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Amen. But your prayers won't be answered. It's very clear that he won't be out until we are definitely out of the top 4.

By which time it is too late. We had to do that with Moyes because otherwise we would have had to pay up his whole contract, or something.

My only worry is that the sort of football we saw last night would be what Giggs would serve up. Exciting perhaps, but no good if you want to get into the top 4.
 
By which time it is too late. We had to do that with Moyes because otherwise we would have had to pay up his whole contract, or something.

My only worry is that the sort of football we saw last night would be what Giggs would serve up. Exciting perhaps, but no good if you want to get into the top 4.
I think if Carrick had played we may have got away with it. Giggs would persist with this style and the excitement. You can see LvG just going back to type and still not getting results.
 
Liverpool may struggle against us if we play on the counter. As for last night, I enjoyed it hence can't be arsed moaning.

Last night wasn't bad, we didn't win but it happens. I'm still bothered by the fact that we show the same flaws week after week but I should stop complaining about it.
 
I think if Carrick had played we may have got away with it. Giggs would persist with this style and the excitement. You can see LvG just going back to type and still not getting results.
I think that's an important point, maybe we are just out of practice playing this way, if we did it consistently we might do a better job of turning it into 3 points.

Though as I said a minute ago, I cant understand why we couldnt revert back to the way we HAVE been playing consistently all season when it was rational to do so.
 
I think that's an important point, maybe we are just out of practice playing this way, if we did it consistently we might do a better job of turning it into 3 points.

Though as I said a minute ago, I cant understand why we couldnt revert back to the way we HAVE been playing consistently all season when it was rational to do so.
LvG is not rational thouh. I agree from 2-0 and at the start of the 2nd half we should have gone back to keeping the ball. That would have taken the wind out of their sails and we might have picked them off again later in the game. Obvious but not to Lvg.
 
I enjoyed last night more than any Utd match in a long time. In fact it was the first one in ages I didnt wish I was doing something else!
 
It is getting the balance right. The flow of the game was immensely better last night, but injuries in the wrong place cost us. I would have expected more from Morgan last night, but having Fellaini next to you is a nightmare. That exposed the defence which has been cobbled together. Relying on a 34 year old Michael Carrick is not great and needs addressing urgently. His compusure there would have been invaluable though.

The defence isn't 'cobbled together' at all. Darmian played left back for Torino last season frequently while Smalling and Blind are our first choice centre backs. Only Young is out of position so there is no excuse for being as open as we were last night. It's simply piss poor management.
 
Last night wasn't bad, we didn't win but it happens. I'm still bothered by the fact that we show the same flaws week after week but I should stop complaining about it.


Look, we're not a good side, and I suspect we'll narrowly miss out on CL football, but I could stomach that as long as we give it a go. The man needs to go though.
 
Roma have sacked Rudi Garcia after falling to fifth place in the league.

Manchester United have left Van Gaal in charge after falling to sixth place in the league, finishing 3rd in a piss poor CL group and playing god awful football for 99% of the season so far.

Logic.
 
LvG is not rational thouh. I agree from 2-0 and at the start of the 2nd half we should have gone back to keeping the ball. That would have taken the wind out of their sails and we might have picked them off again later in the game. Obvious but not to Lvg.
I have never thought of Van Gaal as irrational though. I thought he had a different set of priorities to many other fans and managers. If you judge his actions based on someone else's priorities they seem irrational, but that is to misunderstand (so I thought) what he was trying to achieve. He always seemed fairly consistent if you looked at it from the perspective of keeping the ball, playing within a rigid system etc. "The philosophy".

I also thought the advantage of adhering to his dogma would be, one day when we were given a bit more freedom, we would at least be able to fall back on the skills we learned during this period, which would come in handy sometimes. In situations like the second half last night, for example. When we were under pressure we would be able to just keep the ball and control the game, because we had done it so much we'd be able to do it without thinking about it.

