But why the shift back to keeping him? If the Board decided the only plausible explanation is that Ed or Glazers strong armed the rest into line.
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But why the shift back to keeping him? If the Board decided the only plausible explanation is that Ed or Glazers strong armed the rest into line.
I'm just waiting for LVG to turn up to an interview in a Bane mask. "Call down Caftards, now ish not the time for no champions league football. That comesh later."
That is a brilliant way of putting it.
"It doeshn't matter who we are. All that mattersh ish our plan.
Drawing thish game."
Duh-duh-duhduh-dah-dah-dah-duduh-duhduh-duhdahdah.
Drawing thish game."
Duh-duh-duhduh-dah-dah-dah-duduh-duhduh-duhdahdah.
I agree with that but he isn't as good as Ashley Young on the wing and we all agreed we needed an upgrade on Young 3 years ago! We are been unlucky in regards Di Maria and Depay to be fair and Jesse has took his chance (fair play) but we simply need better quality.
I have changed my vote this morning to sack him now. I was convinced he would turn things around, but I no longer think he will.
I didn't understand this either. We should have made another sub, even if only to kill their momentum.
ok mr wenger!
he's spent over 250m easy.
It needed spent regardless the manager. Moyes bought Fellaini and Mata! LVG has bought very shrewdly to be fair to him the fact he's playing football that would send you to sleep is another thing entirely.
We anti-Gaalites are very forgiving. Another poster we welcome to the enlightened side.
The performances of Wijnaldum for Newcastle are also quite alarming for van Gaal's sake. At the World Cup with Holland he never made a forward pass, didn't make many runs outside of the midfield circle, just looked like a spineless player. For Newcastle, he impresses me anytime I watch him. The shackles van Gaal seems to put on creative players concern me.
No idea. Maybe the tight schedule worked against us. But just do it now then, I'd love to see a Van Gaal-free United at Anfield.
Amen. But your prayers won't be answered. It's very clear that he won't be out until we are definitely out of the top 4.
"Then when Mancheshter United ish ashhes. You have my permisshion to replace me with Giggsh."
Ok I'll stop.
Ok I'll stop.
That is just so counter productive though, and would instantly heap huge pressure onto the next manager.
A wise man would admit his mistake and act before it's too late, and surely only a fool would follow 'their' man over the cliff...
Or is Woodward totally immune to any blame what so ever in the Glazer's eyes, and can just do what he please in the safe knoweledge he won't be sacked aswell.
I don't think it will be the case, we used the top 4 clause with Moyes because he had five and a half years of a big contract left. In the case of LVG he has 1 and a half years left, worst case scenario we pay 10m£.
The fact Woodward or whoever didn't learn that leaving Moyes in charge till the season was dead was a moronic decision, and it seems we're going to do the exact same thing again is absolutely mental. Are we in that good a position that we can happily just throw away seasons like this? The more we drift, the worse things are going to get.
But remember, it's not the 'United Way' to sack managers, we don't want to become a sacking club etc. etc.
Like I said a month ago, Being extra patient with managers has cost us twice now. Other big clubs wouldn't of accepted this level of mediocrity.
Please do.
Guys, let's face it. LVG is got a lot to answer for but the problems are far more deep routed. That snivelling little cock shite Woodward sums up everything that is wrong with Manchester United.
Club is in disarray at all age levels. If this were in any other walk of life, the men at the top of the tree would carry the can and have to go. This is no different.
Club is in disarray at all age levels. If this were in any other walk of life, the men at the top of the tree would carry the can and have to go. This is no different.
Yep. I wish it was as simple as LvG is useless. We have so many problems currently all through the club.
I must admit Im confused. From reading these boards over the last few weeks I was under the impression that people were far less interested in the result than in the performance, in being entertained. Im sure Ive read about a thousand variations of: "I wouldnt care if we consistently lost games, as long as I see some passion and some attacking intent from the players." So naturally when I logged on this morning I was expecting it to be all sweetness and light.
Unfortunately people are never happy. I enjoyed the game, although it just raised more questions about the squad. The ones who are saying they would now rather having us boring and winning 1-0 will be the first ones moaning when it happens. Last night showed how glaringly reliant again we are on Michael Carrick, so a class replacement is needed, as Michael is nearing the end. Also playing people out of position in that defence was going to catch up with us eventually.
