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Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Dont bother. What we are seeing are the glory hunters get agitated.

Numerous times you saw bits & pieces of football that only the current super teams play. Everybody expects United to be like bayern & barcelona over night :lol:
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No what you are seeing is our fans worrying how far we have dropped in recent times and considering where we was it obviously hurts. Never mind being a glory hunter, that doesn't even come into it at all. It is actually people like you spouting this that makes me laugh, as though you are the better fan just because you can shrug your shoulders and move on. But lets face it, no way do you think LvG should remain at the club.

Does us playing like crap make me support them any less? Nope. Does us playing like crap make me want to go and support another team? Nope. Or does me supporting Man Utd want the very best for the one of the world richest clubs? Absolutely.
 
J-Stander said:
Yep, 2 in 12 also.
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Blimey, that is getting perilously close to the record of the eye gouging cnut the majority of the Cafe apparently want to replace him with.

Arytonblue said:
If you're using the 'it's not like he told them to be shit at XYZ' you could literally use it to defend the manager at every single point of contention or failure because it's the players actually executing the game plan, not the manager (the guy supposedly responsible for the bottom line performance of the team.)

In other words, it's a bullshít cop out masquerading as an 'argument'.
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How is it any different to the people refusing to blame the players for anything?
 
what is he still doing here? Hire rio ferdinand, brucey, anyone as an interim manager but just kick this clueless senile man to his arse... how can he possible believe that fellaini can actually do anything good to our team is beyond me, him playing midfield is doing all harm, we could look all decent again with someone of a football brain and agility/mobility of a footballer not elephant.
 
We used to have clean sheets when teams were happy to let us have a ball and do feck all with it and DDG swiched to magician mode. Once we try to play a bit more offensively, our midfield and defense fall apart like a house of cards. LvG needs to leave asap and the new manager needs to coach the shite instilled by Louis out of our players. If the stubborn one stays till the end of the season, at least half of the next season will be another write off.
 
I'd honestly kick Fellaini in the chuddies if I walked past him in the street right now. I honestly think he has overtaken the mantle as our worst midfield player of the Premiership era (yes, worse than Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson).
 
Unlucky today, but still it is no win again. Unfortunately we are just a mediocre side and a change is needed to revitalise things to try to kick some life into this team.
 
Why do some find it so hard to understand that he is going nowhere even if he loses to the dippers.
 
coolredwine said:
Lingard, Fellaini missed sitters today. Even Redknapp's granny and I could have scored those. Had they got those in, we would have been out of sight without a Newcastle comeback on the horizon. The fact they didn't score, meant Newcastle always had a chance and that's football!
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Players are always going to miss chances, though. We scored a reasonable number of goals today; our problem was at the back, and as I've said LVG's inability to produce a side which can attack and defend cohesively has to return to him.

Not to mention that we were lucky to even get the draw anyway. Our own penalty could've easily been adjudged as not being one, and Newcastle could've easily gotten one of their own.

And if Fellaini and Lingard aren't good enough to be on the pitch, then LVG should be culpable for having spent so much money and still relying upon them as first team players.
 
coolredwine said:
Can't believe today's game is blamed on Louis van Gaal. :lol:
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We just threw away a 2 goal lead, then a 1 goal lead against a relegation threatened Newcastle team that had lost their lost 4 games without scoring a single goal.

We've seen numerous times this season that we're incapable of defending unless we sit two holding midfielders in front of the back four, completely stifling our attack, and that we're completely incapable of attacking without conceding multiple stupid goals.

He once again made absurd substitutions that effectively cost us the game. Lingard was hooked based on a complete knee-jerk reaction to him missing a sitter, and replaced by a player who is far less inclined to help out defensively. This threw the shape of the team and gave Newcastle an excellent channel of attack. He then took off one of our better players and left Fellaini on, based apparently on the myth that Fellaini is good defensively.

How is it not his fault?
 
On another day we win 2-3. When things aren't going for you, they're not going for you. Today wasn't a problem - it's been our attitude for most of the season. If Rooney and Depay keep improving then we're suddenly more threatening but we need momentum. I think we have to beat Liverpool personally. We have to show some intelligence on the pitch, so that if we get in a winning position, we don't piss it away like we're always liable to do. We are soft and that's a problem. We also lack winners in the squad. It's going to be tough but we have to start winning.

