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K2K said:
The league is in a very poor state indeed.

But we are fairly big contributors to that in the sense that we set such a high bar that winning the league usually meant 87 plus points. We havent gotten close to 80 since Sir Alex left, and we probably wont this season either.
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My main gripe with Van Gaal is he has not even been able to set the pace in an average league. Even now we are just seven points off the top and could still win it, if we get ourselves sorted and really go for it.

After 2004/05, when Mourinho's Chelsea recorded 95 points, Sir Alex explicitly targeted 90 points at the start of every season.

You are totally correct that the league this year is terrible, and the fact nobody looks like they will get close to 90 points shows that. The 2012/13 United team, which pundits like to claim was weak, would walk the title this year.

The fact English teams, ourselves included, have struggled in European competition shows how much weaker the league has become. On the last day of the Champions League group stages, three English teams were on the verge of exit. A few years ago that would have been inconceivable. English teams have also struggled in the Europa league. While many like to claim its because they do not care, just look at how West Ham performed in the Europa League. West Ham are just two points behind us, in sixth place, and got knocked out of the Europa league by Astra Giurgiu! Amazing how Spain, which many caftards will tell you is a weak league, dominates the Champions League and the Europa League...

In this league, with the backing he has had, Van Gaal should be challenging for the title. That should be the minimum expectation.
 
Ijazz17 said:
He is known to be a man of Integrity and clearly he feels he is not good enough to manage United or it is indeed having an affect on his family's life.
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I read the other day how Guardiola sometimes changes formations three times in a match & his players swiftly respond to the instructions; can anyone imagine our players coping with similar demands? No wonder LVG often seems bewildered or exasperated, as he's used to coaching more intelligent/intellectually curious footballers. Sure, van Gaal has, arguably, failed here but it's not 100% his fault seeing as players not wanting to put the mental work in seems to be a tradition at United - everything from the stories about players complaining about bloody chips (under Moyes) to players being unhappy about 'strictness', training regimes and 'confusing' tactics suggests a complacency and a parochial attitude towards hard work both physical and mental...and so, yet another manager makes way while the players remain. I want Louis to go so this isn't a biased opinion, only what I suspect is the truth; our players are either not good enough, not quick enough to learn, or they want no challenges to their complacency even if this means United fall away.
 
SteveJ said:
I read the other day how Guardiola sometimes changes formations three times in a match & his players swiftly respond to the instructions; can anyone imagine our players coping with similar demands? No wonder LVG often seems bewildered or exasperated, as he's used to coaching more intelligent/intellectually curious footballers. Sure, van Gaal has, arguably, failed here but it's not 100% his fault seeing as players not wanting to put the mental work in seems to be a tradition at United - everything from the stories about players complaining about bloody chips (under Moyes) to players being unhappy about 'strictness', training regimes and 'confusing' tactics suggests a complacency and a parochial attitude towards hard work both physical and mental...and so, yet another manager makes way while the players remain. I want Louis to go so this isn't a biased opinion, only what I suspect is the truth; our players are either not good enough, not quick enough to learn, or they want no challenges to their complacency even if this means United fall away.
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It does often feel that way and Ive had the same thought RE Guardiola, that if this lot cant execute Van Gaal's "philosophy" what is to say they will do any better with Guardiola's? But I cant imagine why that would be. If we had a squad of philistine Brits who had no understanding of sophisticated Continental tactics it would be understandable, but most of our squad have played abroad. Many of the most underwhelming players this year will have been exposed to these kinds of demands before. It doesnt make sense to me.
 
#07 said:
My main gripe with Van Gaal is he has not even been able to set the pace in an average league. Even now we are just seven points off the top and could still win it, if we get ourselves sorted and really go for it.

After 2004/05, when Mourinho's Chelsea recorded 95 points, Sir Alex explicitly targeted 90 points at the start of every season.

You are totally correct that the league this year is terrible, and the fact nobody looks like they will get close to 90 points shows that. The 2012/13 United team, which pundits like to claim was weak, would walk the title this year.

