But he got a fantastic 0-0 draw at old Trafford. How could we possibly sack him now?
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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You have pointed out a key issue. What do we do if we are out of TOP 4 in the summer and no one is available? I don't have the answer to that of course. I suspect the board may choose the path of least resistance.
I would bring Mourinho too, I don't particularly like him but he can give us the 24-36 months that we need to sort the club out. People are too stuck in the long term concept, to plan on the long term you need to fix the short term.
As for the South American managers I have no idea, I know nothing about the football in this part of the world but they have hundreds of clubs, there has to be one guy who is decent.
exactly. United is his last hoorah. And we have owners who are willing to work with this cretin so long as it achieves their end. Our only hope is Ferguson. He would not be too happy to be blamed for his role in the unravelling of Manchester United. But his options will be limited. At this point we can only hope Giggs does turn out to be an unpolished diamond. Or else wait until the club is sold and then whoever that may be pump the money to buy teh best manager and players. The title until then is quite remote imo.
Nah, moneymen can't think like that, then they wouldn't be "moneymen". They know they have to invest to earn.
I agree. Yes Mourinho has a tendency to fall out with people, but he's successful and that's all that would worry me if i was a United supporter now. United need to get back to winning games and trophies and Mourinho is the man most clubs would turn to do that.
I'd happily see LVG lodged into a retirement home at the minute but I still don't think top 4 is out of the question if we keep him, that's just how bad the other teams are this season. So I think they're waiting as long as possible rather than pay out compensation now.
They all stem from the 'promise', 'if' and 'tomorrow' scenarios. Pundits fall for them every time, like the recent 'resignation' issue. He effects a misuse of words causing clutter but then introduces a key word which he drops like a hand grenade. Those of us versed in LVG speak don't trust a word he says and watch for the buzzwords.
His funniest statements are those to business leaders across Europe which is big money for him and I bet won't stop after he retires. His roadshow is quite sophisticated and his use of language is different again. He teaches them business through his football tactics, which often involves the slow build up and possession being a 9/10's law.
His blame game is quite extensive and there is a trail of damaged players across Europe who cannot abide him. Back at Bayern he played Badstuber as a young defender. But like all young players he broke down with injuries but that didn't stop LVG from blaming him for the loss of team form. He's quite good at attributing blame and in the early days the press are bemused like the famous chart incident after the Palace game last season.
As I have written earlier, the antics are only just beginning - there is a direct correlation between poor football performance and his media games. When it was with Bayern it was boorishly entertaining, different matter with United. Never wanted him and can't wait to see the back of him.
People asking for Pochettino are borderline delusional, as though we will be able to swan in and take him as we wish. He seems a very balanced guy and is on record as saying he wants to build something special with Spurs. They're a far better run club than us at the moment and I can't see why he'd want to trade places.
As for this current mess we find ourselves in, I hope to God that Van Gaal adapts and gets us playing front-foot football.
Under no circumstances do I want Giggs taking the reins. He should be nowhere near the running.
As for this current mess we find ourselves in, I hope to God that Van Gaal adapts and gets us playing front-foot football.
Under no circumstances do I want Giggs taking the reins. He should be nowhere near the running.
Right now the board and Ed I will wager will settle for top 4. And that will keep LVG in the job. That's just the reality of things because any other club would have canned LVG by now. All that 2 game ultimatum BS by the press was simply BS. What everyone didn't expect was how bad LVG could feck things up with is philosophy in year 2. Ed will settle for the bare minimum to get LVG through the 3 years and allow Giggs to succeed.
No, the long-term means (unless you are in a relegation battle) making concerns with the short term a secondary priority ... or else the long-term becomes confused with a merely a series of short-terms that are patched endlessly together.
The long-term includes abandoning fixations with big-names, expensive signings and 'galacticos'. It includes setting to rights the long-term fundamentals: the scouting and player recruitment system, the academy and youth development system, a playing style that fits with the club and its fans (and working to develop this regardless of any short-term set-backs). It includes finding a relatively young manager (and coaching staff) who can be around for the long-haul and are committed to setting to rights the fundamentals.
It wasn't just the press though, I myself along with the majority of fans I know thought he was lucky to even get that long. I make up my own mind, I'm not influenced by the press so now when we're being told how well we played last night etc, I don't buy a word of it.
Absolutely agree with this. If all they see and hear at OT is the crowd supporting LVG, I am not so sure they would take into account general fan sentiments (through sites such as the CAF) as significant and thus should be treated seriously. Further, they are responsible to the shareholders and whether a reckoning will come at the AGM (whenever that is) remains to be seen.
They are businessmen, and probably look at numbers more often than not. I mean its some cognitive dissonance to read about the complaints that fans have then continue to see matchday attendances close to full capacity.
I wonder how many draws and losses it will take for the board to accept that LVG is not the man for the job.
He has tried is best for 18 months, but 6th place is where we are now at. We can't beat teams who are relegation favourites.
In fact, when teams need an easy 3 points and need to work on goal difference, MUFC is the team most will choose to play.
Our current form: DLLLLDDD - relegation form. In fact, relegation candidates are scoring more points than us.
