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Stretford End Phil said:
I fear it won't happen now before April and he may well be here next year if he wins a cup. His post match was about Europa and I think the board has backed that plan. Jose, like Clough before him, is probably just too much for any United board. As to the fans criticism, it's probably being treated as a noisy rabble, I fear the blinkers are on. Making Rooney MOTM suggests OT has been pulling strings to shift the media spotlight.

I expect the questions over LVG will now shift to the transfer market. We may well buy in January and this will distract fans attention. The old game of give a dog a bone. Cynical but I expect a couple of buys that will distract attention long enough to see LVG through the season.

As to today's performance, the first half initially looked good but there were pointers that Chelsea could unlock us. That gaping gap in the middle occurred again, this time with Morgan and Basti shadowing each other rather than taking up different tactical positions - one offensive, one defensive. We did make chances in both halves and we were unlucky not to get a goal. But second half, it looked as if the show was over as we retreated back to type. Chelsea were allowed back in the game and we committed some brazenly stupid moves - Rooney should have received a red. By the last 20 minutes it was pretty mediocre and we limped home to a draw which suited Chelsea.

IMO those last 20 tell us most about the team that LVG has built.
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I think it was evident that schmidfield had tired mid second half, Chelsea brought Ramirez on to double up on Martial nullifying our main threat. On top of that Mata and Blind tired so there was less movement.

Chelsea could have won through Matic, when we lost defensive shape when attacking, but Herrera and Rooney could also have won it for us.

I feel one or two more quality players and we will have a squad capable of being far more attacking.

Never had any doubt he will stay till the end of his contract. Too many caftards get hung up on the media, wanting him out is one thing, but getting taken in by media reports is quite amusing.

He has got a long way to go to win over the fans and ex-players. Maybe he will never win over some fans, I know many reds who disliked Fergie immensely. I wonder if any ex-players would change their views if they attended a players coaching session
 
Loon said:
I think you've nailed it here. I would love the ultimate twist to be Guardiola walking in the door in the summer.
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I don't Pep think will join us. We will get to summer only to find few options, which will suit this board. As has been said elsewhere, there is no joined up football-corporate decision making at OT. Not having options will save the board from making uncomfortable decisions, it avoids someone losing face over 2 poor managerial selections, and shifts attention away from the shambles of the post-Fergie succession.
 
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spwd said:
That's fair enough but we're getting worse so I just can't see him getting top4 no matter who he brings in.

I don't think his buys have been particularly bad either, ADM obviously used us for a year and you can't really blame lvg for that but it's his random selection and subs and the thinning of the squad that's screwed us along with his tactics and stubbornness to change.

I just think anyone, even Giggs until the end of the season would give the team a boost it needs, or Mourinho now if we know pep is city bound.

They tried tonight for a while at least so I think they can pick themselves up but I think it would be better under someone else.
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I agree with you that we would be alot better with someone else, but you know and I know LVG will stay until it's mathamaticaly impossible to get 4th.

How much different would our season be if Luke Shaw never got injured?
 
RedTiger said:
I agree with you that we would be alot better with someone else, but you know and I know LVG will stay until it's mathamaticaly impossible to get 4th.

How much different would our season be if Luke Shaw never got injured?
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Yeah I agree Shaws injury really damaged us but he could have gone the same way as Martial, started great then seemed to be coached out of it, unfortunately we'll never know.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
If that is correct, that is a very unhealthy situation. Never thought i would witness LVG losing faith in himself. Bloody hell, that United hot seat is one hell of a job.
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Exactly. You would think that the supposed big ego of LVG would be able to take this on stride. Maybe SAF is really not human.
 
LARulz said:
No real reason, just thinks he should be given time to turn it around.

He also just said the majority of fans are still behind Van Gaal. I'm very confused by his comments
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Maybe Fergie's had a word with his old boys.
 