The fact English teams, ourselves included, have struggled in European competition shows how much weaker the league has become. On the last day of the Champions League group stages, three English teams were on the verge of exit. A few years ago that would have been inconceivable. English teams have also struggled in the Europa league. While many like to claim its because they do not care, just look at how West Ham performed in the Europa League. West Ham are just two points behind us, in sixth place, and got knocked out of the Europa league by Astra Giurgiu! Amazing how Spain, which many caftards will tell you is a weak league, dominates the Champions League and the Europa League...

In this league, with the backing he has had, Van Gaal should be challenging for the title. That should be the minimum expectation.
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I'd have been happy with a 3rd place finish this season, as I really don't think we have a squad that can win a title, even in the state that the league is in. Forget SAF a minute and think about how long Arsenal have gone without truly challenging, never mind winning the thing. Look at how long it took City to finally mount their first challenge and win it since they were taken over. I think a lot of United fans are still stuck in a fantasy land regarding what is actually required to win a title. The truth is, rather LVG is here or not, our keeper is currently our best player and you couldn't name a single superstar out on the pitch besides Rooney and Bastian, who are both on the major decline. Arsenal and City have Sanchez, Silva, Aguero, Ozil among others bringing home the goods. Who do we have that currently comes close to any of those players?
 
Adebesi said:
It does often feel that way and Ive had the same thought RE Guardiola, that if this lot cant execute Van Gaal's "philosophy" what is to say they will do any better with Guardiola's? But I cant imagine why that would be. If we had a squad of philistine Brits who had no understanding of sophisticated Continental tactics it would be understandable, but most of our squad have played abroad. Many of the most underwhelming players this year will have been exposed to these kinds of demands before. It doesnt make sense to me.
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Yeah. I've faith, though, that the younger players will eventually come through, and have a more progressive attitude.
 
SteveW said:
A flukey result here and there changes nothing. We've been awful for a while now. He's even given up talking about the need to instill his philosophy. It's done. There are no new ideas. This is as good as its going to get without spending a fortune on better players to somehow make it work.

The style of play doesn't work, the vast majority of players have regressed under him, he's made stupid decisions regarding the playing staff and there's not an ounce of enjoyment in the football. I don't see any reason why a good player would chose to join this mess while he's in charge. He needs to be moved on as soon as the board can find a decent replacement.

If they are not working on it I would feel very concerned about our future. Were going the way of Liverpool and Milan at the moment.
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Spot on...just to add...

Man Utd have 37 points from their opening 22 PL gamesthis season, the same as after 22 games in 2013/14 under David Moyes.

LVG has had twice as long in charge, spent £250m and the football is probably worse to watch.

That's the reality.
 
#07 said:
My main gripe with Van Gaal is he has not even been able to set the pace in an average league. Even now we are just seven points off the top and could still win it, if we get ourselves sorted and really go for it.

After 2004/05, when Mourinho's Chelsea recorded 95 points, Sir Alex explicitly targeted 90 points at the start of every season.

You are totally correct that the league this year is terrible, and the fact nobody looks like they will get close to 90 points shows that. The 2012/13 United team, which pundits like to claim was weak, would walk the title this year.

The fact English teams, ourselves included, have struggled in European competition shows how much weaker the league has become. On the last day of the Champions League group stages, three English teams were on the verge of exit. A few years ago that would have been inconceivable. English teams have also struggled in the Europa league. While many like to claim its because they do not care, just look at how West Ham performed in the Europa League. West Ham are just two points behind us, in sixth place, and got knocked out of the Europa league by Astra Giurgiu! Amazing how Spain, which many caftards will tell you is a weak league, dominates the Champions League and the Europa League...

In this league, with the backing he has had, Van Gaal should be challenging for the title. That should be the minimum expectation.
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Yes, for all the mocking that La liga gets for some of it failings, its teams have won the Europa league and Champions league for the last two seasons.

Under Sir Alex, we almost always got to 80 points each season under him. That should be a minimum for us. We've underachieved a lot. The fact that we went through that terrible December and are still within 7 points of the top speaks volumes.

