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Yes, I don't want him anywhere near the club
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Yes, I don't want him anywhere near the club
Not too sure, actually. I'd initially supported giving LVG until the end of the season and evaluating him then, but it's becoming harder and harder to continue with that idea. At the moment, I'd almost be tempted to go for a Pochettino type option; someone who's perhaps not overly proven as a top level manager (admittedly like Moyes), but who offers something potentially dynamic and exciting for the club and has shown some managerial credentials.
Unai Emery shouldn't be mentioned with the likes of Laudrup, OGS and such. i'd take Emery tomorrow.
That would mean giggs most likely as caretaker (OK by me) but not a popular choice
Giggs till the end of the season, and then get Pochetino (or someone similar), providing that Pep is really going to City and Simeone ain't available.
Yes, I don't want him anywhere near the club
Each to their own, I personally prefer us to win things. But if you like mid-table mediocrity then I guess its a good thing, right?
Not necessarily. I wouldn't have Giggs anywhere near the job. They should be getting Mourinho. If not, why not be taking a stab at Pochettino?
Pep is and always was my number one choice and I won't believe it until I see it (him taking over city). If that's an option it's either giggs of lvg for the remainder. For sheer curiosity on how he would cope it be keen to see giggs get that shot.
Must say though I am also coming around to the idea of Pochettino. Getting him off Levy is another question though
You have your own interpretation of possession football and therefore any deviation from your interpretation you are seeing as a change is philosophy. Possession does not mean non attacking. The issue has been the tempo, speed of passing and movement of players.
Fergie use to mention loads of times when United were poor in his era that the players were playing too slow, they needed to up the tempo. He certainly didn't tell them to play slow.
I am quite sure a lot of yesterday was players wanting to prove a point. There was more movement and the passing was quicker. Martial gained a lot of confidence from beating his man and this continued. Confidence goes a long way to shaping your performance. There was no master plan changes from LVG yesterday, no shackles removed. The only real change was bringing back suspended and injured players and restoring the CB pairing of Blind and Smalling.
Chicken and egg.
You said that the crap football was the tip of the iceberg and then went on to talk about the rest of the iceberg being...the crap football! So I think we are in agreement on that front, we're all sick of the crap football.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the Giggs 'mess'.
Im sick of hearing people say he needs time.
Time for what exactly?
250 million and he has achieved in 18 months far less than Moyes achieved in 12 months.
Give LVG more time for what exactly? How could Giggs be any worse?
We need change, we need instant change, letting LVG stay for another few months is the very worst of all our options.
Time for what exactly?
250 million and he has achieved in 18 months far less than Moyes achieved in 12 months.
Give LVG more time for what exactly? How could Giggs be any worse?
We need change, we need instant change, letting LVG stay for another few months is the very worst of all our options.
Well I don't consider crap football and losing football as the same thing, I guess we just differ a bit in that aspect.
Fair enough.
Totally agree.
Yes, I don't want him anywhere near the club
There is a reason United and the English FA didn't take Clough in his day as well. Probably the same reason they don't want Jose.
Not sure why so many fans have a fixation on Jose, Klopp and Pep when there are a lot of very good established managers out there and also some decent upcoming managers.
Pochettino is my second choice to Pep But he will be impossible to get mid season.
That's not actually true. At AZ for example he was almost out the door before going on to win the Eredivise.
I don't see any comparision with the LVG/Giggs plan and Liverpool/Leeds. Liverpool has managed succession very successfully for over twenty five years until King Kenny couldn't handle the pressure and Leeds imploded under the weight of their own debt. I don't know of any club who attempted to do what we are trying with LVG/Giggs, I don't know if it will work but at least is innovative!
Neither do I. You can lose and play well of course. But as I say we all agree United are playing crap football for too long now.
I would be definitely more cautious. That is not to say keep LvG at all costs. But if there are not a lot of alternatives... (Giggs as an interim for almost half of the season when there is still so much to play for is not an alternative)... And LvG clearly didn't lose the trust of players based on yesterday. So basically I would do what Woodward is doing...play a little waiting game.
To divert this slightly, one thing I'll give LvG is that as sick of him and Giggs as I am, I don't think any manager would get this team scoring enough goals to challenge for anything, we simply don't have enough firepower, something pretty unusual for us.
I agree.
I completely agree. And of course one could argue that LVG is to blame for that in shipping our Chica, RVP, Nani, Wilson and Adanan. I'm just hoping 'the plan' will involve getting some firepower back into the team!
Buy Lukaku. At all costs.
Definitely. Have a look at the link Glaston posted in the Pochettino thread: http://twentyminutereads.com/2015/12/27/the-sheriff/
Would be very happy to see him as our next manager.
He did make a somewhat rabid cull when there was so little coming in up front, I think he put his eggs in the Rooney basket and it's backfired badly with 2 goals in 15 league games. RvP is as done as Rooney IMO and I doubt he'd have stayed without guarantees over starting, and I'm not sure Wilson and Januzaj are ready to add much, but his issues with what Hernandez doesn't offer instead of focusing on the usefulness of what he does offer was stubborn and Nani would be a good option to offer us a different look on the right.
