LvG out, Berlusconi in.
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Ordinarily I'd be prepared to give him till the end of his contract. However, this is not going to be your regular summer for managers. Guardiola and Ancelotti will both be available and the club cannot afford to leave themselves with a longer term problem knowing LVG was only ever here for 3 years. They've got to move this summer to ensure they get the correct long term appointment or we face another Moyes scenario.
Watching us play feels like torture these days. If he's here beyond next summer, I am just going to hope we somehow sign some world class players to make things more bearable.
He's gone this summer. Two seasons with us - just like he had at Bayern.
That's the spirit! I highly doubt we'll sack him, from the vibe Woodward gives off when talking about him, though that was before we got dumped out of the CL. For some reason I just feel this difficult period now is the hard work we need to get through before the rewards come. Maybe I'm just clinging at straws....
It is over for him here, this season will turn to utter shit starting now, the attacking play in general has been shit but that performance at home to psv was alarm bells stuff, it was incredibly poor given what was at stake, that spoke volumes of all not being well behind the scenes, thousands left with 10 mins to play, there has been booing on several occasions, the already disorientated looking team will now be demoralised after the CL, the injury crisis has struck an already head scratchingly light squad by design with no goals in it and we have to play the tougher half of our league campaign, that is obvious to point out but the biggest issue is we most likely won't even get top 4, which could be problematic attracting a new manager and players.
Would be nice to know how many of these injuries are between the players ears.
He really needs us to beat Bournemouth at the weekend.
Either blind or naive
Yes it assumes a world beater wants to come and be made to look ordinary by edging games on half scraps of chances in order to allow the rest of the team to sit back. It's nonsense.
More likely LvG is trying to stabilise the defence so that it eventually becomes confident and organised enough to play a more attacking style without instantly shipping goals. It's sound thinking but bloody boring to watch. I look forward to the end of this phase of the rebuild.
Pretty sure Blind is happy for him to stay. Is Naive a youth team player?
Maybe because it's believing that the situation won't change without another transfer window (not the poxy January one), hence reserving judgement until real business can be done......It's not that unreasonable, is it?
Nah, if he was then he'd have probably been thrown into the deep end without preparation last night.
Thinking back to the 2012 /13 season which was won on the back of RVP, it's not unreasonable to think if we got a few players with that kind of caliber, that we could get back to winning ways. We were trash that season, yet because we won the title, we turn a blind eye....
Because it should be painfully obvious that our problems won't be solved by transfers. The problems lie with how he's managed the team; his decisions regarding tactics and our whole approach to football. Its not like this is the first time this has happened in his career; many former players have spoken about the sucking out of life and instinct. The excuse last season was that we needed another transfer window too. How many windows do we need? Look at clubs like Leicester. If you seriously want to tell me that they have better players than we do then go take a hike off a cliff. We are the club that creates among the fewest chances in the league despite our focus on possession despite on how much we've spent. Palace put 4 past Newcastle whom we could only draw 0-0 with. The cancer is the system and our whole approach.
LOL nice one. maybe we need to go digital and not vinyl! less cracking and popping.
I read that you want to wait until summer I'd normally agree but this team needs some legs in January , especially up top. but I'd look for a fb too one who can play in a back 4 and attack. I not sure I'm up for another season of the same stuff really.
Yes, but it's possible that he thinks on balance, that our interests will be better served with this pragmatic style until there is a higher probablity that taking chances in the final third, will lead to us scoring. If we were more clinical then the results would have fallen our way. In the long term, that pragmatism may just see us through, until the next phase of his strategy (hopefully with world class forwards coming our way). I'd rather he stuck with his 'master plan' than changing it to suit those who don't have the patience to see it unfold.....that would show lack of leadership and belief in his own ideas. That's why I think you either commit now to him leading us this and next season or just sack him now because there won't be any dramatic difference in our playing style this season, that's for sure. I don't believe we will do the latter so, we will have to grin and bear it. For some, that will be torture I can see that. There are still some tactical and selection issues I reserve judgement on though, for instance, the role if any Herrera will play and what he does with Rooney. On the whole though, I am satisfied that he is still the right man for the job..
