I'll go with this. I have the feeling that with lvg we'll always make top four but no further, and with dour football to boot.
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I'll go with this. I have the feeling that with lvg we'll always make top four but no further, and with dour football to boot.
Must remind them of the 2011-2012 Champions League
Never really liked it as it leads to plastic food.
I'm not sure we will. I can see us dropping out of the top 4 over Christmas and unless we spend obscene amounts of money in January I can't see us getting back in.
No, that what VG calls Fellaini
It makes you realise just how unacceptable it is; none of the other giants would accept this, so why do we?
If you look at his record post Ajax, it's clear to see he stabilises clubs and helps them reach Europe. But beyond that he does not take them past that level. He is too cautious to risk games we are drawing, and when we need to win games we don't have the ability to turn on the killer instinct because it is not in our nature and 'philosophy'.
We have some players with great ability in our squad but they haven't been given the freedom to shine, maybe it is on them to take it into their on hands, but then risk being dropped from the first team. I think he needs the backing from the board until the end of the season so we still perform well in the league and retain a champions league space.
We have some players with great ability in our squad but they haven't been given the freedom to shine, maybe it is on them to take it into their on hands, but then risk being dropped from the first team. I think he needs the backing from the board until the end of the season so we still perform well in the league and retain a champions league space.
United will have conditions set out in his contract similar to those of Moyes. If he manages to mathematically keep the club in top 4 he'll see out this season. The best case scenario for those not wishing him to continue is to hope for his resignation.
I think that severely downplays his past record - he won the league (and some domestic cups) with every club he managed, thats 4 clubs in 3 different countries. Also did reach CL final with Bayern and took a very average Dutch squad to WC semis.
Personally I think talk of getting rid of him is premature, he's had a dodgy couple of months but we are still in contention for the league and have 2 other cups to go for so lets see where we are at at the end of the season.
He's gone from ' making history together ' and ' winning the league this season and the UCL next' to talking about building a team for his successor, and how the team lacks this and that. Its eerily like the excuses we had to endure with Moyes.
I think the fans arent buying into it anymore though. His supporters will point to a lack of patience and spoiltness over years of success, but having been at Bayern for example, who had struggled themselves prior to his arrival (Stuttgart and Wofsburg had won the last two titles before his arrival), he'll know that transition can only last for so long.
He's not the right manager it seems. Some dreadful transfer business, awful substitutions, dire football, Rooney policy.
Not point sacking him now if we're looking for someone like Pep/Ancelotti, if they're available at the end of the season then that's when he should go.
If Giggs is going to be the next manager then LVG can go whenever results dictate.
Not point sacking him now if we're looking for someone like Pep/Ancelotti, if they're available at the end of the season then that's when he should go.
If Giggs is going to be the next manager then LVG can go whenever results dictate.
That's pretty bad; we really did under-perform.
I'm sure LVG is aware of this and is privately embarrassed about going out, while teams with smaller budgets and less money made it into the next round.
LVG's ego would've taken a huge hit.
This is not to be taken very seriously, but I had this thought right after he subbed Powell on: Either this is, in fact, the good (or bad, depending on how you see it) old Van Gaal: Trying to pull off a bit of tactical magic. Shades of Krul and whatnot. Doing his thing straight in the face of expectations and conventional logic.
Or - it's him just going through the motions. Just taking the piss, almost.
Or - which is the worst scenario - it's actual desperation, not gambling like a gambler, but like a bum who sticks his last penny on a hopeless number without any...hope, let alone conviction.
Don't know if he would have that long if some of these lot were in charge. To me it feels like a culture focused on instant gratification without the ability to give someone a chance even when things are going poorly. Shit, I bet if half of the people here were judged as harshly on their work performance as they judge LVG they would be out of a job. The expectation of results AND an entertaining play style RIGHT NOW goes to show how unappreciated the building process often is.
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I would say this, if the Krul thing had backfired he'd have been slaughtered, but it worked and he got some fantastic press, press no doubt he has stashed in some sort of scrap book at home that he looks at when things aren't going so well to remind him of how great he is.
But the Powell one went wrong and the knives are out for him right now, so time to open he scrap book to remind himself of how great he is...
Seriously though I do think he does certain things just on the off chance they work so his ego can be boosted further, playing Fellaini as a striker, Rooney in midfield, Young at left and right back, Varela out from the cold, Powell out from the North Pole, Valdes sent to the North Pole, kids galore been given a chance, Lingard been the golden boy, Hernandez sold, 3-5-2, Januzaj been a regular starter then suddenly loaned, the list is endless. Yes some are calculated risks but some are just odd.
I don't want him out just yet, but it is all getting a bit tiresome now.
I think there's a good chance both parties will part ways at the end of the season. If we treat the Europa League like the last time, we'll go out against the first decent team we face. I don't see him winning the FA Cup either and in the Premier League we'll probably be between 2nd and 4th. Coupled with the football we play, United could argue they want a change of direction and we'll just pay him his last year.
Amazing how his odds have dropped for the next manager to leave/sacked from his job, he's gone from 40/1 to 5/1 with some bookmakers.
I can't see him leaving before the end of season myself, if he did it would be of his own accord in my opinion.
I can't see him leaving before the end of season myself, if he did it would be of his own accord in my opinion.
