LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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This is horrible. Even after victory over Liverpool last week, there was still no hope or belief that it would be a launchpad, or even a temporary confidence boost to the players. And so it came to pass yesterday and now we're just throwing games away until the board finally accepts the inevitable. People higher up the chain have to be made to pay for this incompetence with their jobs along with LVG. The club is on its knees.
With every bad result, you think the silver lining will be that the club wakes up, yet here we are with LVG in line to lead us through another 90 minutes of soul-destroying shit.
With every bad result, you think the silver lining will be that the club wakes up, yet here we are with LVG in line to lead us through another 90 minutes of soul-destroying shit.
Quotes from the interview:
David Gill, the former Manchester United chief executive who remains a director at the club, has admitted the current season under Louis van Gaal is one of underachievement given the manager’s £250m-plus investment in the squad.
United lost 1-0 to Southampton on Saturday at Old Trafford in what was the latest dismal performance from Van Gaal’s team. It has again raised questions regarding the Dutchman’s position.
While Gill would not be drawn on Van Gaal’s long-term future, he did admit United’s fifth place is not good enough. “Clearly we all hope the results will be better – everyone’s disappointed, I feel as much as non-executive director as a fan,” Gill told the BBC. “[This is] undoubtedly a season of underachievement. I think everyone would agree with that given the investment that was made. Everyone there is working extremely hard to turn that round. It’s not easy.”
Asked about the pedestrian style of play, Gill said: “I don’t want to talk about quality [of football] – but I’m not going to sit here and say it’s that attractive. For me, what we did in the past was great – you’ve got to have the players to do that. The Ryan Giggs running down the wing, [David] Beckham etc, [Paul] Scholes. Manchester United going back to the 50s with Matt Busby, when I started supporting them, with George Best, they played in a certain way. I’m sure we want to do that. We want attacking football I’m sure that will be a key part going forward.”
Since becoming manager in summer 2014 Van Gaal has brought in 13 major new players at a cost of more than £250m. When contacted by the Guardian, United would not be drawn regarding Van Gaal’s future.
(Guardian)
David Gill, the former Manchester United chief executive who remains a director at the club, has admitted the current season under Louis van Gaal is one of underachievement given the manager’s £250m-plus investment in the squad.
United lost 1-0 to Southampton on Saturday at Old Trafford in what was the latest dismal performance from Van Gaal’s team. It has again raised questions regarding the Dutchman’s position.
While Gill would not be drawn on Van Gaal’s long-term future, he did admit United’s fifth place is not good enough. “Clearly we all hope the results will be better – everyone’s disappointed, I feel as much as non-executive director as a fan,” Gill told the BBC. “[This is] undoubtedly a season of underachievement. I think everyone would agree with that given the investment that was made. Everyone there is working extremely hard to turn that round. It’s not easy.”
Asked about the pedestrian style of play, Gill said: “I don’t want to talk about quality [of football] – but I’m not going to sit here and say it’s that attractive. For me, what we did in the past was great – you’ve got to have the players to do that. The Ryan Giggs running down the wing, [David] Beckham etc, [Paul] Scholes. Manchester United going back to the 50s with Matt Busby, when I started supporting them, with George Best, they played in a certain way. I’m sure we want to do that. We want attacking football I’m sure that will be a key part going forward.”
Since becoming manager in summer 2014 Van Gaal has brought in 13 major new players at a cost of more than £250m. When contacted by the Guardian, United would not be drawn regarding Van Gaal’s future.
(Guardian)
He was.
As usual, after the game I became optimistic he'd be gone very soon but after waking up I realise he's still here and no closer to being out the door than he was on Friday.
If we had no top managers available I'd understand the hesitation but there are so it is absolutely insane we haven't acted.
If we had no top managers available I'd understand the hesitation but there are so it is absolutely insane we haven't acted.
Gill was pro-Mourinho.
The Glazers and Woodward need to meet to see if there's been any effect on shirt sales. That'll be the deciding factor in whether Van Gaal stays or goes.
Very astute and carefully worded interview where he essentially revealed nothing!
He had far more influence than he is claiming but revealed nothing as one would expect.
The only thing of interest to me was the bit about Giggs, ie: there is a faction of the powerbase at United that we should not employ Giggs as next manager.
I don't know why I was kidding myself, but I expected to wake up today to a bit of talk of LVG getting sacked. Our club is so deluded and/or spineless
Under Abramovich he would have gone before xmas.
Imagine if he said that a couple of months ago, the Caf faithful would've said he had an agenda.
I don't know whats worse that stat or the fact I was surprised we featured as high as 85. I genuinely cannot recall us making 35 attempts on goal... have we even played 35 games this season?
