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Do you want LVG sacked?

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If we want top four then I think he must go. I have no confidence anymore that he can get this squad playing balanced, half decent football.

If Rainyairy or Pinochiochatino was manager here, we would be comfortable top four. Even Mick McCarthy would have us playing like Barca...well, maybe that isn't true but at least he would be on the touchline headbutting women and children and stuff... God, I long for the days of having a manager physically assaulting other objects and bystanders just because of footy rage madness! Mick, MICK McCARTHY!!!

Bring in the eye gouger for fecks sake!
 
mu77 said:
why?
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I don't "accept it" as I find this season and LvG's reign in general, thoroughly unacceptable. Unfortunately, I think the board would have acted at the start of Jan if they had any intention of sacking him. It looks like he will be around until we can't get top four. It's grim but what can be done? The board are spineless.
 
Robbie Boy said:
He has no idea how to find any form of balance; look at the Wolfsburg game and tonight. When we try to play any semblance of expansive football, we concede at will. The only other alternative for LvG is to play dour shite, don't score and hope we don't lose. He needs to go.
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Agree and again we played Fellaini in midfield.. But now Schneiderlin had to suffer instead of Schweinsteiger. Terrible management and taking Herrera and Lingard off and keep that lump on the pitch is baffling.. But 6 wins in 20 games seems enough to keep a job at the highest level. Dreadful stuff. But to the neutral that game tonight was awesome.
 
Zed 101 said:
How can you reconcile a team that has no ability to balance attack and defence, we either attack like headless chickens or park the bus and play keepball for 90 minutes.

That LVG cannot either adapt during the game or develop players costing stratospheric amounts into a team with the capabilities that clubs with far less resources have done successfully and repeatedly is even more damning than if he stuck resiliently to the boring possession football.
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This kind of sensible answer will not go down well with the Van Gaalites.
 
dwd said:
Seems like a stupid way to run a football club...
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Doesn't make sense either, paying off his contract would be far less than the financial hit of not making the Champions League again. He can't have long left, think the pessimists just telling themselves we're stuck with him to minimize their disappointment.
 
I backed him from the start, but things have changed and some better possibilities have turned up. I would do all to try get Guardiola. If LVG was a relatively young manager it might be fine to give him time. But he is not too far from retirement, so I do believe that United need someone more long term. A long term project is needed at United now, if we can not get Guardiola, then I would suggest Simeone from Athletico Madrid. He could be a real long term choice as he is a young manager. He has also done something similar to SAF, he has managed to win a league which is traditionally won by one of 2 teams in Spain. No need to mention the 2 teams as everyone knows who they are. SAf managed to win the league in Scotland despite the fact that it was usually either Celtic or Rangers who ended up as champions. SAF also managed to win a European trophy with Aberdeen, Simeone also managed that with Athletico. Simeone has the credentials. Guardiola still first choice, but if not then Simeone. I also believe that something needs changing higher up than the manager position at United. Woodward should be sacked, we have been an absolute joke in the transfer market under him.
 
5 wins in 20 games

we have won 7/24 points in games v Leicester, West Ham, B’mouth, Norwich, Stoke, Chelsea, Swansea & Newcastle.
 
RK said:
Because it's getting boring and some are making themselves angry. I don't like to see people emotionally self-harming.
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LOl - therapy. a cry for help. please someone shoot LVG.
 
RK said:
He'll go if it becomes mathematically impossible for us to make top 4. Else, he'll stay. It's time people came to accept this.
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You'd think the board would've learned their lesson this time around. It's not like they'd have to pay off five years of a six-year contract if they sacked him beforehand.
 
arthurka said:
Terrible management and taking Herrera and Lingard off
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Lingard was hooked for missing that chance. Had to be because he was playing well otherwise. Herrera was getting nowhere in the second half when we were on the defensive. He was on a yellow and couldn't get the ball for love nor money. Not his fault he was feeding off Fellaini and a sub-par Schneiderlin.
 
18 points from 42 since October whilst also being knocked out of the CL and League cup. Scored 20 goals and conceded 19 in those 20 games.

51 points left to play for and on this continued form we will more than likely finish 6th to 8th and have our worst premier league points total ever. Since beating City 4-2 last season we have only taken 39 points from 81.

Does anyone believe in miracles because we will surely need one for this useless mug to change our fortunes.

Surely he can't see out the season.
 
Moriarty said:
Lingard was hooked for missing that chance. Had to be because he was playing well otherwise. Herrera was getting nowhere in the second half when we were on the defensive. He was on a yellow and couldn't get the ball for love nor money. Not his fault he was feeding off Fellaini and a sub-par Schneiderlin.
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No he wasn't he was being average and the fact you think he was playing well says a lot how bad we have been.
 
Redo91 said:
Didn't people say the same thing about Moyes?
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And he got sacked when it became mathematically impossible for us to get top 4. Out of champions league in midweek and then loss to everton on the weekend I think it was.
 
The Hilton said:
It's amazing how the goalposts keep moving with LvG. One minute people claim that all they want is about entertaining attacking football, and can take bad results, and then when they get the former, it's the results that matter.

Personally I still think that, barring a real turnaround, he'll be lucky to start next season as our manager, as the results haven't been good enough. But he's in a no-win situation at the moment with most of the fans on here, damned if he attacks, damned if he defends.
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No the bar does not keep moving, he simply cannot provide either. If the team won 30 matches 1-0, that would mean that United win the title. You'll get the odd moan here and there, but no one is going to to turn down the league title. The team under LvG is neither providing the entertainment, nor the results.
 
He can't come up with a complete performance. The top four is gone, just get rid and let Giggs have a go I suppose... If he does well then great, if not then bring in another manager next season.