Seems like on that second point I was wrong, though I guess time will tell if the whole thing has been a complete waste of time, or if last night was just a bad day at the office - from a control perspective, not an entertainment one. I still dont know about the first bit though. I dont know whether I would call Van Gaal irrational. I would just call him a manager that is probably unsuited to English football.
 
Last night wasn't bad, we didn't win but it happens. I'm still bothered by the fact that we show the same flaws week after week but I should stop complaining about it.

Let's see how we do against Liverpool. Don't want to complain too much but still want him gone. We're sixth!!!
 
I don't think it will be the case, we used the top 4 clause with Moyes because he had five and a half years of a big contract left. In the case of LVG he has 1 and a half years left, worst case scenario we pay 10m£.

Don't think it's just about the money mate. It's about Ed's ego as well as LVG was his pick. The time to fire him this season has come and gone. Ed clearly wants to stick with LVG this season but I still believe if we sink out of the the top 4 early then his position becomes untenable.

You look at LVG last night and you would have seen some of that definance back. Which is not a good thing for those (including myself) who want him out.
 
That is just so counter productive though, and would instantly heap huge pressure onto the next manager.

A wise man would admit his mistake and act before it's too late, and surely only a fool would follow 'their' man over the cliff...

Or is Woodward totally immune to any blame what so ever in the Glazer's eyes, and can just do what he please in the safe knoweledge he won't be sacked aswell.

That is a great point you've made. I think that Ed has been the Glazers' golden boy so far. Hiring LVG was Ed's call and it's human nature to want to stick with the guy he hired until things clearly are not working out. You have seen all the arguments the Van Gaal supporters here are still using to keep him in the job, despite us slipping slow but surely down the table. Ed probably is relying on the very same points. We are 6th now. Spurs have a game in hand in 4th. But all that matters naught because Ed will be made to look very bad if the LVG hire goes south.

You can just imagine Ed telling LVG whatever happens, just get that freakin' 4th spot.
 
The defence isn't 'cobbled together' at all. Darmian played left back for Torino last season frequently while Smalling and Blind are our first choice centre backs. Only Young is out of position so there is no excuse for being as open as we were last night. It's simply piss poor management.
Funny how he put Darmian on the bench and was happy having Valencia as RB. The fact he has had to bring Young at RB then actually move his 2nd choice RB to play at LB and at times CB. I would say our defence is cobbled together.
 
What is extremely depressing about this whole thing is that deep down we all know the reason he's still in a job is due to someone trying to cover their own backside and retain some form of power in the board room.

Modern day Manchester United....world class business management, farcical football management.
 
What is extremely depressing about this whole thing is that deep down we all know the reason he's still in a job is due to someone trying to cover their own backside and retain some form of power in the board room.

Modern day Manchester United....world class business management, farcical football management.
Whether they like it or not, the football is the main part of the business, so it's farcical all round in my opinion.
 
What is extremely depressing about this whole thing is that deep down we all know the reason he's still in a job is due to someone trying to cover their own backside and retain some form of power in the board room.

Modern day Manchester United....world class business management, farcical football management.
They are making a documentary about it, Game of Goons
 
Funny how he put Darmian on the bench and was happy having Valencia as RB. The fact he has had to bring Young at RB then actually move his 2nd choice RB to play at LB and at times CB. I would say our defence is cobbled together.

He bought Darmian just last summer to be our first choice right back and I'm sure his versatility was also noted. It doesn't reflect too well on Van Gaal's management if Darmian is already looked at as a last ditch option only to be used in desperate situations. Also when he did start a game at centre back?
 
I keep wondering whether Woodward has an ace up his sleeve in terms of who the replacement will be. I daren't hope he is going to stun the world by announcing Guardiola. But I keep wondering: if he saw Giggs as the next manager, why not do it now? If not, why not appoint Mourinho (despite that prospect not being particularly thrilling for me, it does surely make sense for someone responsible for turning us back into winners)?

