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pocco said:
Then didn't he claim that this was him being offensive and trying to get a goal back? Just insults the supporters intelligence. I actually think the supporters know more about the abilities of our players than him. 18 months and the guy hasn't a clue.
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I'm so fed up with LVG I'm up for some drastic action, if someone organizes the plane banner, I'll gladly chip in.
 
With regards to Woodward, I reckon that Ogden is right and he's trying to have his Martin Edwards moment in sticking with Van Gaal. This is a guy that wants to be hailed as a genius, this was widely reported when he took control, where it was said that he wanted to be talked about around Europe for the calibre of players he could sign. I think, ultimately, Woodward thinks Van Gaal will fluke a trophy and he probably pictures people talking about him as being the only guy that stood by him and saw something.

Only problem is, when LVG fails, he's going to look like an utter moron for not doing what everybody else said he needs to do - sack Van Gaal.
 
 
pocco said:
Then didn't he claim that this was him being offensive and trying to get a goal back? Just insults the supporters intelligence. I actually think the supporters know more about the abilities of our players than him. 18 months and the guy hasn't a clue.
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like when he said they left early because of traffic. What an idiot.
 
pocco said:
With regards to Woodward, I reckon that Ogden is right and he's trying to have his Martin Edwards moment in sticking with Van Gaal. This is a guy that wants to be hailed as a genius, this was widely reported when he took control, where it was said that he wanted to be talked about around Europe for the calibre of players he could sign. I think, ultimately, Woodward thinks Van Gaal will fluke a trophy and he probably pictures people talking about him as being the only guy that stood by him and saw something.

Only problem is, when LVG fails, he's going to look like an utter moron for not doing what everybody else said he needs to do - sack Van Gaal.
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He should be sacked along with Van Gaal.
 
pocco said:
With regards to Woodward, I reckon that Ogden is right and he's trying to have his Martin Edwards moment in sticking with Van Gaal. This is a guy that wants to be hailed as a genius, this was widely reported when he took control, where it was said that he wanted to be talked about around Europe for the calibre of players he could sign. I think, ultimately, Woodward thinks Van Gaal will fluke a trophy and he probably pictures people talking about him as being the only guy that stood by him and saw something.

Only problem is, when LVG fails, he's going to look like an utter moron for not doing what everybody else said he needs to do - sack Van Gaal.
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Clearly his ego is the problem here.
 
Raees said:
What is wrong with you guys? change your vote now!
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:lol: I can't see them doing anything other than giving Giggs the job if they sack Van Gaal and think that would be even worse long term.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
Southampton had probably one chance in the first half (for Mane) and apart from the goal, did they really have any other chances in the second half. They played better than us, no argument, but I always find it interesting that when we were dominating and getting one goal from our few chances, it was we are lucky, but when someone does it against us, e.g. Norwich, Southampton it is never luck, it is always the best team won.
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I really like your posts, but what the hell are you trying to defend with all your arguments? You are comparing United playing at home to Southampton and Norwich?
 
Ixion said:
:lol: I can't see them doing anything other than giving Giggs the job if they sack Van Gaal and think that would be even worse long term.
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long term until may , they can't be thinking full time mge into 2016-17
 
pocco said:
With regards to Woodward, I reckon that Ogden is right and he's trying to have his Martin Edwards moment in sticking with Van Gaal. This is a guy that wants to be hailed as a genius, this was widely reported when he took control, where it was said that he wanted to be talked about around Europe for the calibre of players he could sign. I think, ultimately, Woodward thinks Van Gaal will fluke a trophy and he probably pictures people talking about him as being the only guy that stood by him and saw something.

Only problem is, when LVG fails, he's going to look like an utter moron for not doing what everybody else said he needs to do - sack Van Gaal.
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I agree. Woodward does seem far to occupied with how he is viewed generally. His constant briefings when he usually fecks up attest to that.

Sadly this will end one way. And by then it will be too late.

Woodward has been in the job for three years now, but I would really struggle to give him a pass for this period. He's a money man (a very good one at that), but giving him power of the football side seems to backfiring spectacularly.

You can go back to the numerous mistakes.
- the Fellaini buyout saga
- The Fabregas chase, and those cringeworthy briefs.
- the Moyes saga and allow the season descend to that point.
- this Van Gaal debacle.

Yes, Woodward isnt the only decision maker, but he's the leader, and the praise and criticism comes with the territory.

I would consider limiting some of his role, and restructuring his position. I dont trust him to have the skills to get us back to the top. The challenge seems too big for him.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
If you go back to the season that City won the league, we trailed by 8 points, within a short space of time, we were then 8 ahead, and then within 6 games City were back equal. All teams have shit periods. Top 4 is still open to the top 8 or 9 teams, and pretty sure that there will be changes throughout February.
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Unfortunately my friend this isn't anywhere near the same team as then, we dont look like scoring in open play and haven't done for most of the season. If its the season I think you are referring to then didnt we beat Arsenal 8-2 in that season, at least that team(although not the most entertaining) knew how to play with penetration rather than this dull sideways, backwards, sideways stuff we are seeing now. Its got beyond a bad spell, he has got to go, he is not the right guy for our club and its as obvious as it can be.
 