I'm sorry but yesterday was more than just a bit more confidence from the players, it was an entirely different approach, players were running forward, players were taking more chances with their passing, players were allowed to shoot from all over the place, etc, we haven't seen similar since the City game last season.
Why? As one poster said probably because his job was on the line, and if that's true it makes his famed philosophy and what has passed in previous games this season a joke.
If we're talking about continuity, then we should have just stuck with Moyes. We don't want to be like the other clubs sacking their managers when they fail. Moyes would have done an equally impressive job of driving this team into mediocrity after spending 250 million, with much more to be spent in future. Think about that, teams who should be battling relegation out perform United week in, week out.
Could only see the club getting someone off the Redcafe radar.
Im not sure you know what that means.
I don't really like this argument that we don't know who is going to stop the rut, so we would stick with him.
What if no one is available in the summer and we are out of top 4?. Do we still stick with him, because we dont have anyone available to improve on us?.
Do you genuinely believe that there is no one available at the moment who can come in and get us winning against the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth. Its ridiculous to think only Pep/Ancelotti can do it.
Very good read that - thanks.
I'd be very happy if we got him. Sadly, that would make too much sense for Woodward.
Probably because the players have been slagged off for not trying all week so they went out to prove a point. The players of course have their own reputations and sense of shame and I doubt they'll be enjoying this long run.
I personally don't think they came out fighting for the manager (for the 30 odd minutes) and I don't think he's correct in saying the players are with him all the way.
All those things happened, we just disagree on why. We probably will never know, but I am not convinced it was 100% due to LVG.
For example we saw zero difference when Depay came on, he didn't start doing anything different than before. Rooney continued from the Stoke game where we was far more mobile and active. The addition of Schmidfield probably gave the team a lift. Smalling and Blind were re-United and continued complementing each other. So I think it was more about the players. But we won't know for sure.
Correct. As I said earlier, the performance and results should be the only criteria in defining whether he stays or not.
Meant to say we would not get rolled over, just because Chelsea are crap - but the board will see it as progress and keep him on.
I thought when Rooney was asked the question he hesitated momentarily and seemed to be picking his words quite carefully. If anything they were playing for their professional pride rather than LVG himself
I think many have already mentioned it and I'll just reiterate the same. I feel the board are being decisive, but it's just that they are not (atleast, some members of the board) are not keen on getting mourinho. They ignored him the first time (Believe all the quotes of his 'promise' to Abrahmovic all you want, I honestly think he was sure he would get the job), why would they do a U-turn and give in now ? They might have contacted Pep's entourage behind the scenes but probably not got assurances, so they have little choice but to back can Gaal.
Also, as a side note, I think the board are unrealistically thinking that Giggs will be their next Alex Ferguson. They see him as the rightful heir to the club for the next 20-25 years. And they are trying to preserve that image and want to give him an ideal squad to start his tenure with. I maybe completely off, but that maybe another reason, why they are not prepared to sack van gaal and give giggs the interim job for the rest of the season. Also, if Giggs does want the job, I am sure he will want it on a permanent basis.
Also, as a side note, I think the board are unrealistically thinking that Giggs will be their next Alex Ferguson. They see him as the rightful heir to the club for the next 20-25 years. And they are trying to preserve that image and want to give him an ideal squad to start his tenure with. I maybe completely off, but that maybe another reason, why they are not prepared to sack van gaal and give giggs the interim job for the rest of the season. Also, if Giggs does want the job, I am sure he will want it on a permanent basis.
Not least right now, if that's what we're discussing here. Come summer, sure - Levy will no doubt fleece us, but that's to be expected. Poaching him this instant, however, may be impossible. Same goes for several other candidates. Realistically, the alternatives to LVG right now are Giggs (permanent), Giggs (caretaker) or Mourinho.
It's blatantly obvious that he's not going anywhere until at least Saturday.
Our performance was much better yesterday, if we didn't sack him after Norwich or Stoke, there's no chance he's getting sacked after an improved display.
Our performance was much better yesterday, if we didn't sack him after Norwich or Stoke, there's no chance he's getting sacked after an improved display.
If he gets a window to spend in, he's not going until CL is impossible. I'm convinced he's staying now.
What a bizarre month or so.
Ticking over alright, lack of attack, but results ok, then a mini injury crisis, an absolute meltdown, and inevitable he'd be sacked.
Now... he's got this one draw, with a better performance, and it's all seemingly as you were, with not even a slight chance of the sack now, barring losing to Swansea or Sheff Utd.
Funny old season
Ticking over alright, lack of attack, but results ok, then a mini injury crisis, an absolute meltdown, and inevitable he'd be sacked.
Now... he's got this one draw, with a better performance, and it's all seemingly as you were, with not even a slight chance of the sack now, barring losing to Swansea or Sheff Utd.
Funny old season
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