If we dont care about statistics, I still think that we have never played well under LvG.
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Liverpool are also a poor team. We won because of a very good goal. We surrendered to Southampton the way we set up the team. We did not deserve anything and we got nothing.
Either way the results are going backwards from last season and the quality of football has been nothing short of diabolical.
The slump is staggering. I honestly think if everyone involved stepped up their game twice as much it would still be a disgrace how often we would be winning. If we were 5x better we still wouldn't be as good as we were about 7-8 years ago. The teams above us are shit aswell and we can't even catch them. It boggles the mind how far off the pace we would then be in Europe. The Football this manager is playing and he is getting so little out of the players, leaving us with a piss poor bench with some players not even worthy of a place in the Premier League yet alone United - is just so bad we are past anger and just depressed.
It's no wonder we are worse than last year. We sold:
Van Persie
Falcao
Di Maria
Hernandez
Replaced with 2 unproven kids in Memphis and Martial. Decided to pin our hopes on Rooney upfront when it was long established he is better in a deep position. Decided to waste a talent like Martial on the wing doing defensive duties. Sucked all confidence out of players like Memphis and Mata. Decided to put players like Blind who were good at left back and central midfield last year, into a centre back position opting not to buy one. Implemented an even more defensive system buying players like Schweinstiger to pass the ball slowly backwards and sidewards. Decided to keep players like Fellaini at the club with players like Hernandez shown the door. All this is done with a horrific smugness and delusion saying we are in the title race when he knows full well we won't win anywhere near enough games to win the league. It's got to the point where the board are the worst culprits for not putting an end to this cancer.
Woodward may be the worst thing to ever happen to us.
It's no wonder we are worse than last year. We sold:
Van Persie
Falcao
Di Maria
Hernandez
Replaced with 2 unproven kids in Memphis and Martial. Decided to pin our hopes on Rooney upfront when it was long established he is better in a deep position. Decided to waste a talent like Martial on the wing doing defensive duties. Sucked all confidence out of players like Memphis and Mata. Decided to put players like Blind who were good at left back and central midfield last year, into a centre back position opting not to buy one. Implemented an even more defensive system buying players like Schweinstiger to pass the ball slowly backwards and sidewards. Decided to keep players like Fellaini at the club with players like Hernandez shown the door. All this is done with a horrific smugness and delusion saying we are in the title race when he knows full well we won't win anywhere near enough games to win the league. It's got to the point where the board are the worst culprits for not putting an end to this cancer.
Woodward may be the worst thing to ever happen to us.
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Yes, they were lucky to win I'd say, but it was still heading to another boring, soulless 0-0 anyway, we aren't producing any sort of attacking quality and that is the biggest issue and because we don't score enough then we are open to getting picked off.
It's disappointingly quiet.
Yes but you also have to take into account Liverpool vs us created plenty of chances. Against Southampton we created essentially nothing.
LvG, our board and our players should be sacked. Who do they think they are. Piss poor football every fecking match. We the fans are the reason they get paid. I am so mad.
it's man utd and we were in 1st in sept playing shit. now we are falling further and have no shot at the title so now we look at 4th as a victory. the clubs form during the most recent "successful period" was horrible football v every team we played. que up the "they're a boggie team" or "anything from anfield" excuses. our form sheet is terrible football. we play possession football but rarely press to win the ball back , which barca do , and have zero cutting edge , hence the 0-0 1-0 0-1's. middlesboro under stevie mac. we've become the nil nils. FFS boro.
yes but we are sliding down the league and further and further away from our goal. we have lost 9 points on Leceister in those 19 games and 8 to Spurs, our two biggest rivals to 4th place. our title hopes have gone from -2 to -10 in those 10 games.
right now, we are playing like the 18th best team in the league and we have been playing like that since November. its a miracle we aint lower but we are only another 2 or 3 weeks away from slipping out of the top 8, if yesterday is anything to go by.
the current form table is a better reflection of our season as the results have caught up with the early season performances, which were shocking but only pure luck got us through.