Nah, digital is all about 0's and 1's and we all know how that would go down here!This
Spot on, he's not got anywhere near getting the best out of what he's got, apart from di Maria he's not fully squandered the cash, he's just not used with what he has been given right. Look at the buys, Darmien, blind, rojo, shaw, Herrera, bastian Morgan, di Maria, Memphis, martial, that is almost a first 11, let's put a starting 11 with these players
Darmien rojo blind shaw
Bastian Morgan
Herrera
Memphis di Maria
Martial
Apart from shaw getting injured with what he has bought, that's almost a starting 11
Seems he wants an attacking player that can mask the deep problems within the team, like what robben was doing for Holland in the World Cup. He even said on these lines we need a Neymar
I definitely agree that Herrera has been under used but still hold out for a change of fortunes for him. The way he sees football and the way the majority of fans want to see how we play seems to be in direct opposition. The ride, therefore, will not be pleasant I imagine. Success by the way of results may go someway to mitigate that, but I can't see things improving a whole lot until next season when he's had a chance to recruit. Right now, the style of football coupled with the lack of results is creating a poisonous atmosphere. It's not doing our beloved club any favours whatsoever.
Absolutely spot on.
When I watch United matches at home nowadays, I either fall asleep or do something else with my tablet. When I pay attetion, I see our players intentionally slowing down the tempo so that opponents can move back to their half for defence. I see a lot of lateral and backward passes to give opponents more time to form a proper defence formation. I am really sick and tired of watching this boring bullshit of football over and over. I don't know why I am wathing this bullshit.
Whatever others say, LVG took the joy of wathing United matches from me. He should have been sacked months ago. Sack him and sack him right away.
Whatever others say, LVG took the joy of wathing United matches from me. He should have been sacked months ago. Sack him and sack him right away.
Can't argue with how you feel. We are passionate fans after all, but I bet you know deep down, he's not going to be sacked now midway through the season. Wait till Herrerra gets back, I reckon we'll be alright to watch then!
From past history, when the pressure starts ramping up this much with Louis, things usually dont get better , they get worse.
See Barca/Bayern stints. Remember the Van Gaal at the beginning of his time here who didnt blame referees or injuries for poor results, that seems a million miles away now. He loses it when the pressure gets to him. Prepare yourself for even more bizarre selections, having a go at the media (they'll have him for breakfast, they have been waiting for this), player fallouts and some weird excuses.
All this actually happened. In the Barca press conference when he first resigned, he had a go at the Spanish press for costing him his job. It was quite a bizzare rant at the time.
I wouldnt miss his press conferences from now on. You'll see why soon.
I think it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. LVG has helped put us a in a stronger position compared to where Moyes left us. If Pep is available, do everything in our power to lure him here or try and get someone like Ancelotti. Thank Louis for his efforts and have a mutual separation at the end of the season. Also, just hope he gets us in the top 3 this season.
EDIT: I think there should be another option to the poll. Sack him at the end of the season. Sacking him now is not really a viable option considering where we are in the league and the availability of other managers. Also, there need not be any 'evaluation' at the end of the season because by that time the likes of Pep and Ancelotti may not even be available anymore. So work out a deal with either of those two and say goodbye to LVG at the end of the season.
EDIT: I think there should be another option to the poll. Sack him at the end of the season. Sacking him now is not really a viable option considering where we are in the league and the availability of other managers. Also, there need not be any 'evaluation' at the end of the season because by that time the likes of Pep and Ancelotti may not even be available anymore. So work out a deal with either of those two and say goodbye to LVG at the end of the season.
That bold part is not even a conjecture at this point. We needed a win (by any margin) against Wolfsburg and we lost. So it is not like we are speculating if he is capable of getting us to play or win like that.