I can't believe Van Gaal hasn't yet been fired despite literally never, ever winning a game or scoring a goal, and causing internet posters everywhere to self-combust in fits of anger. What makes it worse is that his record of 0 wins in the last 834 games, and 131 goal-less draws in a row isn't enough for us to turn to a manager we've passed on at least once already and whose style is in complete paradox to the outlook of the board. I find that so metaphorically incomprehensible, I may literally beat Ed Woodward to death with my keyboard. The fact that the Glazers have failed to yield to the will of the combined wisdom of caf posters and internet warriors everywhere, clearly, without any semblance of a doubt, indicates that this multi-billion pound company is being run by utter buffoons who have no interest or knowledge of football. They probably don't even know where Manchester is. I, for one, would much rather dispense with all this rational, due process bullshit and instead heed the sage council of angry 14 year old keyboard warriors from India, by telling Louis to feck off to his face and slapping him on the way out just so he understands that he's a cnut. Top it off by spending 185 million for Neymar in January, plus Ronaldo, because well...Ronaldo. Instead Woodie will probably buy some mid-table donkey because we are a mid-table club now and announce a branded heavy-flow tampon partner for good measure and keep the money rolling in for the soul-less leeches who own our club. Until he and LVG literally go to Portugal and feck each other's faces, we are doomed to becoming an even worse version of 90's Liverpool, who will be laughing in our faces as they now have the greatest manager in the universe. And despite never going to any of the games and living in a foreign country, I am enraged that we the fans pay the massive wages of our shit cnut useless players who couldn't even get in Stokes' team, while Fergie laughs from his Ivory Tower and talks about the "united Way". Gary Neville>Giggs. Pep to City, world domination for the blues. I hate Rooney.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
Why does Rooney get MOTM when DeGea, Martial, and Ander had much better games? It's corporate bollox and the football community slapping each other on the back. Even MOTD gave them a pass - so much for professional pundits.
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I agree, just not sure it's a conspiracy as such, more a weird loyalty to England's captain, for whatever reason.
 
Someone said:
He isn't leaving, the board need to make sure that we can't mathematically make top 4 first.
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Agree. Not sure why many of the fans can't see this. This was the same yardstick for Moyes. I am assuming it would be the same for LVG.
 
simonhch said:
can't believe Van Gaal hasn't yet been fired despite literally never, ever winning a game or scoring a goal, and causing internet posters everywhere to self-combust in fits of anger. What makes it worse is that his record of 0 wins in the last 834 games, and 131 goal-less draws in a row isn't enough for us to turn to a manager we've passed on at least once already and whose style is in complete paradox to the outlook of the board. I find that so metaphorically incomprehensible, I may literally beat Ed Woodward to death with my keyboard. The fact that the Glazers have failed to yield to the will of the combined wisdom of caf posters and internet warriors everywhere, clearly, without any semblance of a doubt, indicates that this multi-billion pound company is being run by utter buffoons who have no interest or knowledge of football. They probably don't even know where Manchester is. I, for one, would much rather dispense with all this rational, due process bullshit and instead heed the sage council of angry 14 year old keyboard warriors from India, by telling Louis to feck off to his face and slapping him on the way out just so he understands that he's a cnut. Top it off by spending 185 million for Neymar in January, plus Ronaldo, because well...Ronaldo. Instead Woodie will probably buy some mid-table donkey because we are a mid-table club now and announce a branded heavy-flow tampon partner for good measure and keep the money rolling in for the soul-less leeches who own our club. Until he and LVG literally go to Portugal and feck each other's faces, we are doomed to becoming an even worse version of 90's Liverpool, who will be laughing in our faces as they now have the greatest manager in the universe. And despite never going to any of the games and living in a foreign country, I am enraged that we the fans pay the massive wages of our shit cnut useless players who couldn't even get in Stokes' team, while Fergie laughs from his Ivory Tower and talks about the "united Way". Gary Neville>Giggs. Pep to City, world domination for the blues. I hate Rooney.
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Put that bottle down, you've had enough wine for one night
 