The most obvious answer is probably the correct one, that Woodward just wants to give Van Gaal as much time as possible, or feels his own judgement will be questioned if he accepts Van Gaal has failed, as people have said. And yet, he must see that his judgement is already being questioned as we stagger from one calamity to the next. I just cant quite shake the optimistic voice nagging in the back of my mind, that we dont know what is going on in the background and maybe our apparent inaction is simply down to it being too early to announce what he has planned.

That may well not be Guardiola of course. It may be someone else who has contractual obligations and who is unwilling to join before the end of the season.
 
It just feels like the board are a bunch of short term thinking morons - they don't seem to understand that if we continue playing this way then there's a chance that we'll miss top four. Then when our fate is sealed only then will they finally go "oh, this isn't very good".
 
Whether they like it or not, the football is the main part of the business, so it's farcical all round in my opinion.

The leeches in charge certainly don't see it that way. For all of Woodward's faults, I think he understands it, however, rather than have the intelligence to structure the club accordingly with the right people around him (i.e. a Sporting Director), he's been taken in by the glitz and glamour and seems to be on a personal mission to take the glory himself. As a result, he's carrying the can for a number of mistakes made and now he's so far down the rabbit hole he has no idea how to get out of this without damaging his credibility.....and there-in lies the problem, Decisions being made with the motivator being personal redemption/success.
 
He bought Darmian just last summer to be our first choice right back and I'm sure his versatility was also noted. It doesn't reflect too well on Van Gaal's management if Darmian is already looked at as a last ditch option only to be used in desperate situations. Also when he did start a game at centre back?
Not sure if he started at CB, sure he got moved there. I could have been asleep at the time, so it could have been in a dream.
 
I keep wondering whether Woodward has an ace up his sleeve in terms of who the replacement will be. I daren't hope he is going to stun the world by announcing Guardiola. But I keep wondering: if he saw Giggs as the next manager, why not do it now? If not, why not appoint Mourinho (despite that prospect not being particularly thrilling for me, it does surely make sense for someone responsible for turning us back into winners)?

The most obvious answer is probably the correct one, that Woodward just wants to give Van Gaal as much time as possible, or feels his own judgement will be questioned if he accepts Van Gaal has failed, as people have said. And yet, he must see that his judgement is already being questioned as we stagger from one calamity to the next. I just cant quite shake the optimistic voice nagging in the back of my mind, that we dont know what is going on in the background and maybe our apparent inaction is simply down to it being too early to announce what he has planned.

That may well not be Guardiola of course. It may be someone else who has contractual obligations and who is unwilling to join before the end of the season.

See my earlier post - this is about arse covering and nothing else.
 
I keep wondering whether Woodward has an ace up his sleeve in terms of who the replacement will be. I daren't hope he is going to stun the world by announcing Guardiola. But I keep wondering: if he saw Giggs as the next manager, why not do it now? If not, why not appoint Mourinho (despite that prospect not being particularly thrilling for me, it does surely make sense for someone responsible for turning us back into winners)?

The most obvious answer is probably the correct one, that Woodward just wants to give Van Gaal as much time as possible, or feels his own judgement will be questioned if he accepts Van Gaal has failed, as people have said. And yet, he must see that his judgement is already being questioned as we stagger from one calamity to the next. I just cant quite shake the optimistic voice nagging in the back of my mind, that we dont know what is going on in the background and maybe our apparent inaction is simply down to it being too early to announce what he has planned.

That may well not be Guardiola of course. It may be someone else who has contractual obligations and who is unwilling to join before the end of the season.
Probably Colonel Sanders. He will have them all running out dressed as chicken drumsticks.
 
Roma have sacked Rudi Garcia after falling to fifth place in the league.

Manchester United have left Van Gaal in charge after falling to sixth place in the league, finishing 3rd in a piss poor CL group and playing god awful football for 99% of the season so far.