Well for me personally - maybe other people as well - I've just wanted us to look like a competent football team. My entertainment would come from seeing a United side that is a good side - across all areas of the pitch... unfortunately we haven't looked like a competant side for a while now though.
What point are you trying to make? It's not like the results have been any good before last night so what exactly has been proven?
And there are tons of positive comments about how entertaining the match was, how our attacking play was better and Rooney played well.
I just see nothing to suggest LVG can get the balance right
Nothing has been proven. My point is a lot of people went so far as to say they wouldnt mind if we lost games, as long as we played with attacking intent.
Well last night we played with attacking intent and passion. The game was highly entertaining.
I dont think people have thought through the "wouldnt care if we lost/dropped points" comments. If you were playing really well, you would be unlikely to drop the points. So defensive frailty, lapses, tactical nativity or a lack of commitment in getting back is implied. Turns out, when we attack with intent and have people on their seats, but prove ourselves inept in other ways, that is also hugely disappointing. That isnt news to me, which is why I have never argued that I would be happy losing games while playing entertaining football.
If you never said anything like that then my comments werent aimed at you.
LVG says that we played like that because of Newcastle and I disagree with him. Even if a team is defending we can pass it much faster and we can have shots on goal. We saw against newcastle, shoot and sometimes you will get lucky. We never play to get lucky - we just try to walk the ball in and put so much on one chance. At home, we lack tempo and there are no personalities or character to change it. If we'd have stayed true to ourselves, we'd be in far better shape but we've mucked about with some negative shit. Football is a simple game that gets complicated pointlessly.
I actually think it is that simple.
Give £250m to any other Premiership club to spend right now and in 18 months they will be in the top 4 with ease.
Van Gaal had the freedom to sign who he wanted and play how he wanted and he alone is responsible for this mess. He mismanaged di Maria who should still be here, Memphis is being mismanaged, Martial is being mismanaged, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger...
Even Moyes would be challenging for the title had he stayed and been given that £250m. Van Gaal is past it and doesn't know how to manage the modern day player
People told you that they would prefer playing well and losing some games that we should win because of an excess of enthusiasm. I don't think that anyone said that they would take constant loses.
Right. And we are talking about one game, last night. I dont think a pattern has been established yet. Particularly as I cant imagine Van Gaal will have liked what he saw last night, I cant imagine us approaching the Liverpool game in the same way. Though maybe Ill be proven wrong on that one.
All he had to do last night was revert to the way we have been playing all season when we went 2-0 up - the game was over. In his words "kill the game". We didn't manage the game and that is a reflection on him. The fact that Lingard, Fellaini, and Rooney missed sitters is a reflection on them but we wouldn't have needed them had LVG done what he is paid to do and set the team up accordingly.
We are going to revert to our dull style, no doubt about it.
Liverpool may struggle against us if we play on the counter. As for last night, I enjoyed it hence can't be arsed moaning.
Well said. His management of games is atrocious.
That's a ridiculous strawman though and your point is I'm sure directed much less widely then you've asserted.
One can enjoy our football and be unhappy with the result. That was a million times better than most of the shite we've been served up under LvG. It's a welcome step but it's not the only fix required.
That was the strangest thing, for me. We have been playing a certain way, controlling games, keeping the ball, protecting ourselves through possession, to the point of overkill. Youd have thought by now it would be second nature, the ability to switch into that mode when needed. Once they started their comeback we fell to pieces and couldnt do it. I was thinking that when we went to 2-2, when we got our 3rd I thought, that Christ for that, we'll have learned our lesson now, we'll control it for the last few minutes. But we were unable to do it again.
I cant understand how we seem to have learned so little from the last half season - or arguably season and a half.
Fair enough.
It is getting the balance right. The flow of the game was immensely better last night, but injuries in the wrong place cost us. I would have expected more from Morgan last night, but having Fellaini next to you is a nightmare. That exposed the defence which has been cobbled together. Relying on a 34 year old Michael Carrick is not great and needs addressing urgently. His compusure there would have been invaluable though.
I don't get it - especially last night.
He actually should walk away. He must see that it is not working.
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