We're not getting Neymar either way.
Indeed I am more pissed off because he won't get sacked anytime soon. Injustice.
And there you are missing the point again, and completely so. Any team can cry "if only we had been more clinical we would've won or scored" in any game. Our problem is the lack of chances we create because of LVG's approach to possession football. It is now clear that he views possession as an end product rather than s means to an end. It's almost as if winning the match is an added bonus so long as we win the possession stat. I don't believe there is any more "next phase" as you so suggest.
You mentioned that you'd rather him stick to his master plan than change it for the benefit of impatient people. I'd strongly argue that his plans since coming here have never been a good fit for the players at his disposal or the club, never mind impatient supporters. We have all the players needed to play a tempo based attacking style with an emphasis on possession and yet he refuses to take the gloves off. He insists on shackling players to his specific demands and we have already seen instances of players voicing their concern if not unhappiness. If he is too stubborn to play to the strengths of the team then I don't consider him adequate for the job at all.
World class forwards will not help us create more chances if the system and set up and approach is so negative and slow. As I said in the previous post, the problem is a hell lot more systematic than personnel hence my citing of other clubs in the league who are supposed to be beneath us in the status quo but consistently outcreate and out score us. Do they have world class forwards? NO.
Aren't we actually one of the the most clinical teams in the league? If not the most clinical? No team is going to take all of their chances, or most of them, or anywhere near most of them.
The fact that we have scored as many goals as we have, which is not very many, is down to the players actually taking their cahcnes. If that stops happening - like against Wolfsburg - or if we stop defending properly - like against Wolfsburg - we're going to be in for a rude awakening. Like against Wolfsburg.
No, they haven't. If you want to go by former player's opinions about him, listen to all of them and reach the conclusion you don't like.
It doesn't change the fact that the problem is systematic. What's your point?
No, the problem isn't there, it's just in your own head. From the few hundred players he has worked with in his career there are a few who have complaints about him. The others are either positive or extremely positive. I don't think it's a coincidence that the players who are negative about him are generally selfish players who were already in decline.
The problem is that a lot of the players now have trouble to connect their instincts with the tactics in the pace of the PL. That has led to some really annoying dwelling and poor attacking, but I see progress allthough it's not linear.
We are not exactly clinical, we have scored 60% of our league goals during 4 of our 15 and we have the 10th shotting accuracy.
But we lost the group against PSV we played really well against Wolfsburg.
I really don't get this concept. Yes we passed up a chance to go through against PSV but we should still be good enough to get a result against Wolfsburg. Who the hell are we West Brom that we are happy with losing by one goal against Wolfsburg? It's like all the people who are going on about how well we did against West Ham? We drew at home against West Ham. How can anybody be happy with that?
Is this how far our standards have fallen over the last 18 months that we should be proud and happy to lose to Wolfsburg and draw with West Ham?
And no I'm not arguing with you I'm building on the point you are making. I think?
You do wonder how much fight LvG really has in him nowadays, he'll be a very rich man, he's knocking on now, his wife wants him to retire, and he's made no secret of his love for his home in Portugal, he has also continually said he's off after the third season, and recently even stated that as soon as there is a hint of losing the players he's off.
I just wonder if he's lost his edge and is almost looking for an excuse to walk.
We have a nice run now so don't think anything will happen for a while, but would not surprise me one bit if he's not here next season.
I just wonder if he's lost his edge and is almost looking for an excuse to walk.
We have a nice run now so don't think anything will happen for a while, but would not surprise me one bit if he's not here next season.
surely the money men at United wont be too impressed reading this.
LvG has cleverly played down expectations of fans in order to make under-achievement palatable. It's one aspect of management.
Agreed. "Process" is fast becoming one of my least favourite words in the English dictionary.
I am patiently waiting for the day he leaves. I don't expect it to ever be before a season ends.
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