The most damning thing for me is that we look as average as some of the weak teams in the lower half of the table. And sadly those are the games that you bank points in.
 
Shark said:
I'd have been happy with a 3rd place finish this season, as I really don't think we have a squad that can win a title, even in the state that the league is in. Forget SAF a minute and think about how long Arsenal have gone without truly challenging, never mind winning the thing. Look at how long it took City to finally mount their first challenge and win it since they were taken over. I think a lot of United fans are still stuck in a fantasy land regarding what is actually required to win a title. The truth is, rather LVG is here or not, our keeper is currently our best player and you couldn't name a single superstar out on the pitch besides Rooney and Bastian, who are both on the major decline. Arsenal and City have Sanchez, Silva, Aguero, Ozil among others bringing home the goods. Who do we have that currently comes close to any of those players?
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How many superstars in the last United team to win the title? Van Persie and...?

United is seven points off the top. Had we managed to beat Bournemouth and Norwich we'd be one point off. Had we managed to avoid losing to Swansea we'd be joint top. Had we not thrown away the points against Newcastle we'd be three points clear. None of these teams is above 15th place in the table. Are you telling me that our current squad is incapable of beating them?

United should be challenging for the title. Settling for third when the table is this weak is ridiculous. The proof that the league is rubbish is the fact we're only seven points behind and did not win a game for a month. Had we only managed to draw the matches we'd lost, not even win, but draw against Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke, we'd be four points behind Arsenal and Leicester. Four points behind with both sides to come to Old Trafford...

K2K said:
Yes, for all the mocking that La liga gets for some of it failings, its teams have won the Europa league and Champions league for the last two seasons.

Under Sir Alex, we almost always got to 80 points each season under him. That should be a minimum for us. We've underachieved a lot. The fact that we went through that terrible December and are still within 7 points of the top speaks volumes.

The most damning thing for me is that we look as average as some of the weak teams in the lower half of the table. And sadly those are the games that you bank points in.
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Totally agree.

Sir Alex Ferguson with this squad would be at least six points clear right now. We have allowed Moyes and Van Gaal to lower expectations too much. The bulk of our first team players are full internationals. We should be able to beat the sides fighting relegation.

Even when Barcelona were in the wilderness before Rijkaard, Barcelona never stopped feeling it was an elite team. A team that should be competing with Madrid, a team that should be winning European Cups. Our fans are accepting mediocrity too easily. Liverpoolisation in full flow.
 
Shark said:
I'd have been happy with a 3rd place finish this season, as I really don't think we have a squad that can win a title, even in the state that the league is in. Forget SAF a minute and think about how long Arsenal have gone without truly challenging, never mind winning the thing. Look at how long it took City to finally mount their first challenge and win it since they were taken over. I think a lot of United fans are still stuck in a fantasy land regarding what is actually required to win a title. The truth is, rather LVG is here or not, our keeper is currently our best player and you couldn't name a single superstar out on the pitch besides Rooney and Bastian, who are both on the major decline. Arsenal and City have Sanchez, Silva, Aguero, Ozil among others bringing home the goods. Who do we have that currently comes close to any of those players?
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Those are City and Arsenal sides that had to contend with Sir Alex Ferguson's United to win the league. We dont face anyway close to such a challenge.

And our biggest failings arent against Arsenal/Cities of this world. Post Fergie, its against the Bournemouth, West Broms and Norwich's. And its not the odd shocks either , we regularly struggle against such calliber of clubs. Even at home.

Our players arent world beaters, but
1. Most are Van Gaal signings.

2. Most are being burdened by a philosophy that doesnt suit them.

You would think that as United fans, we'd be the ones to know best that it's not merely filling out your team with superstars that wins you titles, as we kept on churning out trophy after trophy with players that were constantly derided as average. Management and tactics play a huge role. We cant simply ignore that.

I think the Real Madrid tie in the UCL in Sir Alex's last season perfectly illustrates that. On paper , we were outmatched in almost every position, but we made up for that tactically. Its what happens with us now, even though we have a better team than most of the teams in this league (about 14 or more), we still struggle against them as tactically we are easily predictable and thus easy to play against.
 
