Oh please, it's a ridiculous amount however you spin it.
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Yep, that's why he's won trophies everywhere he's went.
Argue he's not doing good enough, but calling him shit is ridiculous.
It's very difficult... But building a team is made even harder when a) you dismantle the team and barely replace anyone (I mean, that's basically the opposite of building a team) and b) you play players out of position in key areas of the pitch.
I would also expect to see some sort of progression into a team that can function in both areas of the field in the same game... But all we are currently doing is regressing.
most in another age. 1 since the turn of the century. he's become pretty shit.
He used to be a good manager, he's now a shit manager.
Nothing ridiculous with that... Falcao used to be a great player, a lot of people now call him a shit player... Is that ridiculous?
Yes it's completely ridiculous.
If he was a shit manager, he wouldn't be anywhere near the club.
he is and he is. so that put shut to that. the falcao thing is perfect. he played (kind of) at united and chelsea. but was and is shit. moyes was shit too. he managed united.
now bring in jose. who has won something this century not last. or wait and finish 7th or lower.
And he shouldn't be anywhere near the club, yet here we find ourselves.
Anyway, by that logic, why do shit players sometimes find themselves at our club?
I'd honestly rather see Giggs get the job than Jose anywhere near the dugout.
I'm not exactly happy with how things are going either, but hyperbole gets us nowhere and all you seem to do is call him a shit manager, which he clearly isn't.
Is he good enough? Maybe not.
Well he's not proving himself to be a good manager is he? So is he an average manager then? Well considering most of the decisions he makes whilst he is in charge have been worse then average, with a lot being downright poor, and he makes us either play shit football or decent football with terrible defending... All whilst achieving pretty shit results... Then what does that make him?
Your logic is flawed though. A lot of people here would say Moyes is a pretty shit manager (remember, we all judge things with respect to Manchester United)... Is that ridiculous?
i don't know much more about him. is he a good husband? cook? dad? does he even have kids? i don't give a feck about him other than him as a manager of united not what he did before. and he's not good (or shit) so what do you know about LVG that I don't? his tactics or his team are dysfunctional either way the blame lands at his feet. why? well they are his players and his tactics and his subs and his choice as captain his choice of who he bought and sold. see his choices have brought us to this. so therefore he's done , IMO , a shit job. end of. you are unhappy about?
The situation we are in now just feels exactly like the last couple of weeks when everyone knew Moyes' time was up except it's lasted a good month already and looks to continue for a good while yet.
It's torture.
It's torture.
He just can't get it right. Simple as that. Is our pathetic form entirely his fault? Of course not. The injuries have taken a toll, and many players have grossly underperformed. That said, the lion's share of blame does rest with LVG. He chose to purge the squad without bringing in adequate replacements (even if only to make up the numbers and provide some depth). He chose which players to buy. He chooses the starting line-ups, and decides on the substitutes during a match. He decides which tactics to adopt for each game and how to adjust - or not adjust - during matches. There's no denying, so far this season it's been an unmitigated disaster.
The question to ask, in my view, is whether the club is prepared to stand by him until a top four finish is no longer possible, or whether it wants to be proactive and try to salvage the season. Make no mistake - the trend of the results clearly points to a spot outside of the top four. If they stay the course, I think it would simply be out of principle. They value loyalty and don't want to be a club that hastily fires Managers. How about losing sight of another key principle...winning! We don't want to be Real Madrid in terms of Managers, but the club should be firm when it comes to demanding results and maintaining a winning culture. We're already talking about a top four finish like it's as good as winning the league. They stuck with Moyes longer than they should have, and are repeating the same mistake now.
Pep is going to City. Carlo is confirmed to Bayern. Mourinho is easily their equal and is there for the taking. I'm confident that if he took charge, we'd finish in a Champions League spot. He'd also have appeal to players in the transfer market. At this point, maintains the status quo is incredibly naive. He needs to go.
The question to ask, in my view, is whether the club is prepared to stand by him until a top four finish is no longer possible, or whether it wants to be proactive and try to salvage the season. Make no mistake - the trend of the results clearly points to a spot outside of the top four. If they stay the course, I think it would simply be out of principle. They value loyalty and don't want to be a club that hastily fires Managers. How about losing sight of another key principle...winning! We don't want to be Real Madrid in terms of Managers, but the club should be firm when it comes to demanding results and maintaining a winning culture. We're already talking about a top four finish like it's as good as winning the league. They stuck with Moyes longer than they should have, and are repeating the same mistake now.
Pep is going to City. Carlo is confirmed to Bayern. Mourinho is easily their equal and is there for the taking. I'm confident that if he took charge, we'd finish in a Champions League spot. He'd also have appeal to players in the transfer market. At this point, maintains the status quo is incredibly naive. He needs to go.
Mad people saying that its not his fault that we missed sitters or whatever. He has been here a season and a half, and we still look disjointed and unbalanced. There is no excuse for that. He's coaching the team and has to fix it. Before Rooney's second we were absolutely shite. It reminded of that game against PSV where we couldn't get out or half and actually looked knackered. There seems to be no cohesion whatsoever and defensively we are appealing when we open up. Our early defensive record was due to completely strangling the game and that meant we couldn't score either. To blame it on the players missing chances is easy, but I thought our set up was abysmal tonight. We countered well, but we had no answer to their energy in the middle and could've conceded more.
Surprised someone hasn't tried to blame today's result on the fans asking for more free flowing football, and use the 3-3 scoreline as an example why LVG is right and that sticking to pointless possession is the way to go. Seeing as it's apparently unheard of for a team to attack well and be solid in defence all at once.