I wouldn't blame LVG for today. I think we should have a proper defender at the back and not a softy in Blind - but the players need to work on their finishing
 
Alex99 said:
I'd rather a midfielder with an attacking mind than no mind. Fellaini isn't a defensive midfielder. He wasn't at Standard Liege, he wasn't for Everton, he isn't for Belgium, and he isn't for us. His one use is bringing it down on his chest and passing it to someone who can actually play football.
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He was the best of a bad bunch in that role imo. I think we'd have won if Schweinsteiger, or maybe even Carrick, were fit to replace Fellaini.
 
I thought LvG stood by his famous 'philosophy' through thick and thin, the guy is supposed to be unwavering in his belief that his way is the best way?

So could someone expalin to me, why after he has been so brutally been criticised for playing his beloved possession based, and might I add winning football on Saturday does he decide to come out all guns blazing only three days later?

A completely different approach, wide open in defence, no sideways passing , players allowed to express themselves, etc, surely if he is just bending over and playing football that he is not comfortable with whenever the heat is on, (like Chelsea) then it's even more a farce than him sticking to 'his' way.
 
simonhch said:
Nonsense. The team were clearly at sixes and sevens with the new system. Our forwards look clueless when we play slow defensive football, and our defenders look clueless when we play fast attacking football. This is all about the coaching. Van Gaal doesn't know how to do transitions. There are two predictable certainties with United, if we set up to attack, we will meltdown at the back. If we set up to defend, we are completely impotent up front. It happens every single fecking time.

So ultimately when you put players in a position where chances are at a premium, there is so much pressure to score, it breeds mistakes. If you put them in an uncertain environment, such as defensive disarray, that also breeds mistakes.

This performance is reminiscent of the Leicester game lats season.

Van Gaal is a fecking clown.
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Yup.

I've come to dislike him so much I resent all the theatrical facial twitches when we miss - it feels like he's nothing to do with us - which I realise is ridiculous. I ended up swearing more at him than at the missers.
 
We're a dreadful team, reliant on a few individuals to occasionally come through.

If Smalling/De Gea play well we keep a clean sheet, if they don't we're fecked. Occasionally one of our forwards pull a trick out as well, and we occasionally score a goal.
 
Sied said:
He obviously doesn't view him as a centre mid. Even if he did, Pereira is not a defensive minded player. Newcastle were cutting us open through the centre too easily as it was.
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In no small part thanks to Fellaini - he's been utterly useless all season.
 
Sied said:
He was the best of a bad bunch in that role imo. I think we'd have won if Schweinsteiger, or maybe even Carrick, were fit to replace Fellaini.
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We could have easily brought him off for McNair and moved Blind into midfield.
 
coolredwine said:
Lingard, Fellaini missed sitters today. Even Redknapp's granny and I could have scored those. Had they got those in, we would have been out of sight without a Newcastle comeback on the horizon. The fact they didn't score, meant Newcastle always had a chance and that's football!
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We conceded goals to a Newcastle side that hadn't scored in there last 4.
 
Isn't there a clause with the Adidas shirt deal that we had to be in the CL by 2016/17? Or has that already been negated from qualifying this season?

Saying this because I'm actually worried for top 4.
 
Will we actually wait for until the point that we have nontheoretical chance to finish fourth this season to sack him? The board is sleeping it seems
 
I think I'd actually go a whole month without beating my meat if it meant the end of LVG at United.

A whole fecking month!
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I was annoyed that he hauled Jesse off for missing a chance. If he had been managing us when Andy Cole played for us he wouldn't have been on the pitch for 5 minutes. Strikers do miss chances. The pundits in the MUTV said Wayne Rooney looked flabbergasted when Herrera was taken off.
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He might have taken him off for missing the chance, but right now that's speculative and let's not forget Depays run did create waynes goal.
 
If Liverpool beat Arsenal tomorrow and beat us at the weekend then they go above us.

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How did we ever put ourselves in such a position?
 
To be fair to him it was an improvement to the away form. I fully expected us to lose this game today.

At one point we were on the ropes when they made it 2-2.

Most likely he'll finish the season or be here until we lose a chance for the top 4.
 
simonhch said:
Nonsense. The team were clearly at sixes and sevens with the new system. Our forwards look clueless when we play slow defensive football, and our defenders look clueless when we play fast attacking football. This is all about the coaching. Van Gaal doesn't know how to do transitions. There are two predictable certainties with United, if we set up to attack, we will meltdown at the back. If we set up to defend, we are completely impotent up front. It happens every single fecking time.

