So is it really the case that Bobby Charlton is part of the reason Mourinho isn't being appointed. Bit tragic really, in more ways than one.
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The LVG cultists are subtle, though. They like to stress that they don't actually fancy LVG all that much. That's their game. In fact, come to think of it, YOU strike me as a typical LVG cultist - too clever by half, yes...stirring up anti-Rooney sentiments all over the place to distance yourself from the *********** and his love of all things Wayne...oh, yes, you've got a tulip and a pair of clogs up yer sleeve, Steve, possibly even a mini-windmill (and those are the worst).
agree. that is why I think a plan to sell is in place. We may very well sign some big stars. But that only means our portfolio looks good to a future buyer. van Gaal has played this well. If you want me gone, pay off my contract. I wont resign. Or I can dish out this rubbish. Think he has tired of the players and Giggs going behind his back to Fergie and co. If that article about the Dutch technical director job is true, you can see a rationale.
Giggs with Fergie advising him would actually worry me more than Giggs without Fergie advising him. If we did hire Giggs it should be because we (rightly or wrongly) believe he is outstanding enough to do the job in his own right. Talk of SAF advising him would remind me of similar stories we heard during the Moyes reign that made me think our manager's authority was coming solely from his connection to our previous manager.
Yep, I don't mind Fergie being around as a figure for Giggs to occasionally go to if he wants to discuss something/get a bit of advice, because having one of the greatest managers of all-time around can certainly have its uses...but if Fergie's going to be there to hold Giggs' hand constantly then he'd be as well coming out of retirement.
actually it reminds me of Michael Corleone telling his men that his father is now his best advisor.
If Fergie does step in as an advisor, it would be until the end of the next season when Giggs was supposed to take over anyways. I don't see a problem there.
Wayne Rooney must be Clemenza then.
wonder who is Tessio?
Didn't Sir Bobby veto Mourinho's appointment when Fergie retired?
tbf I think the Glazers/Woody are using Charlton to further their own ends. Charlton would have rightly expressed his concerns with his background. Woody could never handle Mourinho.
So the story goes.
Woodward probably.
Oh yeah, everyone chipping in to make Giggs' dream come true. Hopefully he isn't a rubbish manager.
I wouldn't take much that Paul Smith writes as gospel mate.
I actually don't mind Charlton being against the appointment of Mourinho...he does make plenty of valid points about the guy; many of which have been made by posters around here. At least he's clear regarding his opinion on the matter. Any claims that it weakens his legacy at the club are a bit daft, to be honest.
Still though, I would be a bit pissed off if the entire board are for Mourinho and it's only Charlton who's holding them back, refusing to listen to their views on the guy...especially considering he presumably supported the disastrous appointment of Moyes. But that's probably not the case. I'm sure there are plenty at the club who have their reservations about Mourinho (possibly even Fergie), since he is a marmite figure, and I'd expect that his season with Chelsea will have only turned more people against the possibility of his appointment.
Still though, I would be a bit pissed off if the entire board are for Mourinho and it's only Charlton who's holding them back, refusing to listen to their views on the guy...especially considering he presumably supported the disastrous appointment of Moyes. But that's probably not the case. I'm sure there are plenty at the club who have their reservations about Mourinho (possibly even Fergie), since he is a marmite figure, and I'd expect that his season with Chelsea will have only turned more people against the possibility of his appointment.
There is no cult in Europe, except where he is held up as a stoneage manager. Many fans still believe in him irrespective of his garbage off and on the pitch. It just shows how a period of failure clouds judgement, in our case treating a desperate 0-0 as salvation. The last three seasons shows just how much crap the fans can take and yet still shell out more money.
So are we all going to hate Bobby Charlton now? Give me a bit of warning so I can prepare the plane and banner.
Don't worry, Rooney will get to put his oar in as well
wasn't there an interview with Charlton and he said how Fergie "admires" Mourinho, but doesn't at all like him?
I posted earlier about the surreal atmosphere among the pundits and chat programmes after the game. Criticism just dropped away or was fielded. Strange days indeed.
In another forum, I posed the notion of Giggs as coach with Fergie as director of football during the Moyes debacle. TBH I feel uncomfortable with us following such a policy now.
Jose is looking like a deal breaker so the gang must be following the path of least resistance by tolerating LVG with the odd interventions from Fergie. Bizarre way to treat with success.
Can anyone handle Jose?
everything feels surreal to me. I'm just trying to rationalise what has been happening. I could be completely off. But tolerating these performances without action is frightening.
Fergie. Because he respects him like God.
I'm sorry I defended LvG for some time but whose fault is that? Leaving the squad thin was his own idea. Everyone knew we were short of strikers and he sells hernandez, that our wingers were also less and he sent adnan on loan and didnt buy a top class experienced winger, we all knew how injury prone our defence is but he didnt want to add depth.
Sorry but all this is definitely on LVG. It is definitely fair to criticize him for the tactics, for the squad not having enough depth, for the horrible style of football and for not kicking Rooney out or atleast to the bench more frequently.
Giggs with SAF advising is a terrible, terrible idea. I'd rather we stuck with van Gaal.
I think I'm in a minority of people who think we will still get top 3/4. Despite a dreadful run we are still only 5 points off Spurs. Up until the injuries started decimating our defence we were very difficult to beat remember.
The biggest issue for me this season has been Depay's woeful season, I think it has been a massive issue and injuries to Darmien, Shaw and Valencia means it's been difficult to drop him as Young has had to cover the fullback positions. This is of course LVG's fault has he sold too many players in the summer, I would have kept hold of Nani and Hernandez personally. Though those may have wanted guarantees of first team football which he was unable to give. We don't know all the details.