I am so tired of LvG. I cant see or hear him talk any more without being mad.

I always thought the Glazers were great business people, but now Im not so sure. Results will eventually conflict our revenue.
 
smallred said:
so what are you saying, you have no problem with the fact that currently we are playing like a team that deserves to be relegated?

it wont happen, but if we have a similiar next 10 games, to the 10 just gone we will enter into May in the following position -

19 points off top and about 1-2 points ahead of 10th place. The likes of West Ham, Stoke, Liverpool, Southampton and Watford, will all pass us if we keep our form as the 3rd worst team in the league.
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I am not saying that at all. I am like every one else and not happy with United's performances. What I am saying is the real anti-LVG guys are inconsistent in their comments. Southampton, Norwich and a few others have performed just like United in a number of matches where United have knicked a goal. The anti-LVG guys give it large and the comment is always we were shit and lucky. However, if the opposition do a United, they are never lucky. As for Liverpool, they were very much performing like United, they did absolutely sweet FA against a piss poor United, but apparently that was a very dominating and undeserved loss for them. No consistency at all. As for all these teams that are going to pass us, they must be performing absolutely shite now then if we are still above them and we have such a poor performance for such a long time. Or is it United are just lucky again.
 
Sigma said:
He will be gone by this time tomorrow.
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ghagua said:
I really like your posts, but what the hell are you trying to defend with all your arguments? You are comparing United playing at home to Southampton and Norwich?
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Not at all, just asking people to judge other teams as they do United. If we have the 3rd worse performance record in the league after 'n'games, but are 5th in the league, maybe the other teams are also a bit crap. Not defending anything, just pointing out inconsistencies in arguments. Just look at the comments post Chelsea, and now they turn over Arsenal. So are we going to get a shit load of comments about that.
 
RedMilo said:
Unfortunately my friend this isn't anywhere near the same team as then, we dont look like scoring in open play and haven't done for most of the season. If its the season I think you are referring to then didnt we beat Arsenal 8-2 in that season, at least that team(although not the most entertaining) knew how to play with penetration rather than this dull sideways, backwards, sideways stuff we are seeing now. Its got beyond a bad spell, he has got to go, he is not the right guy for our club and its as obvious as it can be.
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I accept that it is not the same team, not even the same standard of players or manager. The point was that a 5 point lead at this stage of the season (which is only just over 50% gone) is not unobtainable. Sure, we have to improve significantly and our injuries have to stop, but even Spurs, Stoke, Liverpool and WHU have gained at least 5 points over United since November. I agree with the style of play, I am just questioning the automatic we have lost top 4. I wont accept that until it is not mathematically achievable which I don't expect to happen.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I will be amazed if LvG is still in charge for our match against Stoke.
Lost complete faith in him after the Sheff Utd match although had supported him till then.
The board can now only make one decision which I'm sure they will.
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When though? Thought it would have happened last night or today.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
I am not saying that at all. I am like every one else and not happy with United's performances. What I am saying is the real anti-LVG guys are inconsistent in their comments. Southampton, Norwich and a few others have performed just like United in a number of matches where United have knicked a goal. The anti-LVG guys give it large and the comment is always we were shit and lucky. However, if the opposition do a United, they are never lucky. As for Liverpool, they were very much performing like United, they did absolutely sweet FA against a piss poor United, but apparently that was a very dominating and undeserved loss for them. No consistency at all. As for all these teams that are going to pass us, they must be performing absolutely shite now then if we are still above them and we have such a poor performance for such a long time. Or is it United are just lucky again.
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I do think the biggest issue people have is the style, if we were fifth and had put in a few really entertaining performances along the way then maybe people would be more understanding, we just seem to drag our opposition down to our playing style, and like Liverpool proved at the weekend when they are free of it they can entertain, ok they are still pretty crap but they at least put on a show sometimes, if we'd have played Norwich away then it'd have likely mirrored the our Southampton game rather what Liverpool played.

LvG only seems to change his approach when the pressure is cranked right up on him, Chelsea H, and Newcastle A, are the best examples, and I expect the same against Derby on Friday.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
I accept that it is not the same team, not even the same standard of players or manager. The point was that a 5 point lead at this stage of the season (which is only just over 50% gone) is not unobtainable. Sure, we have to improve significantly and our injuries have to stop, but even Spurs, Stoke, Liverpool and WHU have gained at least 5 points over United since November. I agree with the style of play, I am just questioning the automatic we have lost top 4. I wont accept that until it is not mathematically achievable which I don't expect to happen.
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well it's actually close to 61% of the games have gone. My question is do you see a ray of light/a winning run under Van Gaal's system? For starters we have NO fullbacks left of the quality required to go on a winning run or to defend our customary 0-0, no confidence, no cohesion and zero belief.

Wining is a habit we sadly don't seem to be possessing. We need to gain 5 points on Spurs who are currently on +15 GD. They have the momentum and an easier (8) fixture coming up on paper at least. Plus we have to worry about Liverpool now who are sitting 3 points behind after yesterday's results.
 