He has tried is best for 18 months, but 6th place is where we are now at. We can't beat teams who are relegation favourites.
In fact, when teams need an easy 3 points and need to work on goal difference, MUFC is the team most will choose to play.
Our current form: DLLLLDDD - relegation form. In fact, relegation candidates are scoring more points than us.
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Yes, we all have eyes and agree that we have been watching and being fed a lot of BS. Think a lot of us are still in disbelief that this guy is still in a job and being arrogant about it.
Yes, we all have eyes and agree that we have been watching and being fed a lot of BS. Think a lot of us are still in disbelief that this guy is still in a job and being arrogant about it.
The way we are playing and being managed I cannot even see us mirroring the first half of the season going forward. If we do however carry on in the same vein we could finish the season on a huge 60 points and score a staggering 44 goals! It is imperative we strengthen in January to improve on this alarming points and goals scored ratio or I do believe we'll be heading to our worst premier league finish ever, even beating the Moyes debacle.
A new manager would give that boost as it does with all teams but additions are also required. If Ed fecks up the January window going after Lewandowski, Muller, Neymar etc whilst keeping the incompetent old duffer in charge it will just be the icing on this steaming hot shit cake. With the window opening on Friday I'm really eager to see how we proceed especially given as van Gaals bogey side visit the thearte of no goals on Saturday.
A new manager would give that boost as it does with all teams but additions are also required. If Ed fecks up the January window going after Lewandowski, Muller, Neymar etc whilst keeping the incompetent old duffer in charge it will just be the icing on this steaming hot shit cake. With the window opening on Friday I'm really eager to see how we proceed especially given as van Gaals bogey side visit the thearte of no goals on Saturday.
My mate has just sent me a tweet with a picture of Ed Woodward and Jose meeting in a Manchester hotel. Don't want to post it as its most likely BS but have we heard anything about Van Gaal's future? I've not been following the Caf since yesterday's game
If that's the players mentality - only play well after they've been slagged off then we're in trouble, if they wanted rid of LvG all they had to was turn up and produce one final performance that they have been 'slagged off' for, then in all likelihood he would have been gone.
For me it was LvG bowing to pressure and actually playing the way he has been encouraged to for months, the only reason though was he was so close to been sacked & not because he wanted to, now he's done it the question is what does he do next? Carrying on, or more likely revert to the old style once he gets himself in the comfort zone again.
It's just scandalous that he has taken the heat off himself to such an extent by producing one decent performance, a performance that screams the question why on earth didn't you have them playing like this all along.
That is why, one would suspect, they will continue their present course of supporting LVG. The more one thinks about this the more BS this all sounds.
For real?
I bet it's that one photo from May when they met in London.
Its an old picture from the summer when there were rumours we were buying Cech.
I disagree a little bit, if you are functioning you can ignore the short term. But when you don't function correctly you need to fix it asap, someone like Mourinho can deal with the short term and the board can focus on the long term.
Also when you are in a competitive environment you can't ignore the short term.
Why are people still falling for that old picture?.
Let's face it none of us have a clue what is going on. It's interesting reading so many posts which tell us why we haven't gone for Mourinho yet, why lvg is still manager etc. The fact is only a select few individuals have the power to decide what happens.
Sure who cares about us anymore? We're just the idiots that turn up week in, week out no matter who we're playing, no matter the weather, no matter what other bills and expenses we have.
If it was their precious sponsors that were making noise that would concern them more, protecting their revenue streams and corporate relationships seems to be far more important than we are.
Because they want to believe.
Lads were stuck with him just worry about us signing a winger in January as I think that's all we can hope for.
How are we stuck with him? We're wealthy enough to do whatever we want. Just look at Chelsea, they sacked a better manager, who had a far bigger contract.
Yeah exactly. He was supposed to have two games to save his job, we ended up with 1 point and 0 goals but apparently it would reflect bad on us to sack him after a draw.
It just worries me that if they haven't sacked LVG it's because they are prepared to let Giggs take over after Louis' contract as run out. But I can see your point. If they were planning to let Giggs have it they would've sacked LVG and given over by now. I hope they aren't stupid enough to appoint Giggs because that's a suicidal gamble.
If we stick with him and win no trophies and just get 4th spot the club (and LVG) will be full of itself for being proved right sticking with him.
You think 1 winger will see us go from draws and losses to wins?
It'll need for more than that my friend.
We're not Chelsea for starters...
It's the first time you actually post something reasonable on here that I can agree with in large part.
The club needs direction and proper management and a long term strategy that will overhaul the way Manchester United work. It cannot be done with only short fixed. We have to decide which way we want to go, it can be big money signings every Summer or buying and producing youth, but it can't be changed every single year. We must employ a strategy. It's unthinkable that such big club could have so little direction.
I'm with you. Giggs is a no go. I can't see us competing with other clubs with top managers with him in charge. I can't even see us attracting top talent.
It's a strange situation. Can't remember the last time a manager has gotten past a crisis stage by getting a 0-0 draw
We are going to end up being 10 points away from top 4 before anything is done about LVG
By the fact he's still the manager, in not saying we couldnt sack him but were clearly not planning on it just yet!
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