K2K said:
Those are City and Arsenal sides that had to contend with Sir Alex Ferguson's United to win the league. We dont face anyway close to such a challenge.

And our biggest failings arent against Arsenal/Cities of this world. Post Fergie, its against the Bournemouth, West Broms and Norwich's. And its not the odd shocks either , we regularly struggle against such calliber of clubs. Even at home.

Our players arent world beaters, but
1. Most are Van Gaal signings.

2. Most are being burdened by a philosophy that doesnt suit them.

You would think that as United fans, we'd be the ones to know best that it's not merely filling out your team with superstars that wins you titles, as we kept on churning out trophy after trophy with players that were constantly derided as average. Management and tactics play a huge role. We cant simply ignore that.

I think the Real Madrid tie in the UCL in Sir Alex's last season perfectly illustrates that. On paper , we were outmatched in almost every position, but we made up for that tactically. Its what happens with us now, even though we have a better team than most of the teams in this league (about 14 or more), we still struggle against them as tactically we are easily predictable and thus easy to play against.
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We are utterly predictable. More often than not we have two midfielders with zero mobility, mostly because Van Gaal believes Herrera is too risky to play in a double pivot. How could it be any less risky to play Carrick and Schweinsteiger together, or Fellaini and Schneiderlin together. Against quick, powerful midfielders we can't get a foothold in the game. Liverpool and Newcastle ran rings around us in midfield, we had no control of either game. Arsenal brutally exposed us too. When we want to attack we can never get the ball forward fast enough, its five yard passes until our opponents are fully prepared to defend, then we get hit on the break by average players with lots of pace. As an opposition manager coming to United tactical prep must be so easy.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Blanc would be a good shout too. But if United DO win some trophy this season, it could certainly change his thinking on the resignation.
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I don't think we have to worry about winning anything for the foreseeable future if we keep lvb or appoint Giggs.

I'm not having a go at you jazz but after the last 18 months what apart from pure luck makes people think we can win a cup.
The only one we're going for is the Arsenal 4th place trophy and I'd put money on it that we won't finish top 4 if we keep lvb, maybe if Giggs got the rest of the season before pep or Mourinho come in the summer it would give the players a boost having had the shackles taken off, I think we're more likely to get 4th with Giggs than lvb only for the reason above.
 
I'm not having the "players aren't good enough" argument. Our players simply ARE good enough to beat Bournemouth, Norwich, Swansea and Newcastle.

Circumstances have conspired against LVG -- more than a fair share of injuries and Rooney's diabolical form until the last two weeks -- but there are still no excuses for having played poorly nearly the entire season. I know it sounds ridiculously to claim poor performances while still being only 7 points off first place, but it's the undeniable truth.

I'll try to put it another way and I'll have had my say for a while on this point. Each of us became United supporters because of a certain style of play that prized above all fast attacking play and larger than life personalities. That's all gone now. Who can be attracted to the slow, dull play we've been putting on for the last 18 months? Who could possibly look up to how United play football these days and wish their team could play like that? The next generation of football fans -- those 8-12 year old kids around the world -- aren't going to be United fans for life, at least not until we play football that inspires those kids.
 
That Van Gaal walking away rumor started with that bald feck Duncan Castles, which likely means Mendes is getting desperate to shunt Mourinho into United. As each day passes by, the Special One's ego shrinks an inch at not having a job.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
That Van Gaal walking away rumor started with that bald feck Duncan Castles, which likely means Mendes is getting desperate to shunt Mourinho into United. As each day passes by, the Special One's ego shrinks an inch at not having a job.
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That's my thinking also - the traditional leaking of United's name to the media in the hope of getting the client a good deal elsewhere. There don't seem to be many available jobs of the stature of Jose's ego, so it would make sense to try to flush something out with the United rumour before having to settle at some Mendes club like Valencia.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Spot on...just to add...

Man Utd have 37 points from their opening 22 PL gamesthis season, the same as after 22 games in 2013/14 under David Moyes.