I'm resigned to the fact Mourinho isn't coming, but it would be ideal right now to get him.
 
We'll struggle similarly with the next manager and the tune will be the same - be they Guardiola or Mourinho. The manager is not the main problem - the club structure, tailored to the specific needs and tastes of one man for a quarter of a century, is. Some rightly blame the quality of the squad - only to be shut down by those who say LvG bought those players himself.

But one can just as easily point a finger at Woodward, who has spent the last couple of transfer windows chasing fairy tales and fantasies.

Edit: Woodward, who is coincidentally a victim of that same club structure - Gill in tandem with Ferguson worked because of the men they were and the dynamic they had between them.
 
ghagua said:
No the bar does not keep moving, he simply cannot provide either. If the team won 30 matches 1-0, that would mean that United win the title. You'll get the odd moan here and there, but no one is going to to turn down the league title. The team under LvG is neither providing the entertainment, nor the results.
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we only defend well protecting the back 5 with two midfs. 250m quid on this?
 
The Hilton said:
It's amazing how the goalposts keep moving with LvG. One minute people claim that all they want is about entertaining attacking football, and can take bad results, and then when they get the former, it's the results that matter.
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Yeah but we were against a shit team today. If we'd drawn 3-3 with Spurs in that manner then it'd be different.
 
mu77 said:
we only defend well protecting the back 5 with two midfs. 250m quid on this?
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Said the same thing in another thread. We are not going to defend well when we only have Schneiderlin in the middle, and the wingers not providing any defense. Fellaini is way too slow clumsy to do anything.
 
The Hilton said:
It's amazing how the goalposts keep moving with LvG. One minute people claim that all they want is about entertaining attacking football, and can take bad results, and then when they get the former, it's the results that matter.

Personally I still think that, barring a real turnaround, he'll be lucky to start next season as our manager, as the results haven't been good enough. But he's in a no-win situation at the moment with most of the fans on here, damned if he attacks, damned if he defends.
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Absolutely no words. The whole reason he is damned is because he cannot after nearly two years in charge find the right mix/balance for the side. It is absolutely unforgivable. How in Gods name can it be acceptable for a side of our stature, with the investment given to the manager to be so blunt for so long and yet when we try and show any ambition whatsoever we look an absolute shambles defensively. Newcastle hadn't scored in 4 games yet LVG is "damned if he attacks, damned is he defends". No, he is damned because he still cannot find a winning formula 18 months into his job.
 
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I don't think asking a manager to build a Manchester United team that can both attack and defend is such a big ask.

Dare I say, that should be the basic goal of any football manager.
 
The United team is like a Whac-a-mole machine. As soon as you fix one problem, another one arises. It's been like this since SAF left.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
The United team is like a Whac-a-mole machine. As soon as you fix one problem, another one arises. It's been like this since SAF left.
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Very good anology!

Not sure why anyone expects any different given an entirely new squad being coached by an entirely new manager using different principles to the guy who was in charge for 25 years!!!!

Change management is the hardest thing of all to deliver in any industry and the most important thing to do is believe in the process and not blink when under short term pressure.
 
Moriarty said:
Lingard was hooked for missing that chance. Had to be because he was playing well otherwise. Herrera was getting nowhere in the second half when we were on the defensive. He was on a yellow and couldn't get the ball for love nor money. Not his fault he was feeding off Fellaini and a sub-par Schneiderlin.
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Fellaini was terrible the whole game and was on a yellow.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I don't think asking a manager to build a Manchester United team that can both attack and defend is such a big ask.

Dare I say, that should be the basic goal of any football manager.
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With a squad of almost entirely new players, it just takes a while.

Chelsea finished 2nd just before Roman bought them. It's now years since City bought Robiniho on transfer deadline day. Wenger has not won the league for over a decade. Barcelona were laughed at and deemed not worthy enough to sign Beckham in 2003.

I think many of our fans have very little
Understanding of how difficult it is to build a team almost from scratch.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I don't think asking a manager to build a Manchester United team that can both attack and defend is such a big ask.

Dare I say, that should be the basic goal of any football manager.
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LVG has built two dysfunctional teams so far. last yrs was better but not balanced. this season is just a mare. and 250m later we are worse now (or bloody close) than when he took over. his first season he tried the 3 at the back a few different times , doesn't work try it again. he's nothing but a stubborn old fool.
 
Why, after going 2-0 up, which feels now like the first time we've ever done that, did he not revert the team back to the usual possession game where we don't create much (we didn't need to) and don't concede much?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I don't think asking a manager to build a Manchester United team that can both attack and defend is such a big ask.

Dare I say, that should be the basic goal of any football manager.
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I know. I saw someone slating the fans on Twitter saying that we ask for attack and when we get it we ask for defence, saying we are idiots. There is something called a balance in between that most top teams have. We don't have it in the slightest. It's either 0-0 or we are all over the shop at the back. Either way, we have a very strong habit of not winning football matches.
 
mu77 said:
LVG has built two dysfunctional teams so far. last yrs was better but not balanced. this season is just a mare. and 250m later we are worse now (or bloody close) than when he took over. his first season he tried the 3 at the back a few different times , doesn't work try it again. he's nothing but a stubborn old fool.
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It's not £250m. And the net spend is closer to £150m.
 
TooBias said:
Why, after going 2-0 up, which feels now like the first time we've ever done that, did he not revert the team back to the usual possession game where we don't create much (we didn't need to) and don't concede much?
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Or even revert to try and kill them off? He seemed to revert to just invite them back into the game.
 
TooBias said:
Why, after going 2-0 up, which feels now like the first time we've ever done that, did he not revert the team back to the usual possession game where we don't create much (we didn't need to) and don't concede much?
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because he's a shit manager.
 
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