Logic.
They don't have a job reserved for Ryan Giggs, is my guess why.

Like I said in the other thread, we've got ourselves into a right mess with regards to finishing top 4. At a time when we should be clawing our way back and taking charge to some degree, given we've had so many games against lesser sides, we've gone on to winning almost none of them and losing a few. Norwich, Bournemouth, Newcastle, even Leicestor, Chelsea (at home), these were games to take control of our destiny this season in. We failed to win any of those, and won against a terrible Swansea side by a cat's whisker.
 
Because he can't make adjustments to his crap plan mid-match by getting up and telling the team to change. He's just got to stick with his Titanic masterplan throughout the game.


He still think his plan is unsinkable, when the ship is sinking beneath his feet.
 
The leeches in charge certainly don't see it that way. For all of Woodward's faults, I think he understands it, however, rather than have the intelligence to structure the club accordingly with the right people around him (i.e. a Sporting Director), he's been taken in by the glitz and glamour and seems to be on a personal mission to take the glory himself. As a result, he's carrying the can for a number of mistakes made and now he's so far down the rabbit hole he has no idea how to get out of this without damaging his credibility.....and there-in lies the problem, Decisions being made with the motivator being personal redemption/success.
The success on the pitch is a direct correlation with the commercial side. We won't be able to have one without the other. I really hope Woodward isn't that stupid.
 
The success on the pitch is a direct correlation with the commercial side. We won't be able to have one without the other. I really hope Woodward isn't that stupid.

I agree with you but I think what you are seeing is a huge degree of arrogance. They think that they are bigger than the rest.

Word of warning for them, many modern day "football fans" are fickle and "support" will waver based on success. Now, that's a whole other argument but I would say its true.
 
We're dropping like a stone and it's alarming. It can't carry on and there needs to be a change even if it's just Giggs until the end of the season.
 
Its funny how we need all the teams above us to perform poorly to get back into the race for top 4... as if they're actually playing well.
 
It's unforgivable that we are starting to look like outsiders for top 4 - this in a season where Chelsea went into meltdown and Liverpool had to fire their manager after a disastrous start. It's only 3 years ago that finishing fourth would have been considered a terrible season. Lowering expectations and still failing to meet them....
 
Is it too much to expect for action to be taken if Liverpool beat us on Sunday? There's no point getting to the end of the season and missing out on the top 4 before they realise a change is required, we should be proactive rather than reactive.
 
Don't think it's just about the money mate. It's about Ed's ego as well as LVG was his pick. The time to fire him this season has come and gone. Ed clearly wants to stick with LVG this season but I still believe if we sink out of the the top 4 early then his position becomes untenable.

You look at LVG last night and you would have seen some of that definance back. Which is not a good thing for those (including myself) who want him out.


Which is my point, the top 4 wait was a financial decision and in LVG's case this doesn't work, we are keeping him because we want to keep.
 
Is it too much to expect for action to be taken if Liverpool beat us on Sunday? There's no point getting to the end of the season and missing out on the top 4 before they realise a change is required, we should be proactive rather than reactive.

I would think the nature of the game will dictate it. If we were to take a bad beating - i.e. 3-0 then I would think his time is up.
 
Is it too much to expect for action to be taken if Liverpool beat us on Sunday? There's no point getting to the end of the season and missing out on the top 4 before they realise a change is required, we should be proactive rather than reactive.
If you get smashed, no it's not too much to ask.
 
'Thing is, the Liverpool fixture is always more important to the fans than it is to the board. It'd have to be a thrashing for anything dramatic to happen afterwards.
 
It needed spent regardless the manager. Moyes bought Fellaini and Mata! LVG has bought very shrewdly to be fair to him the fact he's playing football that would send you to sleep is another thing entirely.

agreed add to that as you've posted another 50 plus from mr. moyes makes for some really bad football.

he spent 30m on a couple of players that should be squadies to be more than fair.
 
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