So ultimately when you put players in a position where chances are at a premium, there is so much pressure to score, it breeds mistakes. If you put them in an uncertain environment, such as defensive disarray, that also breeds mistakes.

This performance is reminiscent of the Leicester game lats season.

Van Gaal is a fecking clown.
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Aye.

His team, his signings, his responsibility.
 
m1y2 said:
Will we actually wait for until the point that we have nontheoretical chance to finish fourth this season to sack him? The board is sleeping it seems
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Worked wonders with Moyes, so why not do it again? :wenger:
 
Raw said:
Isn't there a clause with the Adidas shirt deal that we had to be in the CL by 2016/17? Or has that already been negated from qualifying this season?

Saying this because I'm actually worried for top 4.
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Negated. We have to not qualify two years in a row.
 
soap said:
In no small part thanks to Fellaini - he's been utterly useless all season.
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I'm not defending Fellaini by the way. He was shite. I'm just not sure LVG had a better option given our injuries.
 
m1y2 said:
Will we actually wait for until the point that we have nontheoretical chance to finish fourth this season to sack him? The board is sleeping it seems
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Most likely. Just like we did with Moyes.
 
Ryan7 said:
Newcastle have a relatively decent record against the big teams. They've not been totally demolished except for against City. They've lost narrowly or beaten teams such as Liverpool and Spurs. This was never going to be an easy game if that's what you expected.
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If you get an easy penalty and go 1 up and then score a good second goal to go 2 up I would except the team to bring home the 3 points. They didn't finish the most important chances and they defended like headless chickens and lost all control over the game. For a team playing under manager that prouds itself of playing such dominant football this was an absolutley phatetic performance, no control at all.

We then even get lucky at the end that Rooney can score the 3th goal to still bring home the 3 points but can't even hold out for a couple more minutes.

If anything this game has tought me is to how good damn awfull our defenders are, I'am talking about Blind and Darmian in particular and how easy they get beaten. If they aren't covered by the defensive organisation of the entire team that holds us back attacking, we are easily one of the easiest teams in the league to score against. It seems like we need to play in defensive organisation for 90 minutes long just to not get totally slaughtered by our opponents even if those opponenets are the fecking 18th placed team in the league...
 
6 wins in 20 games. Seriously what kind of shit is this. It's getting beyond a joke now. Gets 7m a year for being a very bad manager, we are mugs on and off the pitch it seems.
 
coolredwine said:
Lingard, Fellaini missed sitters today. Even Redknapp's granny and I could have scored those. Had they got those in, we would have been out of sight without a Newcastle comeback on the horizon. The fact they didn't score, meant Newcastle always had a chance and that's football!
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right what about the last 20 matches or winning 2 in 12. he's fecked united up to the point where we can't play going forward without looking like divs at the back.
 
Silverman said:
We conceded goals to a Newcastle side that hadn't scored in there last 4.
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But they really should have in those games. They missed open goals. I'm not defending Van Gaal as I want him out but I don't think it's fair to beat him with that. We gave away a penalty (should have been 2) and just individual mistakes.

My biggest worry is that this result gives Van Gaal exactly what he wants:

1) Bides time with a more entertaining performance - like Chelsea
2) Proves his point to the players that the possession game is better than this open one as we didn't concede in that and theoretically have a better chance of winning a game if we hog the ball for 70% the time.
 
Alex99 said:
We could have easily brought him off for McNair and moved Blind into midfield.
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Hmm maybe. That's the most viable alternative, but it's always risky tinkering with the centre back partnership.

The real solution is buying a long term replacement for Carrick. His injury record has made him too unreliable in the past few seasons unfortunately.
 
NJM78 said:
6 wins in 20 games. Seriously what kind of shit is this. It's getting beyond a joke now. Gets 7m a year for being a very bad manager, we are mugs on and off the pitch it seems.
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He recently said he gets paid lots of money and doesn't do anything. Yep, Louie, that much is obvious.
 
LARulz said:
But they really should have in those games. They missed open goals. I'm not defending Van Gaal as I want him out but I don't think it's fair to beat him with that. We gave away a penalty (should have been 2) and just individual mistakes.

My biggest worry is that this result gives Van Gaal exactly what he wants:

1) Bides time with a more entertaining performance - like Chelsea
2) Proves his point to the players that the possession game is better than this open one as we didn't concede in that and theoretically have a better chance of winning a game if we hog the ball for 70% the time.
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Perhaps, but that's arguably been disproved by our poor form and the number of 0-0 draws we're involved in.
 
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