RedPnutz said:
Agree. Not sure why many of the fans can't see this. This was the same yardstick for Moyes. I am assuming it would be the same for LVG.
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But with Moyes it would have been a five year payout if they sacked him early. This is a different scenario, I don't think they'd worry about a year and a half worth of a salary if they thought it would help improve the chance of getting top four. Or I hope they wouldn't
 
mattsville said:
DDG is THE reason we have kept so many clean sheets, Smalling has been good also, next followed by the negative risk free football at the expense of us actually looking like a Manchester United team, lots of teams have got one on one opportunities in many of our clean sheet games, often better goal scoring opportunities than we created in the same games, he saved us, that is fine when you are going for it trying to win games and committing players forward, but we are not, we are now conceding goals regular, chelsea were shite today, they had no centre forwards yet DDG made 3 great saves. Blind is never a centre half capable of meaningful contribution to winning things for Machester United in the PL, ever, he is a good squad player.
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I disagree with much of that but it's fine, not really bothered to go in circles today.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
I don't think will join us. We will get to summer only to find few options, which will suit this board. As has been said elsewhere, there is no joined up football-corporate decision making at OT. Not having options will save the board from making uncomfortable decisions, it avoids someone losing face over 2 poor managerial selections, and shifts attention away from the shambles of the post-Fergie succession.
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How much of that succession planning was Fergie induced. If I had built an empire the two things I would want go leave behind is a strong empire and a competent successor. Really surprised that this didn't happen. We may have been champions but we had extremely old or young squad players, so were not in a good position. Add to that not having a No. 2 who could takeover made things awkward, as it meant someone coming in would likely change the backroom staff and change the whole culture on which the empire was built.
 
Whether it's luck or whatever, he is fortunate that this season has been so inconsistent, I'd say that's probably why his job is secure right now. Another season, United could have been 12-15 pts behind by now, but despite a horrid December, it's quite possible United will still just be 9pts off the top tomorrow(if Leceister lose, which they probably will), and I guess if you're the United board, that doesn't look too bad.
 
sammsky1 said:
How well connected is mark Ogden. He just did a radio interview with a chap called Philip de bruin with some interesting opinions : ( I don't know how to do the Twitter copy paste so just pasted all the tweets below:


In relation to Utd's transfer business in January, Mark has been told the priority is a Left Back. That's all Mark is aware off...

It appears LVG is surviving on a game by game basis, Woodward believes in him but many inside the club don't...

The belief is that Woodward's loyalty to LVG is partly down to concern over his own job & not wanting to admit he got it wrong...

Woodward's job is not under threat, he's loved by the Glazers, seen as the 5th one of the family regardless of what happens with LVG...

It's accepted within the club that EW lacks football knowledge & doesn't recognize the signs of when players stop playing for their manager.

Woodwards view of the CO92 is kids throwing stones at the window, they make it uncomfortable for him, Richard Arnold, LVG etc. Woodward's distrust of the class of 92 is part of the reason why he's reluctant to give the job to Ryan Giggs. The feeling is, if Woodward gives the job to Giggs then he is conceding power of the club to the Fergie and the Class of 92.

It appears United don't want to give the job to Mourinho and it's unlikely he will get it.
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Woodward is an even bigger problem than LVG.
 