Is what I'm saying.
I've read a few people say they're numb to it all now so no longer get angry, but yesterday was the first time I've got angry about football for a good while.
This was a home game against 10th placed Southampton, 7 points off the top after a win at anfield, and he inexplicably plays a 3-5-2 which actually turned out to be a 7-2-1. NOTHING happened for 90 minutes. Nothing. I think I only remember having controlled possession in their half about four times. We were back to the shite when he first arrived where we actually struggle to transition the ball from defence into midfield Which isn't surprising when we have 3cbs AND Fellaini and Schneiderlin sitting. It was worse than anything so far. And I feel like I'm saying this every week. ONE shot on target, which was Blind from 40 yards.
I don't know how he is still here, but more than that I still don't know why he was hired. I was one of the few who said he didn't tick any of the boxes required to manage us. We needed a major rebuild, both squad wise and as a football club. He has never been known for his skills in the transfer market, and as a club our scouting system under Ferguson was said to be out of date. It's no coincidence that we've wasted money replacing players with inferior ones. Darmian is not better than Rafael, Rojo is not better than Evans, Depay is not currently better than Welbeck, he's actually behind Lingard who is nowhere near Welbeck. And I still don't know what Herrera does that makes him so much better than Cleverley.
Of the players we have signed since Ferguson left, I would only sign Martial, Shaw, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin again. We have managed to replace a title winning squad with a fairly average collection of players, and spent 200+ million doing so.
And then there's the philosophy, the main reason why his appointment was heralded so much on here. Ferguson's style of winning and scoring goals wasn't enough, we needed something different because the greatest side in history embarrassed our midfield of Carrick and Giggs that one time. The "Manchester United way" of playing with directness, tempo and pace doesn't work anymore (even though Leicester are top of the table and the much loved Klopp plays this way too). We even had a thread about LVG being a success even if he's a failure, and he has been a colossal failure, because all our players stand close together at goal kicks.
So what is the groundbreaking philosophy? We keep the ball at all costs to stop the opposition scoring, and control the game. That's it. Which is why those saying Mourinho, who I do have major concerns about, would be the same are wrong but correct at the same time. Mourinho sees having the ball as a danger. The philosophies are completely different, yet both are steeped in cowardness and an obsession on control.
All in all I have no idea where we are going as a club, or what we're trying to achieve. We chase Bale and Muller whilst Tottenham sign Delle Ali, a player who destroyed us at MK Dons in the 5-0 thrashing last season. Our net spend in the summer was 30m, how did we go into the season with the current (non) attacking options? Why is it Bale, Muller or nobody? How is our extensive scouting network only naming targets a 10 year old playing Fifa could name? we continually beat on about being the richest and biggest, yet here we are drastically needing quality and we have no idea who to buy.
I don't know who the next manager should be, whether we should hire a director of football or what style of play we should adopt. That's fine though, it isn't my job to. The troubling part is I don't think the people running the club do either. We're an absolute mess right now, and further behind than when Moyes left.
This was a home game against 10th placed Southampton, 7 points off the top after a win at anfield, and he inexplicably plays a 3-5-2 which actually turned out to be a 7-2-1. NOTHING happened for 90 minutes. Nothing. I think I only remember having controlled possession in their half about four times. We were back to the shite when he first arrived where we actually struggle to transition the ball from defence into midfield Which isn't surprising when we have 3cbs AND Fellaini and Schneiderlin sitting. It was worse than anything so far. And I feel like I'm saying this every week. ONE shot on target, which was Blind from 40 yards.
I don't know how he is still here, but more than that I still don't know why he was hired. I was one of the few who said he didn't tick any of the boxes required to manage us. We needed a major rebuild, both squad wise and as a football club. He has never been known for his skills in the transfer market, and as a club our scouting system under Ferguson was said to be out of date. It's no coincidence that we've wasted money replacing players with inferior ones. Darmian is not better than Rafael, Rojo is not better than Evans, Depay is not currently better than Welbeck, he's actually behind Lingard who is nowhere near Welbeck. And I still don't know what Herrera does that makes him so much better than Cleverley.
Of the players we have signed since Ferguson left, I would only sign Martial, Shaw, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin again. We have managed to replace a title winning squad with a fairly average collection of players, and spent 200+ million doing so.
And then there's the philosophy, the main reason why his appointment was heralded so much on here. Ferguson's style of winning and scoring goals wasn't enough, we needed something different because the greatest side in history embarrassed our midfield of Carrick and Giggs that one time. The "Manchester United way" of playing with directness, tempo and pace doesn't work anymore (even though Leicester are top of the table and the much loved Klopp plays this way too). We even had a thread about LVG being a success even if he's a failure, and he has been a colossal failure, because all our players stand close together at goal kicks.