LVG has had twice as long in charge, spent £250m and the football is probably worse to watch.

That's the reality.
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Christ that is depressing.

I foolishly thought once we got rid of Moyes, we'd be ok. We clearly have much bigger deeper rooted problems.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Christ that is depressing.

I foolishly thought once we got rid of Moyes, we'd be ok. We clearly have much bigger deeper rooted problems.
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We've only just caught up with Moyes, too. He was in 34 at the halfway point, whereas LVG was only on 30 this season at that stage.
 
#07 said:
United is seven points off the top. Had we managed to beat Bournemouth and Norwich we'd be one point off. Had we managed to avoid losing to Swansea we'd be joint top. Had we not thrown away the points against Newcastle we'd be three points clear. None of these teams is above 15th place in the table. Are you telling me that our current squad is incapable of beating them?

United should be challenging for the title. Settling for third when the table is this weak is ridiculous. The proof that the league is rubbish is the fact we're only seven points behind and did not win a game for a month. Had we only managed to draw the matches we'd lost, not even win, but draw against Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke, we'd be four points behind Arsenal and Leicester. Four points behind with both sides to come to Old Trafford...
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Sure, we could have won the matches, but it's not a coincidence we haven't. We're not too hard to defend against, we struggle to create chances and can't seem to combine both a decent defence and a decent attack. Sometimes we'll get away with it and get results because we have a pretty good set of players, but sometimes we won't. In December, also partly because of injuries, we didn't.
 
Adebesi said:
It does often feel that way and Ive had the same thought RE Guardiola, that if this lot cant execute Van Gaal's "philosophy" what is to say they will do any better with Guardiola's? But I cant imagine why that would be. If we had a squad of philistine Brits who had no understanding of sophisticated Continental tactics it would be understandable, but most of our squad have played abroad. Many of the most underwhelming players this year will have been exposed to these kinds of demands before. It doesnt make sense to me.
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That's something I've thought too. At the same time though BFS has flourished in the past under both LVG and Pep's philosophies, although he's older now there's no reason he should look as utterly lost as he does. Mata has played for Spain and their tiki-taka style with no problem. Why do those two players look so lost with LVG's current philosophy? Memphis has played under him and impressed for Holland. Why does he look so clueless now? I can't figure out how he's made even those players worse and can't see it.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Because that's totally what happened with Van Gaal hey.
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Di Maria's angel said:
What rubbish. van Gaal has been a complete failure for over 18 months, not just the last 10 or so games.
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I am not saying it is comparable. But that is what happens at caf. Have a few of our favorite players not playing well and get a few losses on the bounce and everyone starts questioning something or the other.
 
K2K said:
The league is in a very poor state indeed.

But we are fairly big contributors to that in the sense that we set such a high bar that winning the league usually meant 87 plus points. We havent gotten close to 80 since Sir Alex left, and we probably wont this season either.
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The whole "the league is shit" idea seems to be accepted as a fact despite the fact that it's blatantly not true.

i take the view that a shit league is one where we see 2 or 3 teams dominate and run up vast totals; what we actually have now is a better competitive league where the general standard in the middle of the table has never been higher due to the vast influxes of TV money.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Christ that is depressing.

I foolishly thought once we got rid of Moyes, we'd be ok. We clearly have much bigger deeper rooted problems.
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We basically have 4 players who really move the needle in terms of being far superior to the average Prem player at their position: Smalling, Shaw, De Gea, Schneiderlin. Shaw has been hurt and when Schneiderlin plays our record is decent. He's not the most elegant player but his impact on us and at Southampton as a defensive shield seems to be pretty legit. Smalling isn't much technically but is a great defender and De Gea is the one feck off world class player on the team.

Under a manager that suited him better, I think Herrera could get on the list too. Martial will, he just needs some time to develop and improve his non-dribbling skills and off the ball play. Mata is also capable in the right scheme with the right teammates.