How well connected is mark Ogden. He just did a radio interview with a chap called Philip de bruin with some interesting opinions : ( I don't know how to do the Twitter copy paste so just pasted all the tweets below:


  • In relation to Utd's transfer business in January, Mark has been told the priority is a Left Back. That's all Mark is aware off...
  • It appears LVG is surviving on a game by game basis, Woodward believes in him but many inside the club don't...
  • The belief is that Woodward's loyalty to LVG is partly down to concern over his own job & not wanting to admit he got it wrong...
  • Woodward's job is not under threat, he's loved by the Glazers, seen as the 5th one of the family regardless of what happens with LVG..
  • It's accepted within the club that EW lacks football knowledge & doesn't recognize the signs of when players stop playing for their manager.
  • Woodwards view of the CO92 is kids throwing stones at the window, they make it uncomfortable for him, Richard Arnold, LVG etc. Woodward's distrust of the class of 92 is part of the reason why he's reluctant to give the job to Ryan Giggs. The feeling is, if Woodward gives the job to Giggs then he is conceding power of the club to Fergie and the Class of 92.
  • It appears United don't want to give the job to Mourinho and it's unlikely he will get it

Certainly explains a lot of what has been happening whether you agree with it or not! A lot to do with inter club politics and Woodward securing the key levers of power
 
Ogden is contradicting himself then. He said on talkSPORT we also want a striker. It also doesn't make sense that Woodward fears for his own job if he's loved by the Glazers and his job isn't under threat. He also said on talkSPORT Woodward and Joel Glazer talk daily. So what is there for Woodward to fear?

I'm really not sure how well connected Ogden is nowadays.
 
Ryan7 said:
Ogden is contradicting himself then. He said on talkSPORT we also want a striker. It also doesn't make sense that Woodward fears for his own job if he's loved by the Glazers and his job isn't under threat. He also said on talkSPORT Woodward and Joel Glazer talk daily. So what is there for Woodward to fear?

I'm really not sure how well connected Ogden is nowadays.
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Dunno mate, I'm just the copy paste message boy
 
ivaldo said:
Our tactics and selection was spot on today, we hit the woodwork twice, was denied a clear penalty, Rooney missed an absolute sitter and Courtois saved point blank to deny Herrera. By all means criticize Van Gaal for his management for the season overall but individually for this game? Nah.
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Chelsea were well beatable but the game could've gone either way, against a poor Chelsea side. Sure they may have raised their game against us, but the game was there for taking and who does LVG bring on? Phil Jones.
No one else on the bench that could've made an attacking impact? Well whose fault is that too?
 
simonhch said:
I can't believe Van Gaal hasn't yet been fired despite literally never, ever winning a game or scoring a goal, and causing internet posters everywhere to self-combust in fits of anger. What makes it worse is that his record of 0 wins in the last 834 games, and 131 goal-less draws in a row isn't enough for us to turn to a manager we've passed on at least once already and whose style is in complete paradox to the outlook of the board. I find that so metaphorically incomprehensible, I may literally beat Ed Woodward to death with my keyboard. The fact that the Glazers have failed to yield to the will of the combined wisdom of caf posters and internet warriors everywhere, clearly, without any semblance of a doubt, indicates that this multi-billion pound company is being run by utter buffoons who have no interest or knowledge of football. They probably don't even know where Manchester is. I, for one, would much rather dispense with all this rational, due process bullshit and instead heed the sage council of angry 14 year old keyboard warriors from India, by telling Louis to feck off to his face and slapping him on the way out just so he understands that he's a cnut. Top it off by spending 185 million for Neymar in January, plus Ronaldo, because well...Ronaldo. Instead Woodie will probably buy some mid-table donkey because we are a mid-table club now and announce a branded heavy-flow tampon partner for good measure and keep the money rolling in for the soul-less leeches who own our club. Until he and LVG literally go to Portugal and feck each other's faces, we are doomed to becoming an even worse version of 90's Liverpool, who will be laughing in our faces as they now have the greatest manager in the universe. And despite never going to any of the games and living in a foreign country, I am enraged that we the fans pay the massive wages of our shit cnut useless players who couldn't even get in Stokes' team, while Fergie laughs from his Ivory Tower and talks about the "united Way". Gary Neville>Giggs. Pep to City, world domination for the blues. I hate Rooney.
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You almost had me...
 