The point is the only stat that is important is the one at the end of the season. So to constantly say we haven't won in 3, worst in last 5, 6, 10 or 12 games in the league is pretty pointless.
no because we were second best in both games. look at MOTM - d heyou and the new kid with the long name.
Ive never seen a team so bereft of attacking threat.
Homer Simpson would do a better job.
How many millions of United fans all over the world are waiting for the announcement that LvG is no longer the manager of United?
So we are the only one that has luck? Current form reflects only the current performance and usually reflects the state of the team, that is why it is not a good indicator of the season. It might be lost on some, but we do have an injury crisis and until yesterday, though not playing well, we were on a par with City performance for 2016. If we look at Spurs, maybe they are getting results, but they have come from behind in their last 3 games, so maybe a bit of luck or confidence is getting them over the line. Not saying we are dynamite, as yesterday proved we can be dismal, but there are not many teams performing well this year.
Just read the comments after every tweet United have posted today.
Gives you a fair idea.
I understand your point but there's no escaping its a downward trend we are seeing, with no sign of LVG steadying the ship. Very soon top 4 will be gone, which is a massive blow for our club.
Southampton had probably one chance in the first half (for Mane) and apart from the goal, did they really have any other chances in the second half. They played better than us, no argument, but I always find it interesting that when we were dominating and getting one goal from our few chances, it was we are lucky, but when someone does it against us, e.g. Norwich, Southampton it is never luck, it is always the best team won.
This is interesting Ulli Hoeness words roughly when they sacked Van Gaal back in 2011.
"Football should be enjoyable, but there has been nothing enjoyable about football at FC Bayern for a while now," said Honess.
"And to say that he had the players behind him was a myth...
"Problems were created which were totally unnecessary and which have ripped the club to pieces.
"Louis Van Gaal should consider what he has done."
"Football should be enjoyable, but there has been nothing enjoyable about football at FC Bayern for a while now," said Honess.
"And to say that he had the players behind him was a myth...
"Problems were created which were totally unnecessary and which have ripped the club to pieces.
"Louis Van Gaal should consider what he has done."
If you go back to the season that City won the league, we trailed by 8 points, within a short space of time, we were then 8 ahead, and then within 6 games City were back equal. All teams have shit periods. Top 4 is still open to the top 8 or 9 teams, and pretty sure that there will be changes throughout February.
We were anything but 'dominating' against Liverpool, it was a literal smash and grab, that did nothing but paper over some serious cracks. This run of pathetic performances goes back a long way and hasn't shown any signs of improving.
Just took a quick snap for you.
Well done SAM.
Yeah. One shot on target, one goal. I'm not brilliant at stats but I suspect the more you create the greater the chance of victory. Unsurprisingly we've not scored at home in the first half for 12 games.
i totally disagree with the banner s*ite and i was against the Moyes one, but i would contribute to a banner publically having a go at Woodward. the man is the biggest liability in the football club at the moment. excellent at commercial activity, shocking at the football side.
the way our academy has slipped in the last 3 years is reason enough to have a go at him.
There's just a lot of mumbling about him being disliked at OT, and by rightly so I mean I agree with that. He was always more of a twat than other twattish managers, but seems to have completely lost grip of himself and the club in the months before he was fired for wildly underperforming. Hiring him would be a bizarre choice in my opinion.
That tweet doesn't match the article. What was the decision?
Putting Januzaj at left back
so what are you saying, you have no problem with the fact that currently we are playing like a team that deserves to be relegated?
it wont happen, but if we have a similiar next 10 games, to the 10 just gone we will enter into May in the following position -
19 points off top and about 1-2 points ahead of 10th place. The likes of West Ham, Stoke, Liverpool, Southampton and Watford, will all pass us if we keep our form as the 3rd worst team in the league.
Januzaj on left-back I reckon. Instead of right-wing where he scored two for the reserves
Posted virtually the same thing last week, and this is exactly the same way LvG will leave us imo, ok Woodward may not come out and say the above, but I bet many within United will be thinking it.