Well how did VG get the top 4? Our rivals were failing, what is happening this season? VG is just getting found out, teams like Spurs are improving, Arsenal look like the real deal, and VG is lucky Chelsea have imploded or he would be further away from a top 4. Remember when Moyes finished 7th teams like Everton, Spurs, Liverpool were hugely improved, so what we are seeing this season, is probably the same thing has the 2013/14 season.
I'm resigned to the fact that he's here for the season.
It's time to make the best of it. Newcastle wasn't that bad, we attacked made chances, Lingard and Fellaini should have had us out of sight.
Their pen and deflected equaliser were annoying but shit like that happens.
We should continue the attacking football at Liverpool next week.
It's time to make the best of it. Newcastle wasn't that bad, we attacked made chances, Lingard and Fellaini should have had us out of sight.
Their pen and deflected equaliser were annoying but shit like that happens.
We should continue the attacking football at Liverpool next week.
Seeing how Maroune plays in that position, its evident that he isnt really much of an option. Its asking him to do something he cant do. We had Schneiderlin in there , and he should have brunted more of that responsibility. Herrera is also more defensively disciplined than poor Fellaini.
Yes, Moyes did. After having played Fellaini at 10 the previous season at Everton where he had his best ever season. I cant really explain that one.
But he's been shit this entire year. Is that a fairer assessment in your eyes?
Was Lingard hurt before he was subbed off? It seemed that when he missed that golden opportunity LVG had a fit on the bench and then Depay came on. Just hope that wasn't the case because that would just shatter Lingard's confidence. One mistake (ok a bad miss) and you're off.
And Fellaini... speechless.
Yup exactly, was my biggest gripe with yesterday's game also, he's just clueless.
Why stop at SAF? I would in fact go further back and blame Sir Matt and Sir Bobby for the shite we are on. It is but obvious now. LVG's failings are because of the way the club, which has been the most dominant in English football for the last two and a half decades, is structured.
Maybe we can sneak another couple wins before May! It might be a little difficult since we've just scored our monthly allotment of goals in one match today.
Because he can't make adjustments to his crap plan mid-match by getting up and telling the team to change. He's just got to stick with his Titanic masterplan throughout the game.
I really hate Van Gaal.
We need to get a new manager now while it's possible to achieve 4th. The target should be 10-12 wins from the remaining 17 and I can't see it happening under LvG.
So obvious, yet that's simply not part of his plans.
He's been quoted on numerous occasions as saying he does his tactics and talking during the week, and trusts his players to carry out the plan. Basically, there is no plan B during the game.
He will go before the end of the season, similar to moyes once we have been dumped out of all the cups and top four is gone the board will act but not until then.
The editor of the Norwegian supporters club said yesterday he has good club sources that told him that the board had decided to fire van Gaal after the home loss to Norwich last month, but very late up to the Chelsea game they decided to give him a second chance.
If this is true it's probably good news because it means the board is really considering doing the right thing.
If this is true it's probably good news because it means the board is really considering doing the right thing.
I make that two wins in the last nine PL matches.
Not sure how anyone could come out and call that entertaining yesterday. The lack of bottle we showed was sickening.
Not sure how to feel about United: it's clear change is needed, but it doesn't seem as though there's any prospect of that.
Sod putting a positive spin on getting a point against Newcastle, just because we had a go.
Not sure how anyone could come out and call that entertaining yesterday. The lack of bottle we showed was sickening.
Not sure how to feel about United: it's clear change is needed, but it doesn't seem as though there's any prospect of that.
Sod putting a positive spin on getting a point against Newcastle, just because we had a go.
Not many expect him to win the Champions League, brother. Just play decent football and at a minimum consistently beat teams who's budget is 10% of ours.
I'm not getting your inconsistent vibes, B. I thought you supported LvG a few weeks back. How you finally had enough?
You'll notice I've been relatively quiet for a while, Sults.
If you recall, my defence of LvG came much earlier in the season. Yes, the football was drab, but we were top of the league after beating Watford, we looked well set in the CL and I thought our fixture list meant we'd continue to make hay.
I can't defend the indefensible though. It's a terrible run of form that has cost us challenging for a really winnable league title this season, while we're now also outsiders for a top four position.
Our expectations seem to have fallen so low as a football club that we celebrate embarrassing achievements: drawing 0-0 against Chelsea ("we attacked for half an hour"), beat Swansea ("we won a game"), draw against Newcastle ("it was entertaining"). Somehow, against a set of opponents who are all in terrible form and near the foot of the table, LvG has managed a wholly underwhelming set of results and managed to save his job.
There's just no fun with United, it's a grind.
The way I see it after 18 months and all the money spent, we have no control of what sort of game it's going to be. The opposition always dictate the type of game it's going to be. If they decide to to attack us then they will score and more often than not get a result. If they chose to defend then there is no chance we're scoring. Sad state of affairs when a league one team is capable of dectating the temp of a game or a team that hasn't scored in 4 consecutive matches put 3 past you with relative ease.
Almost at the magical 40 point safety mark 
Welcome to the enlightened side!
Numerous times you saw bits & pieces of football that only the current super teams play. :lol:[/QUOTE said:
He'll get the sack February. But it it may be too late, because we'll be 7-8 or even 10 points off 4th with 10 -11 games to go.
We seem to be making defensive substitutions in the games all the time, even when we are behind. However there was a perfect opportunity against Newcastle in the last 5 to 8 minutes to not only bolster the defence but also waste some time. But we let one substitution go waste specially when some players (like Darmian) were visibly tired and Newcastle started to push on again towards the end.
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