VeevaVee said:
Chelsea were well beatable but the game could've gone either way, against a poor Chelsea side. Sure they may have raised their game against us, but the game was there for taking and who does LVG bring on? Phil Jones.
No one else on the bench that could've made an attacking impact? Well whose fault is that too?
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Blind was noticeably fecked and Chelsea still looked dangerous on the counter, not a hard one to figure out.
 
sammsky1 said:
Well a lot of that makes sense to me. Sacking LVG is more than just his failure but also has corporate politics issues too
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sammsky1 said:
  • The belief is that Woodward's loyalty to LVG is partly down to concern over his own job & not wanting to admit he got it wrong...

  • Woodward's job is not under threat, he's loved by the Glazers, seen as the 5th one of the family regardless of what happens with LVG..
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Totally makes sense...
 
sammsky1 said:
Dunno mate, I'm just the copy paste message boy
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My question was rhetorical. :) Thanks for posting what he said. Ogden really appears to be out of the loop since Van Gaal took charge. He was probably the most reliable at one time.
 
ivaldo said:
Blind was noticeably fecked and Chelsea still looked dangerous on the counter, not a hard one to figure out.
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I can accept that, but we should able to bring someone in that can actually do something too. If Darmian couldn't play the full 90 he shouldn't have been playing this game, which would've freed up another substitution to actually affect the game. Except we don't have anyone on the bench that can provide an impact.
 
sammsky1 said:
How well connected is mark Ogden. He just did a radio interview with a chap called Philip de bruin with some interesting opinions : ( I don't know how to do the Twitter copy paste so just pasted all the tweets below:


  • In relation to Utd's transfer business in January, Mark has been told the priority is a Left Back. That's all Mark is aware off...
  • It appears LVG is surviving on a game by game basis, Woodward believes in him but many inside the club don't...
  • The belief is that Woodward's loyalty to LVG is partly down to concern over his own job & not wanting to admit he got it wrong...
  • Woodward's job is not under threat, he's loved by the Glazers, seen as the 5th one of the family regardless of what happens with LVG..
  • It's accepted within the club that EW lacks football knowledge & doesn't recognize the signs of when players stop playing for their manager.
  • Woodwards view of the CO92 is kids throwing stones at the window, they make it uncomfortable for him, Richard Arnold, LVG etc. Woodward's distrust of the class of 92 is part of the reason why he's reluctant to give the job to Ryan Giggs. The feeling is, if Woodward gives the job to Giggs then he is conceding power of the club to Fergie and the Class of 92.
  • It appears United don't want to give the job to Mourinho and it's unlikely he will get it
Certainly explains a lot of what has been happening whether you agree with it or not! A lot to do with inter club politics and Woodward securing the key levers of power
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Think it is more a case of Ogden reading fans forums that getting that info from United. I mean who is going to know Woody fears for his job if LVG doesn't work out, that he has an issue with class of 92 as though they have any say or influence. In addition with a transfer window about to open why would a manager be on a game by game basis. It just doesnt add up, just like the United begged LVG to stay for Chelsea. Loads of ITK BS imo.
 
Actually, I just remembered another contradiction from Ogden. He also said on talkSPORT the decision on Van Gaal's future is down to two people, Woodward and Joel Glazer, so in regards to belief in LVG 'many inside the club don't' makes no sense. Ogden is sounding like a Twitter ITK with all these contradictions.
 
RedPnutz said:
When the CAF is on rampage the messengers are shot, too.

But what you have posted is indeed interesting. So many stakeholders involved.
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My question wasn't aimed at sammsky1. It was rhetorical.
 
VeevaVee said:
I can accept that, but we should able to bring someone in that can actually do something too. If Darmian couldn't play the full 90 he shouldn't have been playing this game, which would've freed up another substitution to actually affect the game. Except we don't have anyone on the bench that can provide an impact.
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Thought CBJ had an impact, put in the best cross of the day. In all seriousness the subs were obvious for different reasons. Shame Depay can not duplicate Martials threat.
 
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