I do think we will make a signing or two in January though, and we will push on from there, coupled with players coming back from injury I think we will have a much better second half to the season.
Blind optimism maybe but it's better than being miserable.
I think I'm in a minority of people who think we will still get top 3/4. Despite a dreadful run we are still only 5 points off Spurs. Up until the injuries started decimating our defence we were very difficult to beat remember.
The biggest issue for me this season has been Depay's woeful season, I think it has been a massive issue and injuries to Darmien, Shaw and Valencia means it's been difficult to drop him as Young has had to cover the fullback positions. This is of course LVG's fault has he sold too many players in the summer, I would have kept hold of Nani and Hernandez personally. Though those may have wanted guarantees of first team football which he was unable to give. We don't know all the details.
I do think we will make a signing or two in January though, and we will push on from there, coupled with players coming back from injury I think we will have a much better second half to the season.
Blind optimism maybe but it's better than being miserable.
As great a legend as Sir Bobby is, unless he is the Director of Football or chair person or unless he is able to come up with a manager of equal stature as Mourinho, we can't really let him veto this (provided he did actually veto it of which we have no proof in the first place). In fact the credibility of anyone who had their hand in selecting Moyes would severely drop when it comes to selecting the next manager.
I, however, have another theory that I've been thinking of that might explain what we are doing giving LvG time.
Maybe, Pep Guardiola hasn't made his mind up on his next job and perhaps he might be keen on the United job. In such a case, we cannot get a top class manager on an interim basis so it comes down to LvG and Giggs and in such a case, the club would probably be doing the right thing in backing LvG in the Jan window and hoping he gets top 4.
If we are working on Guardiola it would explain why Woodward apparently told LVG he didn't want him to resign. It would have put the board in a difficult position in terms of an interim manager, I've yet to come across a good suggestion. Mourinho wouldn't accept an interim position and I am not one of the ones who is infatuated with seeing Giggs installed.
All a very delicate situation.
Couldn't agree more. The squad depth is his fault and is a sackable offence only, especially given how many players got injured last season he should know better. Our squad after the transfer window had closed looked more like an squad going to play in an international tournament as a pose to 50+ game season.
Where has this Giggs/Fergie rumour come from? Seems like rubbish to me, Fergie is finished with football management.
No idea, just saw it mentioned on the last page. I'd say it's probably 100% nonsense.
Not really buying into that theory, but if you are right then he has failed in not bringing the right players to make his philosophy work.
Surely rather than appoint a manager who has such a rigid mindset, and one who has to have everything just so for it work was a bad idea for the start, it's not a style anyone likes, and he has dispensed with players that could have been fantastic under a different manager - Hernandez, ADM, and Januzaj instantly spring to mind but there are certainly more.
It would have all been a lot less painful, and potentaully a lot cheaper if we'd have just hired a manager that wasn't intent on changing the playing style so drastically, and one who wasn't so arrogant in doing it.
This all falls under my theory that he was only appointed in the first place because he was the only manager available that fell into the 'big name' category, they felt they needed this after Moyes, and rather than wait or appoint someone slightly less well known, they just plumped for Louis because that's all there was, and I don't believe Woodward dug too deeply to find out the potential implications of such an appointment. But we a now so deep into the 'process' I fear we are just going to press on regardless.
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Paul Smith of the Daily Mirror was quoted on some obscure website called sportsmole or something.
The narrative is shot with too many holes to make any sense. From the massive imbalances between transfers in and out to the quality of our football; from LVG's deceptions with irrational statements that change daily to Fergie's appearances; then treating 0-0 as a turnaround just two days after a disastrous 2-0 away to Stoke; meanwhile the pundits have gone quiet and the media draw breath; then the failure of the CL is swept under the carpet replaced by expectations in Europa; and, now suddenly we're back into marque buys with Anderson in the frame. I really think OT is making decisions on the hoof without a plan or policy to save time - indications of panic. It's a house of straw and a lunatic is running riot.
a lot may be going on behind the scenes. Except we are not privy to it. I don't think the Glazers are all that happy with what has happened. But van Gaal seems the least stressed out person. That IS worrying. He may be thinking. How badly must I do before they fire me. I absolutely think Fergie will he back in the frame one way or another. Also the board has been errily silent to all the press speculation. And since have said nothing either.
The key is this. There are an awful lot of angry Manchester United supporters all over the world. They better address their concerns soon with what they are planning to do.
One of the only reasons I can think of for the board sticking by LVG is that Pep hasn't actually committed to joining City yet and we've either been in contact with him or know that he'd be interested in joining in the summer. In such a scenario we obviously wouldn't get Mourinho in as interim and I still think we have a better chance of getting top 4 with LVG than we would with Giggs. I'm also not convinced that the reason he's still here is that we're sticking to the Giggs plan; surely we'd have given Giggs the interim job with a view to it becoming permanent in the summer? That way the board could put all of the blame on LVG and absolve Giggs, promising to back him in the next couple of transfer windows. Maybe it's a bit pie in the sky but I'm starting to think that the Guardiola saga isn't as done and dusted as it appears.
Did you not see him after the Stoke abortion of a performance?
I'm not buying this confidence trick about the players still believing in him. He just wants to justify his defiance to our wishes that he would resign.
@Hammerfell you may well have a valid point.
Did you not see him after the Stoke abortion of a performance?
I'm not buying this confidence trick about the players still believing in him. He just wants to justify his defiance to our wishes that he would resign.
may well be a good playact too. He is a con artist. He would love the sack...and the money of course.
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