know what is needed in terms of actual talent or changing. For example, if United needs a right winger type player, does Woodward know how to spot a talent or does he rely everything on LVG and the scouts? If you're in charge of the footballing matters, one must be able on their own, know if the player is quality or can grow. Have a constructive process with scouts, manager and coaches on whether or not the player is good enough. I question if Woodward is this adept.
Why there isn't a Board of Football and a hierarchy is stupid.
I think the problem with sacking him now is we have waited too long, I hope it's because we are waiting for the summer for the right manager, but I imagine much will be dependent on the top 4 finish as not many top managers would want to come in when we are out of the CL.
The board only care about money as most are saying, but the club has to be attractive and successful to keep attracting the big deals and making the money, and right now we are neither. Fan-wise it's not about those of us that watch every game no matter how crappy it gets and then congregate on the Caf afterwards for a good moan and rant, they have us for life. They will lose the fans that only support the club for the above reasons though and while that wouldn't matter to us it matters to the bottom line.
The board only care about money as most are saying, but the club has to be attractive and successful to keep attracting the big deals and making the money, and right now we are neither. Fan-wise it's not about those of us that watch every game no matter how crappy it gets and then congregate on the Caf afterwards for a good moan and rant, they have us for life. They will lose the fans that only support the club for the above reasons though and while that wouldn't matter to us it matters to the bottom line.
He still here? Okay, just checking.
Sigh.
Sigh.
The Board looks at hardline, tangible goals. I would be surprised not by the sacking, but the timing, of LVG's inevitable departure. I have the feeling that as long as Top 4 is mathematically possible, he'll be in charge. If Spurs continue to win and United don't match the points more times than not, the situation will be accelerated and a decision will have to be made one way or the other.
Your entitled to your view, but I am happy with mine. If you really believe the players have no responsibility then I would suggest your dislike for everything LVG is clouding your judgement.
It has been stated in many threads LVG will get the boot if he doesn't meet his targets. That is no different to anyone else. That doesn't defend players being held accountable for their performances.
I mean, this. I really don't understand the structure of the club, it doesn't even correspond to one of the theoreticai organizational structure, the board and the finance men are drowning at the moment.
This is just so silly, if the players aren't good enough then it's LvG's fault for buying badly, if the players aren't playing for him the it's LvG's fault for creating this situation, and if the players are sticking to what LvG tells them then it's LvG's fault for having such a dreadful approach.
I firmly suspect the latter, espcially when they have proved they can actually play attacking football when given the chance, they are doing as they are told, as they should do, and that falls on LvG.
Someone said the same thing after the Stoke match.
It's the quiet before the quiet.
I am afraid your right. I hope he will be fired, but I guess he won't.
Any truth to the rumor that normal post-match training was not held today?
I think the mood has changed since then, now becoming untenable
I think the only thing keeping LVG at United is the fact that the teams above us are shit too. We're only 10 pts behind and we are fecking rubbish. We can still make top 4 but we have limited games to make that happen. LVG will keep his job until the gap between us and 4th is more or less out of sight, not mathematically, but statistically speaking.
Yep and I'm still waiting for it to bloody rain!!!!
We are only 1 goal away from our worst goal scoring season (at this point) since we were relegated in 1974.
if that doesnt make the board sit up and take notice, i dont know what will.
if that doesnt make the board sit up and take notice, i dont know what will.
I find your argument just as silly.
Many of you have this belief that because the players are not performing that means they are not playing for LVG. This also gets countered by the 'they are ignoring him' if they do anything good. That is just plain and simple LVG bashing for the sake of it. Just as we are lucky if we win with one shot, but if the opponents do it, then they are not lucky.
LVG brought Adnan on yesterday to provide an attacking threat as he wanted to win the game where we had largely been second best. How can he be held accountable for the stupid mistake which led to the goal. Seriously, their player is on the corner flag with another United player marking him, so why the feck would you go and foul him. Why is that LVGs fault.
You can all blame LVG for many things, but just because you have a view does not mean that it is reality. There are many possible reasons. You may be right, I just do not agree with you all and I watch the same dross as you each week.
If the players are letting him down, not taking responsibility as it were, then he has the power to act on it by dropping them en masse and going into matches with the few that are playing for him plus the youths. You could see Mourinho trying it at Chelsea but the fact that LvG hasn't come down hard on the worst of the lot: Mata, Fellaini and Rooney spring to mind - it means that he is satisfied with the players' execution of his game plan!
James Ducker and Matt Dickinson from the Times say United have held talks with Mourinho to become manager in the summer but it could happen sooner.
Does anyone have the full article?
Does anyone have the full article?
I hate this silly little straw man that gets brought up every week by LVG apologists, without fail. "You can't blame LVG for [individual event that counted against us]". As if everything else that's been happening this season is all nice and perfect.
From his latest comments the press are suggesting that he might resign.
That's a positive sign at least.
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