It's come to that point for me where I'm losing the plot with the board. It all comes down to what I feel is important, and for some of the big wigs at United only money matters. The club can have as many regional sponsors for beer or sandals as it wants but that won't make watching this shite any better. If they could get away with it, some of the money men at the club would shut the whole organisation down and just become a clothing manufacturer like Nike if it meant the profits still rolled in. We're not a club to these people, we're a brand.

When Woody was rolled out and said in an interview that we were only looking to buy the best players, does anyone still believe that he said it to make us - the United supporters - feel better? Nope; it was done because it was simple PR. "We're still relevant. We're still important. Buy our merchandise". It's the same shite that you get with any other company. "Please hold the line, your call is important to us. Buy our merchandise." When players come out and say they've joined "the biggest club in the world" how much are you betting that they've been taken into a room beforehand by someone from the marketing department and given a script with some key words to include in their comments? Marketing, marketing, marketing. We're the best. Biggest club in the world. We're still relevant. Global brand.... Those are the important things now.

But legacy? History? Pride in what football stands for? Newton Heath? Busby Babes? Sir Alex? You can't win anything with kids? The treble? Two neighbours walking down the road together to go to the Derby, one in blue and the other in red? Creating a common love between people who are hundreds of miles away from one another? Community? Raw passion? Feck all that, this is modern football now. So watch the "game" that distracts the business from the more important things it wants to do, and enjoy the hollow promises, the branding, press releases and adverts. And, remember; don't forget to buy our merchandise on the way out.
 
Sigma said:
He will be gone by this time tomorrow.
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Absolutely no chance.

Norwich was the time to go, as it was still a massive shock for us to lose at home to mid/lower tablers. (Whereas under Moyes it wasn't)

For everything that went against Van Gaal, he did have a great home record for us. The most worrying thing with Southampton, after the 1 shot on target, was the late defeat barely felt anyworse. It was just numb.

If he left now, you'd ask why the hell did we just waste the last few weeks!
 
Isn't he in Holland celebrating his daughters birthday? Don't think the club would sack him tomorrow.
 
Triple.Threat said:
well it's actually close to 61% of the games have gone. My question is do you see a ray of light/a winning run under Van Gaal's system? For starters we have NO fullbacks left of the quality required to go on a winning run or to defend our customary 0-0, no confidence, no cohesion and zero belief.

Wining is a habit we sadly don't seem to be possessing. We need to gain 5 points on Spurs who are currently on +15 GD. They have the momentum and an easier (8) fixture coming up on paper at least. Plus we have to worry about Liverpool now who are sitting 3 points behind after yesterday's results.
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We have absolutely no chance of having a run if the players do not put in the effort or play like yesterday. Sure we can all blame LVG, but the players need to take responsibility as well. IMO yesterday was more about the players than the manager.

I am pretty sure that most on here guessed the first 11 for the Southampton match. With the injuries, there is very little scope for player rotation. It is really a case of is LVG going to give Depay, Mata, Adnan the opportunity to get on the park. As far as formation is concerned the 3 at the back may have surprised us all, but it is not as though our back 3 weren't coping, it was more a case of our midfield was totally ineffective and got bossed by Classie and Wanyama. Add to that Rooney having a meh day did not help. It is almost as though he believed the press that he was back and therefore did not have to contribute.

Just because a player is put in an unusual position does not mean his brain stops working and technical ability disappears. The player may get caught out of position, but it should not affect their ability to control a ball, pass a ball or move. Yet that is what happened against Southampton, very disappointing.

I still feel it is our own hands. United beat Spurs (we usually do) and it is two points. So I am optimistic. I think higher than 4th is going to be hard, unless Leicester or Arsenal really screw up. I still expect City to win the league, though I did not think that in November.

I do not believe a change of manager will improve our chances. Others do, but I do not.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
I am not saying that at all. I am like every one else and not happy with United's performances. What I am saying is the real anti-LVG guys are inconsistent in their comments. Southampton, Norwich and a few others have performed just like United in a number of matches where United have knicked a goal. The anti-LVG guys give it large and the comment is always we were shit and lucky. However, if the opposition do a United, they are never lucky. As for Liverpool, they were very much performing like United, they did absolutely sweet FA against a piss poor United, but apparently that was a very dominating and undeserved loss for them. No consistency at all. As for all these teams that are going to pass us, they must be performing absolutely shite now then if we are still above them and we have such a poor performance for such a long time. Or is it United are just lucky again.
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i hate to break it to you, but we are Manchester United, we are not Liverpool, and we certainly are not Norwich and Southampton. we are playing like a team who is currently joint 17th in the form table since November.

smaller teams are able to take points off us at alarming ease and in several of those games, we were second best but managed a 0-0 draw for example.

the standards drop of some of our fans is as alarming as the clubs in my opinion, as if the ambition was matched by everybody, we'd be in much better shape. it seems like you only want to defend LVG, because you dont want other fans to be proven right about him, as opposed to wanting what is best for this club.

100% of United fans should want him gone.
 
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