Am I being naive if I think a "mutual" separation is possible this summer, with a top 4 finish and assuming we don't win the league? I don't expect him to go down like Moyes, very obviously being sacked for what amounts to gross incompetence. Mostly because he's far more competent than Moyes ever was with us, Champions League campaign notwithstanding. Sure, he's being helped by all our title rivals also struggling to various degrees, but at the very least we're not the embarrassment against other good teams that we were under Moyes.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking. Ideally we will stick with him until the end of the season, before grabbing someone like Guardiola or Ancelotti.
Does LvG even do mutual separations?
So you are saying that his whole mentality and approach has nothing to do with how poorly we are at creating chances and how impotent we are in possession?
The problem is in my head? Maybe it is your head that needs checking. Having trouble connecting their instincts with the tactics and the pace in the EPL? What the heck are you smoking? The majority of these players have been playing in England for a lengthy period of time. It's true that they are clearing not connecting their instincts with LVG's tactics but it's because his set up doesn't allow for individual expression. It's fundamental football; pass and move and make supporting runs. We don't seem to be able to do this. It's disgraceful. I was just watching the game between Spurs and West Brom where they drew 1-1. Even in that game the football was a hell lot more fluid than our's. If you think that the problem lies with our players and not the manager who has refused to play to the strengths of the team, I'm glad you aren't in charge.
And sadly its worked. Anyone on here that shows any sort of ambition, or questions the results/performance/style etc etc is quickly jumped on or labeled a glory hunter by some.
How anyone can think that what we are seeing is acceptable for a club of our size and wealth, and after spending so much money, is beyond me. We have the 3rd most expensive squad in Europe, yet we've been knocked out of the CL group stage, partially by a team who's best player we bought this Summer, knocked out of the league cup by a Championship team. Are the 9th highest scorers in the league, whilst creating on average the same amount of chances as teams in the relegation zone. We play dire football, and quite rightly are being ridiculed in the press.
I geuninly don't understand how that can be acceptable to some.
Not only acceptable to them. They defend it.
I accepted this performance last year because we were in the rebuilding stage after moyes left our team for pretty much dead, and van gaal deserves credit for making us play organized football again.
but this is second year and I expect better improved performances, building on the basics we built up last season and transitioning that to playing a more fluid attacking football. so far this hasn't happened and it doesn't look like it will happen under van gaal.
We are paying now for the underinvestment of 2009-2013. Replacing Ronaldo with Owen, Valencia and Obertan for example. Fergie managed to over-extract quality from our squad which lead to a few more league titles with poor/little competition while we regressed in Europe, getting knocked out the group stages to Basel in 2012 for example.
Yes we've spent big in the last 18 months but it's only to make up for years of doing nothing. We've also invested a large sum into players with huge potential. I have faith in Shaw, Memphis and Martial becoming excellent players for us in time. Herrera and Mata are both class acts when on song also. Other than Di Maria and Falcao completely flopping, I don't think our business has been that bad under LvG. We've also had to cope with big injury lists during both his years, albeit that may not just be down to bad luck as such.
Not going to act as if it's all roses but it's not as bad as some are making out. The media have the pitchforks out for us and now's a time to stand together and back the team and manager rather than joining in and stamping all over them.
Yes we've spent big in the last 18 months but it's only to make up for years of doing nothing. We've also invested a large sum into players with huge potential. I have faith in Shaw, Memphis and Martial becoming excellent players for us in time. Herrera and Mata are both class acts when on song also. Other than Di Maria and Falcao completely flopping, I don't think our business has been that bad under LvG. We've also had to cope with big injury lists during both his years, albeit that may not just be down to bad luck as such.
Not going to act as if it's all roses but it's not as bad as some are making out. The media have the pitchforks out for us and now's a time to stand together and back the team and manager rather than joining in and stamping all over them.
Bleacher Report suggesting LvG may have to win league this season in order to save his job....also it would seem the United players were bewildered with the Mata sub.
Even Powell probably was, "What, me? Really? Why?!"
I think he lost his life savings to Bernie Madoff..
He lost a few million there, but has earned another 40 million since. Don't worry, he's got the money thing out of the way, and he has always accepted really low salaries if it was a job he really wanted to do. He's way to ambitious to find money really important.
He lost 6 million euros.
Telegraaf says that it was 1.5m and it wasn't an individual investment. So, significantly less than 6m.
I hear ya. It's never that easy, though. Those who want LVG out aren't all doing the above (joining in and stamping all over, that is). Many of them have United's best interest in mind. Some are whining too loudly and some almost seem to take pleasure in seeing LVG (and United) ridiculed in the media. But not all.
It should be possible to be highly critical of both LVG and the English media (who are a rotten bunch with few exceptions).
Weak internet source.
World soccer talk said 6. And Benny paid for it handsomely, 110 years.
FullTimeDevils just done a debate show;
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the guy defending louis van holland drinks shit beer and he loves herrera more than LVH and says rooney's past it so why make him undroppable.
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He was playing so well for us wasn't he. Outstanding every time he took to the field.
He most certainly wasn't the worst player on the pitch.
Suggests there was a problem with the management of a talented goal scorer doesn't it?
I don't think it does tbf. Hernandez attitude is/was the issue.
He stank the place up and made Rooney look competent. Revitalising his career after is no surprise. It only goes to show how poor his attitude was here.
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I get the feeling LVG disliked him from the moment he came, from the pre season tour where he said he couldn't perform his wishes.
Poor man management IMO but Chica obv had a role to play there too.
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