But 3 or 4 top players isn't really enough, and that's where we are at now. When we dominated, from 07-10, we routinely threw out a lineup where only the right back, Carrick (who was really fecking good much of the time) and maybe Giggs or Fletcher (depending on the season, since Fletcher in particular had a great one during that era) were not world-class players. Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Scholes, Evra, Vidic, Rio and Van Der Sar were. That's twice the amount we have now, and most were in the prime.

TLDR: We have half a team these days.
 
I understand why most people wants LvG to go. I really do. After one and a half season of "philosophy" and all we get crap boring football where the team either can't score or can't defend. It's depressing. It's gotten to the point where I don't even bother catching the 1st half of any live telecast anymore because I know more often than not it's going to end in 1-0. If we find ourselves behind I also find it hard to watch till the end, because we don't do come-backs anymore.

Having said all these, I still think it's ridiculous to hit LvG with the following sticks:

  • £250m!!! - Look, it's not like the money was spent on crap, mediocre players (like a certain Fat Spanish did at Liverpool). We got in players quality players, some of which CAFtards creamed themselves over: Memphis, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Shaw, Martial, Blind and AdM. AdM wasn't committed to the cause, and we recouped some of the money we got. The rest are players whom a new manager would be able to work with.
  • Sale of Chicharito - Yes, he's doing well in the Bundesliga, which co-incides with our unfortunate inability to score goals. But people forgot how poor he was for us, and how poor he was for Real Madrid last season. The CAF has also been complaining about his lack of all-round game play in the few seasons prior.
  • Playing players out of position - He was hailed by all last season in playing Young and Valencia as wing backs, and how he's being deride for constantly playing players out of their natural position. This was the manager who changed Bastian Schweinsteiger from a hopeless winger to a world-cup winning midfield general.
  • Playing young players - LvG plays youngster - "What the hell is he doing playing him in a must-win game with huge pressure!" LvG don't play youngster - "He's lighting up the U21s and LvG is not giving him a chance! So much for his reputation!"
Seriously guys, get a grip.
 
Red Comet said:
I understand why most people wants LvG to go. I really do. After one and a half season of "philosophy" and all we get crap boring football where the team either can't score or can't defend. It's depressing. It's gotten to the point where I don't even bother catching the 1st half of any live telecast anymore because I know more often than not it's going to end in 1-0. If we find ourselves behind I also find it hard to watch till the end, because we don't do come-backs anymore.

Having said all these, I still think it's ridiculous to hit LvG with the following sticks:

  • £250m!!! - Look, it's not like the money was spent on crap, mediocre players (like a certain Fat Spanish did at Liverpool). We got in players quality players, some of which CAFtards creamed themselves over: Memphis, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Shaw, Martial, Blind and AdM. AdM wasn't committed to the cause, and we recouped some of the money we got. The rest are players whom a new manager would be able to work with.
  • Sale of Chicharito - Yes, he's doing well in the Bundesliga, which co-incides with our unfortunate inability to score goals. But people forgot how poor he was for us, and how poor he was for Real Madrid last season. The CAF has also been complaining about his lack of all-round game play in the few seasons prior.
  • Playing players out of position - He was hailed by all last season in playing Young and Valencia as wing backs, and how he's being deride for constantly playing players out of their natural position. This was the manager who changed Bastian Schweinsteiger from a hopeless winger to a world-cup winning midfield general.
  • Playing young players - LvG plays youngster - "What the hell is he doing playing him in a must-win game with huge pressure!" LvG don't play youngster - "He's lighting up the U21s and LvG is not giving him a chance! So much for his reputation!"
Seriously guys, get a grip.
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The part in red seems completely made up. He was appreciated that he found Valencia something worthwhile to do. He was derided for not allowing Rafael the same no of chances.
And Young was a bit of success in the 3-5-2 and when we moved him forward to wings when we played the rare 4 at the back.
Besides the above, playing players out of their positions doesn't always create Bastians. Some players just wither away and lose interest and focus and form. Playing Rooney all over the team positions hardly made him do any wonders last season. Same with pushing ADM to forward position just for some pace.
LvG does make stuff that sometimes doesn't make sense to normal people.
Playing Young at RB, when he was good and decent in various positions on the left in last season.
Martial was found good in FW... So he was moved to left.. He was more than decent there as well. So LvG tried him on right in a recent match.