If the next manager then goes and makes a success of it I really hope some people don't lay he credit for it t LvG's door, as a few on here are still adamant he is laying good foundations for the next manager, rather than the total balls up that is actually unfolding.
Ah okay, gotcha.
Louis van Gaal Manchester United future: Ed Woodward must act decisively on Van Gaal
COMMENT: If he goes, then United must act now, because transfer deals are set up months before the window even opens
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Fans head to the exits on Saturday as Louis van Gaal (bottom centre) watches United’s latest defeat PA
Ed Woodward, Manchester United’s executive vice-chairman, faces a decision over Louis van Gaal which will not only affect the club’s prospects of success this season but also Old Trafford’s hopes of once again becoming the heart of the action during the remaining years of this decade.
Does Woodward have a strategy for life with, and after, Van Gaal, or is he a man without a plan?
The answer to that remains a mystery but there has been little evidence in recent months of any clear direction being pursued by the man at the top.
After two and a half years of drift and expensive failure since Woodward succeeded David Gill as United’s most senior official, the inability of both Van Gaal and David Moyes to breathe new life into the team of champions left behind by Sir Alex Ferguson is as much down to him as his two managers.
Now he must decide whether to appoint a third, be it Jose Mourinho, Ryan Giggs or A N Other, with Van Gaal having lost the faith of the club’s supporters following Saturday’s dismal 1-0 defeat at home to Southampton.
Woodward stuck by Van Gaal when he could have dismissed the Dutchman during an awful December, which brought no victories and Champions League elimination. Perhaps there was an element of wanting to display the same resolve and backing for Van Gaal which Ferguson received from Martin Edwards during his own winter of discontent during the 1989-90 campaign.
But Ferguson was making progress, the youth system was beginning to bear fruit and he emerged from the storm.
Manchester United 0 Southampton 1 player ratings
Van Gaal, in contrast, walked into one last month and shows no sign of being able to escape it.
His football is grim. A run of no first-half goals for United at Old Trafford dating back to September says everything about the risk-averse, stultifying philosophy being imposed on the club’s players.
Woodward has insisted that Van Gaal will remain at the helm until his contract expires in June 2017, but that in itself is a naïve position to take ahead of a pivotal summer for the club.
If United have a plan and are taking a strategic view of the summer transfer market, they will realise that it should be one dominated by themselves and Manchester City.
Real Madrid are out of the game, having been issued with a 12-month transfer ban by Fifa, while Barcelona’s financial problems mean they are more likely to sell than buy. Bayern Munich cannot compete with United or City in terms of transfer fees, while Arsenal will not go head-to-head with either on fees or wages. Chelsea are unlikely to be able to offer Champions League football, so only Paris Saint-Germain can legitimately compete with Manchester’s big two.
But while City are almost certainly going to be able to sell themselves to prospective new signings by dangling the carrot of a three-year magical mystery tour with Pep Guardiola, what is United’s pitch? If Van Gaal stays, that pitch will be to work for a manager who will be gone in 12 months, to be replaced by... well, that is anyone’s guess.
If he goes, then United must act now, because transfer deals are set up months before the window even opens.
Five more months of drift over the manager and United will see transfer targets move elsewhere, so whatever Woodward does now with Van Gaal will have implications for the summer and beyond.
City could secure the best manager and best players while United and Woodward decide what to do and that would set the club back even further.
If Mourinho is ready and willing to move to Old Trafford, Woodward can at least devise his own three-year plan with the Portuguese.
With Van Gaal, uncertainty clouds everything and United have already spent too long fumbling around in the fog.
Then didn't he claim that this was him being offensive and trying to get a goal back? Just insults the supporters intelligence. I actually think the supporters know more about the abilities of our players than him. 18 months and the guy hasn't a clue.
I'm guessing Januzaj to left back. But might not be, not sure.
Jeez, this even beats the pointless Mitten articles.
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