So what is the groundbreaking philosophy? We keep the ball at all costs to stop the opposition scoring, and control the game. That's it. Which is why those saying Mourinho, who I do have major concerns about, would be the same are wrong but correct at the same time. Mourinho sees having the ball as a danger. The philosophies are completely different, yet both are steeped in cowardness and an obsession on control.
All in all I have no idea where we are going as a club, or what we're trying to achieve. We chase Bale and Muller whilst Tottenham sign Delle Ali, a player who destroyed us at MK Dons in the 5-0 thrashing last season. Our net spend in the summer was 30m, how did we go into the season with the current (non) attacking options? Why is it Bale, Muller or nobody? How is our extensive scouting network only naming targets a 10 year old playing Fifa could name? we continually beat on about being the richest and biggest, yet here we are drastically needing quality and we have no idea who to buy.
I don't know who the next manager should be, whether we should hire a director of football or what style of play we should adopt. That's fine though, it isn't my job to. The troubling part is I don't think the people running the club do either. We're an absolute mess right now, and further behind than when Moyes left.
So would Fergie (at several points)...
Gill is extremely impressive. A class act. It's a real shame he no longer has a significantly influential role at the club.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Managed to also break the world record in the number of times one can say 'you knoow' in 15 minutes.
A massive protest is needed to get this clown out of the club.
I don't know if it's already been pointed out to you mate but you were quoted in the i newspaper yesterday! In the fan matrix bit, a post you made about Pep choosing between United and City. So congrats on the mini fame.
Many of us DO have an agenda. That is to great rid of Lucky Louis and his fecking shite football and I make no bones about that. Nothing wrong with an agenda, in fact it hints at a plan.
I thought there would at least be some murmuring in the media/social media that he'd be close to getting sacked. Appears to be pretty quiet though. I'd take Giggs as interim at this point, and I have been dead against Giggs ever since the stories emerged about him possibly taking over.
I've wanted him gone since last season, I've not pretended otherwise either. My point was that anyone having a pop at LVG and out brand of football, were hammered on here. Not anymore though.
My point is that there's nothing wrong with having "an agenda".
Ha! Do you have a link?
LvG will finish his three year contract and maybe asked to extend if he somehow stumbles l into a top four spot these this and next season.
One thing I'll say is that it's nice that we had a CEO who genuinely loved the club back. It's not a necessity at all, and Woodward might do a better job than him, but having people who understand football on board is a positive thing.
I thought I would calm down after a good night's sleep, but I'm actually even angrier - especially as nothing suggest we're about to kick that fraud out of the club.
Someone suggested to stop watching United. I would rather suggest that United stop watching matches not involving United as 99% of them feel like "oh, is that how real fotball is being played".
Someone suggested to stop watching United. I would rather suggest that United stop watching matches not involving United as 99% of them feel like "oh, is that how real fotball is being played".
Every time I come into the United forum, I expect to see an 'LvG sacked' thread. It's unbelievable that it hasn't happened yet.
No chance. Old Trafford will be empty.
Have there been any rumours at all about him going? I'm a bit confused...why is he still the manager?
I never expect it. Only when top 4 is out of our reach will I expect it.
So reading your post, the essence is that we are absolutely being run into the ground and that things can only get worse. I completely agree with everything but the problem is that the owners really need to lead the process from the top down for the ship to be righted. We are not seeing that because the Glazers are not like Mansour or Abromovich. They only care about the bottom line and the valuation of the club. They will sell the club at a point in time as it has always been an investment, nothing else. You only have to look at the way they run their NFL franchise.
Good post
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I keep hoping I'll come on here and see be's been sacked. I'd take Giggs over him at this point, he looks completely done. He doesn't know how to fix it and he's not able to adapt, it'd be sad if it wasn't fecking our club over in the process. Watching Leicester flying high at the top of the table with average/poor players while we struggle with hundreds of millions worth of tepid dross is heartbreaking, and honestly feels worse than anything I felt under Moyes.
Get. Rid.
Get. Rid.
Even if he we went on an unbeaten run between now and the end of the season and finished 3rd/4th I'd still want him gone for the simple fact that we'd be missing out on Guardiola and Mourinho.
If we miss out on both of those managers to Chelsea and City, the club can forget about any success in the near future.
If we miss out on both of those managers to Chelsea and City, the club can forget about any success in the near future.
I think Woodward is as much as a problem as LVG is at this point. Problem is, Woodward is still making money for the glazers and isn't going anywhere.
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