Coming to sale of Chicharito, it is not the sale of Chicha which is the stick. It is the lack of replacements and thinking Rooney can do 25+ goals and take the team ahead that is the problem.

Coming to the playing young players part, playing Nick Powell in place of Mata at Wolfsburg in a must win game hardly would have helped Powell develop. Not to mention that the lad has just 6 months left in contract and there is no news of his extension. Some decisions make sense, some don't.
 
K2K said:
Other than the two wins against Pool, its been a largely forgettable season.

We seem to slowly creeping into the territory where we are average, yet it doesnt bother many. Almost becoming content with it.

Lets hope the board show some ambition. Proper ambition, like getting back amongst the top 3/4 clubs in Europe.
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There's barely anyone "almost content" with how things are presently at United. You get the usual tiny exceptional cases in any sample size.
 
Red Comet said:
Sale of Chicharito - Yes, he's doing well in the Bundesliga, which co-incides with our unfortunate inability to score goals. But people forgot how poor he was for us, and how poor he was for Real Madrid last season. The CAF has also been complaining about his lack of all-round game play in the few seasons prior.
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He wasn't. He was actually quite good for them last season and impressed many with his contribution when given his (few) chances.
 
I think he needs to be backed with a winger, striker and possibly a defender depending on whether Shaw will be back this season. Then see whether he can earn the right to see out his contract or be sacked in the summer at the very latest if results do not continue to improve.
 

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Red Comet said:
I understand why most people wants LvG to go. I really do. After one and a half season of "philosophy" and all we get crap boring football where the team either can't score or can't defend. It's depressing. It's gotten to the point where I don't even bother catching the 1st half of any live telecast anymore because I know more often than not it's going to end in 1-0. If we find ourselves behind I also find it hard to watch till the end, because we don't do come-backs anymore.

Having said all these, I still think it's ridiculous to hit LvG with the following sticks:

  • £250m!!! - Look, it's not like the money was spent on crap, mediocre players (like a certain Fat Spanish did at Liverpool). We got in players quality players, some of which CAFtards creamed themselves over: Memphis, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Shaw, Martial, Blind and AdM. AdM wasn't committed to the cause, and we recouped some of the money we got. The rest are players whom a new manager would be able to work with.
  • Sale of Chicharito - Yes, he's doing well in the Bundesliga, which co-incides with our unfortunate inability to score goals. But people forgot how poor he was for us, and how poor he was for Real Madrid last season. The CAF has also been complaining about his lack of all-round game play in the few seasons prior.
  • Playing players out of position - He was hailed by all last season in playing Young and Valencia as wing backs, and how he's being deride for constantly playing players out of their natural position. This was the manager who changed Bastian Schweinsteiger from a hopeless winger to a world-cup winning midfield general.
  • Playing young players - LvG plays youngster - "What the hell is he doing playing him in a must-win game with huge pressure!" LvG don't play youngster - "He's lighting up the U21s and LvG is not giving him a chance! So much for his reputation!"
Seriously guys, get a grip.
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i point out 250 for the shit football add to that what DFM spent - 300m for this :lol: , and not having net spend bullshit.

no replacement for chich so we have wiggy as 3rd choice get to feck! another :lol:.

playing players out of position because he's left himself with no choice.

lastly youth players or youngsters chucked into games that need to be won is fecking mental. he's fecked it with the whole squad.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
I think he needs to be backed with a winger, striker and possibly a defender depending on whether Shaw will be back this season. Then see whether he can earn the right to see out his contract or be sacked in the summer at the very latest if results do not continue to improve.
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It is amazing, he had a striker, 2 wingers and a few defenders in about june 2015, what happened? he sold them all and never replaced any of them. It is his own fault he lost them all and never had any plan in replacing them, put all his eggs into the rooney depay basket. Summers without any international football is the summer you take full advantage off, and VG never did, he bought players just not enough of them
 
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